Christian Hackenberg- Time repeats itself

[NYJETSDAN16]

First off, let me start off by stating that i am not comparing the overall body of these two players in which i will divulge in. I will be comparing where Hackenberg is RIGHT NOW alongside where this other QB was when he began.


Many of you already know where i'am going with this, but give it a minute, it might just actually pan out.


In 1993, the Two top hot QBs coming out of College were:

1-Drew Bledsoe

2- Rick Mirer


The rest were:


3-Billy Joe Hobert

4-Mark Brunell

5-Gino Torretta

6-Alex Van Pelt

7-Elvis GrBac

8-Trent Green


Th Green Bay Packers were in a huge youth movement with new head coach Mike Holmgren. Their GM Ron Wolf was just trying to make a name for himself. As we all know he traded for Brett Favre from Atlanta for a 1st rounder. Meaning, he had so much trust in Brett, that he was willing to sacrifice getting Drew Bledsoe or a highly Touted Rick Mirer. He took that shot.


Brett was Horrible in his short stint with Atlanta. He wasnt that great in the '92 preseason as he was very raw. Some of you Jets historians remember the pre-season game the Jets had at Wisconsin led by Browning Nagle as he out performed Favre in every facet. I kid you not, Favre looked every bit like Christian Hackenberg. Erratic at best.



The obvious choice for Holmgren was to start Don Majikowski week one as Todd is doing with Josh McCown. The head coach will not take a chance like a GM would in the off season this early as they're :

a)Trying to salvage the season

b) Save their jobs by keeping the locker room competetive

c) Lastly, allowing the raw talent of the back up QB to speed up his process by soaking up every thing he's witnessing.


Now what i'am about to say may ruffle some feathers,

Week one occurred for Green Bay, As we all know the Majik man was very fragile (as is McCown). Enter Favre. Yes he was raw, but there was something different about him that we might see from Hack when given the opportunity.

THE GAME MATTERED !



No more OTA's....No More Mini-Camps- No More Training Camps...NO MORE FAKE GAMES.


This was where he had to place it all together and make it work. To tell you the truth, Brett wasnt all that good in that game, but when the chips were down, he won the game and it propelled that organization to realize they made the right choice.

The parallel that i'am drawing up here is that No fan, No media and the league thought Brett Favre was any good to merit a trade for a 1st rounder. Kind of how OUR FANS, OUR MEDIA and every one around the league feels the way about Christian as a starter for our Franchise.


Only time will tell if he can seize the moment as Favre did when he finally had the opportunity of a life time.

 

[NewMFS62]

Big difference, when Brett got into a game, he knew how to break a huddle. Hack is as clueless as the coach who would be starting him.
Later

 

[butterscotch]

The problem is lightning does not strike the same place twice in a 100 years:global (37)::global (37):

 

[Mainejet]

Sorry to piss on your parade, Dan, but Hack is complete sh*t and I am 100% comfortable saying that he will go down as possibly the Jets very worst 2nd round draft choice in franchise history and that's actually saying something considering how bad the Jets have been at selecting players in the 2nd round.

Regardless, of how Mac pans out as GM, this colossal blunder will follow him wherever he goes?

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

The difference is everyone thought Favre had talent and nobody thinks that about Hack. He can throw hard, but so can a lot of QB's.

 

[lounap23]

The difference is everyone thought Favre had talent and nobody thinks that about Hack. He can throw hard, but so can a lot of QB's.

I do not believe Hack will amount to anything.... But Hack does have a lot of talent. But talent alone doesn't get you anything in the NFL.. He is missing that certain something..... His football IQ is great off the field... Not so much on it.

 

[jetgreen13]

actually, petty is the one that earned the chance to be one snap away from getting his shot..

hell, i think he earned the the right to already be the week one starter.....

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

actually, petty is the one that earned the chance to be one snap away from getting his shot..

hell, i think he earned the the right to already be the week one starter.....

Me too.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

I'm on board with Bryce being the back up (even the starter for that matter). Though with Hackenberg and many other QBs, we really won't know how he really stacks until he gets into a real meaningful game.

Just feel too early to give up on the kid.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Sorry to piss on your parade, Dan, but Hack is complete sh*t and I am 100% comfortable saying that he will go down as possibly the Jets very worst 2nd round draft choice in franchise history and that's actually saying something considering how bad the Jets have been at selecting players in the 2nd round.

Regardless, of how Mac pans out as GM, this colossal blunder will follow him wherever he goes?

Quite possibly Maine, now, I am not stating in any fashion that Hack is the Jets woeful answer at QB though,
but there are some things i just want to point out:

The fans see the silver lining as the team embarks on this years predicted season that we will tank just because we will have a shot at the top 3-4 big QBs coming out in 2018 for the NFL draft.
The only thing is, they are as unknown as Chrisitian is at this very moment.


We can debate "upside" all we want. The truth of the matter is that no one, you, i or even the NFL scout pundits know how Hackenberg will fair once he is given his shot.
With that being stated, i know what will be the response of many:

"He sucked in pre-season"
"He is trash, he showed nothing in his limited time"
"Hack aint the answer or he would be starting"

Though had he'd shown something, the Browning Nagle effect would have been in full swing:

"It was only pre-season"
"The defenses he played against was vanilla"
"The team forced him to be the starter"


To me, it actually behooves the organization to allow this kid to be developed the right way just as they are doing. Instead of drafting a top 3-4 QB, rush him into action as many teams do, then call that certain QB "a disappointment" which equates to " the Jets never get it right".

The fact of the matter is that there will be immense intrigue the moment he steps unto the field for his first live action. Every Jets fan, no matter if he is disliked will have their fingers crossed wishing that hopefully he is the answer when the bullets fly for real.


Lets call it for what it is, for more than 2 decades, the Jets have one common denominator: The organization has had no patience to groom a QB and surround him with the right coaches and players in a long time. The last time the green and white did things the right way was with Chad Pennington, there is no denying that. He sat for 2 years. They surrounded him with Lavereous Coles, Santana Moss, Anthony Becht, Wayne Chrebet and an excellent O-Line the moment he took over in 2002.

Though then as the cyclic BS of this franchise goes, the GM wanted to save a couple a $$$ and started to allow teams to raid the squad of what was helping Chad grow.



Lets see how this unfolds before we chuck Hack in the trash. It would be better if this kid gets it together, shows promise on which he can build off of. Then in the 2018 draft we can acquire players at other positions within the offense to help him through the process instead of hitting that proverbial reset button that we all know too well.

 

[jetgreen13]

Quite possibly Maine, now, I am not stating in any fashion that Hack is the Jets woeful answer at QB though,
but there are some things i just want to point out:

The fans see the silver lining as the team embarks on this years predicted season that we will tank just because we will have a shot at the top 3-4 big QBs coming out in 2018 for the NFL draft.
The only thing is, they are as unknown as Chrisitian is at this very moment.


We can debate "upside" all we want. The truth of the matter is that no one, you, i or even the NFL scout pundits know how Hackenberg will fair once he is given his shot.
With that being stated, i know what will be the response of many:

"He sucked in pre-season"
"He is trash, he showed nothing in his limited time"
"Hack aint the answer or he would be starting"

Though had he'd shown something, the Browning Nagle effect would have been in full swing:

"It was only pre-season"
"The defenses he played against was vanilla"
"The team forced him to be the starter"


To me, it actually behooves the organization to allow this kid to be developed the right way just as they are doing. Instead of drafting a top 3-4 QB, rush him into action as many teams do, then call that certain QB "a disappointment" which equates to " the Jets never get it right".

The fact of the matter is that there will be immense intrigue the moment he steps unto the field for his first live action. Every Jets fan, no matter if he is disliked will have their fingers crossed wishing that hopefully he is the answer when the bullets fly for real.


Lets call it for what it is, for more than 2 decades, the Jets have one common denominator: The organization has had no patience to groom a QB and surround him with the right coaches and players in a long time. The last time the green and white did things the right way was with Chad Pennington, there is no denying that. He sat for 2 years. They surrounded him with Lavereous Coles, Santana Moss, Anthony Becht, Wayne Chrebet and an excellent O-Line the moment he took over in 2002.

Though then as the cyclic BS of this franchise goes, the GM wanted to save a couple a $$$ and started to allow teams to raid the squad of what was helping Chad grow.



Lets see how this unfolds before we chuck Hack in the trash. It would be better if this kid gets it together, shows promise on which he can build off of. Then in the 2018 draft we can acquire players at other positions within the offense to help him through the process instead of hitting that proverbial reset button that we all know too well.

well, you may still get your wish..

bowles is reinventing the wheel (again) with ass backward coaching "strategy.."

at some point before tomorrow's kick off, someone (my guess is either petty or hackenberg but who the hell knows with this guy) will be named the backup QB..

i also guess we'll find out our starting OL before kick off as well.....

LOLz how is buffalo's coaching staff going to get any sleep tonight??

 

[NewMFS62]

Lets see how this unfolds before we chuck Hack in the trash. It would be better if this kid gets it together, shows promise on which he can build off of. Then in the 2018 draft we can acquire players at other positions within the offense to help him through the process instead of hitting that proverbial reset button that we all know too well.

I like that thinking of hoping we already have a good quarterback of the future and build other positions going forward.
But I think if anyone gets it together it will be Petty rather than Hack
You can make lemonade when someone gives you lemons, but you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
Later

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

I like that thinking of hoping we already have a good quarterback of the future and build other positions going forward.
But I think if anyone gets it together it will be Petty rather than Hack
You can make lemonade when someone gives you lemons, but you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
Later

But chicken nuggets are made out of pollo poop

 

[gastineau]

Hmmm you sure that Hackenburg will be the next Bret Farve? Really? LMFAO First I never ever liked Farve who just turned his head and threw it up for grabs with his strong arm. Couldnt stand Farve coming to our Jets & I was pissed about it. Farve was arrogant snob full of himself jerk and dont forget laying down running towards Strayhand for the sack record over Gastineau. Some Cinderella story of how Hackenburg will become Bret Farve is just tooo silly for me. lol

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Hmmm you sure that Hackenburg will be the next Bret Farve? Really? LMFAO First I never ever liked Farve who just turned his head and threw it up for grabs with his strong arm. Couldnt stand Farve coming to our Jets & I was pissed about it. Farve was arrogant snob full of himself jerk and dont forget laying down running towards Strayhand for the sack record over Gastineau. Some Cinderella story of how Hackenburg will become Bret Farve is just tooo silly for me. lol

No my dude,

As i stated in the original post, not comparing the overall body of work of Brett. Just the fact on how he was frowned upon when Wolf traded for him. Just like Hack is being labeled as a "bust" and he hasnt even taken one snap yet. That to me is ridiculous. Why not wait to see how he develops this year before we all become so judgemental on the kid.

 

[jets82]

No my dude,

As i stated in the original post, not comparing the overall body of work of Brett. Just the fact on how he was frowned upon when Wolf traded for him. Just like Hack is being labeled as a "bust" and he hasnt even taken one snap yet. That to me is ridiculous. Why not wait to see how he develops this year before we all become so judgemental on the kid.

I hear you and would normally agree but there are a few issues here. He sat a full year, so he should have been ready to compete and win the job. Second a more important problem, look at who his competition is, Petty and McCown!!! If he can't beat them out then there is a problem. It's not like he's playing behind a older established vet QB like Eli Manning, Dreez Breez or Phillip Rivers. He's not playing behind above average younger QBs like a Alex Smith or Andy Dalton. This is McCown and Petty we're talking about and if he can't beat them out, that should be all that we need to know. I was truly hoping Hack would have started the entire season and been our answer and still hold out alittle hope but I think it's time to face facts.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I hear you and would normally agree but there are a few issues here. He sat a full year, so he should have been ready to compete and win the job. Second a more important problem, look at who his competition is, Petty and McCown!!! If he can't beat them out then there is a problem. It's not like he's playing behind a older established vet QB like Eli Manning, Dreez Breez or Phillip Rivers. He's not playing behind above average younger QBs like a Alex Smith or Andy Dalton. This is McCown and Petty we're talking about and if he can't beat them out, that should be all that we need to know. I was truly hoping Hack would have started the entire season and been our answer and still hold out alittle hope but I think it's time to face facts.

Why do you hate Petty so much?? It can't be because he didn't succeed last year with that toxic, dumpster fire. He came from a one read, no huddle, shotgun offense. He has seemingly grasped the offense better than Hack. He is smart. He is a leader IMO. He has plenty of arm talent. He is mobile. McCown we can agree on should never throw another ball for the Jets. He will be starter next week I'm sure, but the fans in NY week 3 need to let the franchise hear that we want Petty or Hack going forward. To me Petty is the most ready young QB we have to start. Maybe by end of season if Petty shows nothing then Hack should start.

 

[maxmet]

randomly spoke with a guy who was in the penn state program

he said that freshman year, Hack had freedom to audible, adjust at the line and did it well

soph year under franklin Hack was required to run the play. Told dont audible, dont look to the sideline for us to change the play. He had to run the play even when the defense didnt fit. Disaster.

I found this interesting - although there is a bunch of subsequent experience

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

randomly spoke with a guy who was in the penn state program

he said that freshman year, Hack had freedom to audible, adjust at the line and did it well

soph year under franklin Hack was required to run the play. Told dont audible, dont look to the sideline for us to change the play. He had to run the play even when the defense didnt fit. Disaster.

I found this interesting - although there is a bunch of subsequent experience

Great stuff man.


I'am sincerely torn with all of this. I truly want Hack to be the guy when he's finally given the chance. It just seems the media and majority of the fan base have already labeled him a bust and that there is no hope for the guy based on 4 pre-season games.

This is where i feel Bowles is placing himself perfectly in Gallos of whats to come: The snaps he's giving McCown are meaningless. Just as the snaps given to Ryan FItzpatrick last year when the season was on the line and Ryan proved he wasn't getting it done, should have given the reigns to Bryce Petty to evaluate accordingly.


To me it actually seems like the organization has positioned themselves wonderfully to "Tank" and not evaluate absolutely nothing. Complete abberation for the 2017 season. That to a die hard Jets fan is very difficult to swallow.

 

[jetgreen13]

Great stuff man.


I'am sincerely torn with all of this. I truly want Hack to be the guy when he's finally given the chance. It just seems the media and majority of the fan base have already labeled him a bust and that there is no hope for the guy based on 4 pre-season games.

This is where i feel Bowles is placing himself perfectly in Gallos of whats to come: The snaps he's giving McCown are meaningless. Just as the snaps given to Ryan FItzpatrick last year when the season was on the line and Ryan proved he wasn't getting it done, should have given the reigns to Bryce Petty to evaluate accordingly.


To me it actually seems like the organization has positioned themselves wonderfully to "Tank" and not evaluate absolutely nothing. Complete abberation for the 2017 season. That to a die hard Jets fan is very difficult to swallow.

what drives me nuts is the HC does not report to the GM & clearly both have different agendas.. that, & the owner's brother apparently has zero interest in giving the fan base any idea on what his thinking is on overseeing the organization..