Rumors heating up that we will be trading down
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If the Jets trade down and give up an opportunity to draft one of the consensus three best players in the draft; Q, Bosa or Allen, it better be because they are making a lopsided deal in their favor. Let me be specific, last year we moved up from 6 to 3 for Darnold and traded what ultimately turned out to be 900 more value points than the draft trade value chart dictates. That was a terrific haul for the Colts. 900 VP's is what I would call a lopsided deal with the Colts making a killing, and thats what I expect in return if the Jets are trading away an opportunity to draft one of the consensus three ELITE players in this draft. If they are swapping 3 and 4 with the Raiders and still getting one of the elite players because the Cards took Murray #1, that would be the lone exception for me. I still want something above chart value, like their 2nd RD Pick, but that's only about 100 VP's over chart value, so it's not making a killing but in that case I can live with it because we are still drafting one of the three consensus elites (not counting Murray or Haskins). But if we are taking ourselves OUT of the elite prospects derby, then we better be making a killing or just make the pick and don't trade down.
Example: If the Giants want to move up from 6 to 3 for a QB, the exact same trade we made last year, I want BOTH of their 1st RD Picks, #6 and #17, and EVEN THAT would be nearly 3X less than the 900 VP's we gave the Colts above chart value. Actually it would be 350 VP's above chart value and thats a trade I can make because at least we still have the #6 Pick and +350 VP's is a nice haul, but considering what we traded just last year to make the EXACT SAME TRADE for the EXACT SAME REASON, I don't think it's unreasonable to demand the Giants two #1's ... or no deal.
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Lol, wow so many rumors and things going on before the draft but this is the draft and this the natural order of things. The monopoly game is on and and we have the next move. Hopefully we will have someone at checkmate with a trade, if the Jets are going to actually trade the #3 pick. The Cardinals could play the monopoly game also but why? The QB they drafted last year they don’t really seem to want and there is a rookie QB there they seem to want. If they don’t go the QB route then they can use Q. Williams, Bosa or Allen just as bad, so trading down doesn’t seem smart for them.
The 49ers it doesn’t seem start to trade down either. They don’t need a QB but they do need interior and exterior pass rush help. So Bosa, Q. Williams and Allen can work for them also. For us, trading down is more of an option but how can you pass up on either of these two D-ends and edge rusher/LB as bad as we need one? Not so simple to do but the Jets also have needs at oline, #1 WR, cornerback and RB. Yes we signed L. Bell but we need a back that can take that pressure off Bell and McQuire ain’t it. Powell may not even be a Jet by the time the season starts.
Decisions-decisions!!!
The 49ers it doesn’t seem start to trade down either. They don’t need a QB but they do need interior and exterior pass rush help. So Bosa, Q. Williams and Allen can work for them also. For us, trading down is more of an option but how can you pass up on either of these two D-ends and edge rusher/LB as bad as we need one? Not so simple to do but the Jets also have needs at oline, #1 WR, cornerback and RB. Yes we signed L. Bell but we need a back that can take that pressure off Bell and McQuire ain’t it. Powell may not even be a Jet by the time the season starts.
Decisions-decisions!!!
Unless we get a haul as GJ&H described above we have to take our edge rusher now (BTW - if it's the Giants we trade with I'd also ask for them besides their two first rounders to include their second rounder in exchange for one of our third rounders).
A good pass rusher is arguably the second most important position in football and if a possible great one is out there (Bosa or Allen) you don't pass them up. Just remember what Von Miller did to Carolina in the Superbowl. I'm not a Mac fan at all but even he should be able to figure this out.
A good pass rusher is arguably the second most important position in football and if a possible great one is out there (Bosa or Allen) you don't pass them up. Just remember what Von Miller did to Carolina in the Superbowl. I'm not a Mac fan at all but even he should be able to figure this out.
If it was them, I'd also ask for the re-naming of MetLife Stadium as Joe Namath Stadium.
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Mac knows how important it is to land that edge rusher this time around, Edge rushers of this quality don't come around in the draft very often and his job is very much on the line this time and he is aware of that as well. I believe they are listening to offers, mostly with a deaf ear, because some team may feel desperate enough to mortgage their future and give us both a kings and queens ransom for that pick and I also believe that it would have to still allow him to fill that position of need, edge rusher, that has haunted the Jets for a long time.
I'm glad there are rumors going both ways. We want a smoke screen so no one knows what we really want. That gives us a better opportunity to cash in
There is only one question that Mac should be asking himself: Which is more correlative to winning and going deep in the playoffs: a very good offensive line or a very good edge rusher? The answer is obviously a good offensive line. We almost never see a final four or top six team which has an average or mediocre offensive line. Often times teams win the Super Bowl without a great edge rusher. The two seasons the Jets came close to going to the Super Bowl under Rex Ryan they did so with a below average quarterback and no premium edge rusher but a great offensive line. I live in the Boston area and despise the Pats but i see what they place the value on: the offensive line. They let Chandler Jones go, they let Jamie Collins go and now Trey Flowers. But they continuously draft OL in the first two rounds or trade second day picks for OL. Just as in baseball good pitching in the playoffs trumps good hitting, so it is in football that a good offensive line neutralizes good pass rushers. Because of that Mac has to trade down even if he does not get a haul (he should not be taken to the cleaners either) and get an edge rusher and some ammunition to move up to get a center and draft another OL such as a road grader guard or a very good developmental tackle prospect. If the Jets trade down 6 to 8 spots most likely Montez Sweat or Brian Burns will be there, both or whom are close to the level or Allen. If they are not just get two OL studs and together with KO let the offensive line and the offense dominate games. Use the rest of the draft to help the defense. Perhaps we will even get some draft capital for next year as well.
Whether Mac is capable of answering the question correctly or executing an appropriate trade down and drafting well is another question i probably don't want to know the answer to.
If the Patriots care so much about their offensive line, then why’d they let Trent Brown and Nate Solder go? The Patriots have a long history of letting just about anyone go, regardless of position. They think they can replace anyone other than Brady. And 80-90% of the time they do.
I agree that the o-line for the Jets needs a little more tinkering. I am hoping another Center and maybe another Tackle will be on this roster by September. Gotta disagree about the pass rusher, though. The Jets haven’t had edge pressure since John Abraham. It shows on game day. QB’s have too much time to throw the ball. That’s gotta end now. Josh Allen or Nick Bosa.
You will find guys here, that think the cheetahs offensive line has been average at best for the past 20 years. I am not one of them. I have watched Brady stand in one spot untouched for most of 20 years so I agree with you. Scarnechia is the best o line coach there ever was and he made Brady what he is. Hard to argue that but some guys will try.
If we don't improve the line we will again have a defense that gets kissed at the offense because they hold the other team to 13 points a game and still lose. We'll see
One of the first and best things Parcells did was being in Mawae
I agree with you that the "O" line is a priority but considering the quality of "O" line players in this years draft which most everyone agrees is much stronger with defensive players I would have to say getting that elite pass rusher the team has needed almost forever, and is available in this draft, rates higher than the quality of offensive players this time around over all. I'm not saying there aren't any offensive players that are good, I am quite high on LT Dillard, but top notch edge rushers are the cream of the crop this season and they don't show up very often so if you need one, and we absolutely are desperate for one, you have to take it when you can get it. Then you go after those "O" line upgrades.
You can forget drafting offensive line players in the first 2 Rds for the Jets. Macc has not drafted the OL ever in the first 2 Rds. Besides, he spent in FA for all those over the hill lineman. If we trade down and acquire extra picks, it will go to ER, CB, WR and maybe Center.
Kim Jones: "It will take an enormous offer for the Jets to trade the #3 pick. They believe they can get a real impact player on defense with that pick."
http://www.nfl.com/videos/up-to-the-...rade-No-3-pick
Let's hope they mean it because I've been saying the same thing. I'm not trading away an opportunity to draft one of the three elite defensive players in this draft unless someone blows me away with a lopsided proposal in our favor.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/up-to-the-...rade-No-3-pick
Let's hope they mean it because I've been saying the same thing. I'm not trading away an opportunity to draft one of the three elite defensive players in this draft unless someone blows me away with a lopsided proposal in our favor.
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Prediction. Cheatahs offer their offensive line and offensive line coach Dante Scarnechia for our #3 pick then Scarnechia retires again and we have nothing
