McShay: 2015 NFL Mock Draft 2.0

[Bigmoe]

Smith has been the worst or close to the worst starting QB in the NFL for both of his two miserable seasons.

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End of story
I'm really surprised anyone ( called a Jet fan ) can support Geno
And please don't give me his stats compared to other first/second year QBs
Or his potential to improve, what do you guys look at?
Time to move on, again, like it or not. I've watched this team for more than 40 years and Geno's a joke to move forward on.

 

[flgreen]

End of story
I'm really surprised anyone ( called a Jet fan ) can support Geno
And please don't give me his stats compared to other first/second year QBs
Or his potential to improve, what do you guys look at?Time to move on, again, like it or not. I've watched this team for more than 40 years and Geno's a joke to move forward on.

Agree.

Geno's stats suck, and when their spun to look better, he just fails the eye test. Just doesn't look like an NFL QB. He's not Russell, but he's not very good either

 

[Superman55]

Smith has been the worst or close to the worst starting QB in the NFL for both of his two miserable seasons.

Russell like...definitely, maybe worse

And while, normally rookie QBs improve in year 2, Smith actually significantly regressed.

I'll be respectful and not even comment on the comparison of Genomarcus with Drew Brees.

You shouldn't compare the two, Brees's 2nd year starting he had 11 TDs 15 INTs less yards and a worse completion % than Geno...he would have failed the eye ball test too.

I agree with this comment though, which is the most accurate assessment stated yet:

"He's not Russell, but he's not very good either."

Comparing him to Russell is an extreme that even Geno hasn't reached.

 

[jets82]

I've said this before on previous threads if the Jets have the opportunity to draft Mariota and they do, it shows that they have given up on Geno. I'm cool with them drafting Mariota but they need to get that #1 WR in FAs, Dez or Thomas (primarily two) or Cobb or Maclin (back up options) that they didn't in the first round because of the Mariota pick. They also need to fill the other position (o-line, CB, LB, S, RB and QB) in FAs and the rest in the draft as they would anyway.

Shouldn't matter either way IMO because drafting Mariota or whatever QB in whatever round you still will throw Geno, that rookie QB and a vet QB FA signing into a equal competition and may the best man win. If Mariota wins then great, you see if you can Geno for a 4th rounder (very-very doubtful) or a 5th or 6th (hopefully). If Geno wins and play well, Mariota sits and learns for a year and you address who you trade between them at the end of the year. If neither wins, the vet QB obviously plays, they both sit and learn and you still try and trade Geno for that 5th or 6th rounder and hopeful Mariota is ready next season. This team isn't going to the SB or even the playoffs next year most likely, so lets start working out the kinks and rebuilding asap. No reason to wait IMO!!!

 

[lounap23]

Free agent thread wasn't closed. It was merged into a "all NFL offseason thread"

MV, Renegade and I are aware that it's frustrating for you to go back and forth on boards. We like it organized into diff boards but it may not be plausible in the offseason since a lot of true content revolves around the draft. We'll come up with a solution. This board is young and a work in progress. In addition, we can't please everyone but we will sure try. Keep your suggestions coming!

We were supposed to have a call today with MV but he had a last minute biz trip to go on.

First post over here and I will say all different boards is a little much.... One board to talk Jets football and let the topics be what the topics be... i.e. draft, free agency, cap discussions etc... if its JEts related leave it in one spot... Maybe just me but I like one stop shopping...

 

[Superman55]

I've said this before on previous threads if the Jets have the opportunity to draft Mariota and they do, it shows that they have given up on Geno. I'm cool with them drafting Mariota but they need to get that #1 WR in FAs, Dez or Thomas (primarily two) or Cobb or Maclin (back up options) that they didn't in the first round because of the Mariota pick. They also need to fill the other position (o-line, CB, LB, S, RB and QB) in FAs and the rest in the draft as they would anyway.

Shouldn't matter either way IMO because drafting Mariota or whatever QB in whatever round you still will throw Geno, that rookie QB and a vet QB FA signing into a equal competition and may the best man win. If Mariota wins then great, you see if you can Geno for a 4th rounder (very-very doubtful) or a 5th or 6th (hopefully). If Geno wins and play well, Mariota sits and learns for a year and you address who you trade between them at the end of the year. If neither wins, the vet QB obviously plays, they both sit and learn and you still try and trade Geno for that 5th or 6th rounder and hopeful Mariota is ready next season. This team isn't going to the SB or even the playoffs next year most likely, so lets start working out the kinks and rebuilding asap. No reason to wait IMO!!!

To your point, with all the highlighted position needs above, i.e. showing how poorly we filled them last year with 12 draft picks and $50 mill to spend, we're likely in for another poor year anyway (because its not likely we fill all those holes in 1 off season)...so if we draft Mariota, you can afford to sit him an entire season and let Geno/another vet take the lumps in a likely 6-10 season anyway.

If you take mariota, you groom him with a year of classroom work with gaily and his coaching staff.

 

[lounap23]

And my two cents on the draft and this mock.... I'm with Nick, if Mariota is there we have to take him!! I personally believe he needs 1-2 years on the bench to develop his skill set ala Aaron Rodgers. I think this kid is special but I don't think he can come in right away and play and we'll have to live with that... I am prepared for short term pain for long term gain

 

[njimport]

There are so many ways the draft can unfold.

Barring any trades he actually might land on our lap. If I were the GM I would definitely take him. Does he come with concerns absolutely but if he is off the board which direction do you go BPA or take the 2nd best WR. 5 of the top 10 players are DE/DT I can easily assure you we are ok in that department. We need to address the offensive. We need to address the offensive badly.

 

[flgreen]

To your point, with all the highlighted position needs above, i.e. showing how poorly we filled them last year with 12 draft picks and $50 mill to spend, we're likely in for another poor year anyway (because its not likely we fill all those holes in 1 off season)...so if we draft Mariota, you can afford to sit him an entire season and let Geno/another vet take the lumps in a likely 6-10 season anyway.

If you take mariota, you groom him with a year of classroom work with gaily and his coaching staff.

Most really aren't horrible MUST FIX positions. OL needs a guard in FA, it will be fine. LB is OK now, depending what happens with Harris, and Pace. At this point isn't a horrible weakness. Allen will be going back to S, think they will be fine there. If Jets resign Powell, and pick up a mid round RB (strong draft for RB's) Strong position. That leaves 2 positions that are horrible, and the reason the Jets were 4-12. CB and QB. The CB is fixable. Sign Jackson and Cro, it's fixed. QB is a different situation. Think the Jets will have a shot at Mariota, but I doubt he will be the savior this year. A game manager in FA, or perhaps Smith will step up. LOL

 

[Elias]

First post over here and I will say all different boards is a little much.... One board to talk Jets football and let the topics be what the topics be... i.e. draft, free agency, cap discussions etc... if its JEts related leave it in one spot... Maybe just me but I like one stop shopping...

Thanks for your input and of course welcome!


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[Superman55]

There are so many ways the draft can unfold.

Barring any trades he actually might land on our lap. If I were the GM I would definitely take him. Does he come with concerns absolutely but if he is off the board which direction do you go BPA or take the 2nd best WR. 5 of the top 10 players are DE/DT I can easily assure you we are ok in that department. We need to address the offensive. We need to address the offensive badly.

I dont think you know that...whoever you draft at #6 may very well be the best at his position. Just because Eli goes #1 , doesn't make him a better QB than Rivers or Big Ben, you know?

I think Cooper may be the first WR off the board, I doubt he'll be the best WR in this class. Same goes for OLB, DE, or OT, just because we draft the 2nd WR, OLB, or OT, IMO, doesn't mean they wont be the best at their position, especially when you're picking that high.

 

[njimport]

I dont think you know that...whoever you draft at #6 may very well be the best at his position. Just because Eli goes #1 , doesn't make him a better QB than Rivers or Big Ben, you know?

I think Cooper may be the first WR off the board, I doubt he'll be the best WR in this class. Same goes for OLB, DE, or OT, just because we draft the 2nd WR, OLB, or OT, IMO, doesn't mean they wont be the best at their position, especially when you're picking that high.

I agree. What I was trying to convey was that if Mariota is there I would draft him even if White is still there who I think will have the better Pro career. Cooper will be gone and most likely rated as the best WR on most boards.

Who knows maybe Petty or Grayson might be the best QB in the draft after Winston who has off the field issues and Mariota being drafted by this cursed franchise. We really don’t know until they start playing in the NFL. That is what makes the NFL draft very fascinating.

 

[hobson54]

it's probably stating the obvious, but in the end, it will come down to scouting. if macc and his staff think mariota has what it takes to be a franchise QB (however you define that), then they need to take him at #6 . the easiest path to success in the nfl is to have that franchise QB, and when you have a high draft pick and a desperate need at the most important position on the field, you need to take the QB.

if they aren't sold on mariota as a franchise QB, then you shouldn't take him just because you need a QB.

 

[Superman55]

I agree. What I was trying to convey was that if Mariota is there I would draft him even if White is still there who I think will have the better Pro career. Cooper will be gone and most likely rated as the best WR on most boards.

Who knows maybe Petty or Grayson might be the best QB in the draft after Winston who has off the field issues and Mariota being drafted by this cursed franchise. We really don’t know until they start playing in the NFL. That is what makes the NFL draft very fascinating.

I agree.

And on Cooper, I agree he likely goes first, but I wouldn't be shocked if White, Parker, Beckham, and Smith all end up being better than him.

 

[SackExchange]

it's probably stating the obvious, but in the end, it will come down to scouting. if macc and his staff think mariota has what it takes to be a franchise QB (however you define that), then they need to take him at [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=6]#6 [/URL] . the easiest path to success in the nfl is to have that franchise QB, and when you have a high draft pick and a desperate need at the most important position on the field, you need to take the QB.

if they aren't sold on mariota as a franchise QB, then you shouldn't take him just because you need a QB.

This is pretty much it. It doesn't matter whether we think Mariota or Winston are the real deal or not. It matters if the new front office does.

And if it does, and Mariota makes it to #6 , unless a team like Philly offers a massive deal with multiple high picks and Foles, you take Mariota. How can you pass on him in that spot?

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

What is folly is comparing a proven bust whose major college achievement was embarrassing himself and his team in the all important Pinstripe Bowl to the Heisman Trophy winner who took his team to the National Championship game.

Mariota has the potential to be a franchise NFL QB

Smith has the proven ability to be JaMarcus Russell

Smith being a 2nd round pick is not much of a bust and comparing him to Russell at #1 is pretty ridiculous. Marietta has the potential to be a huge bust at #6 . I'm not impressed with Mariota other than his college game in a gimmick system. If he is there at #6 then I think you take him or trade the pick to Cleveland or Philly. I will wait to see what the experts say after they break down everything to know whether I'm on board with the pick or not. It doesn't matter anyway since the Jets don't ask my opinion.

 

[SackExchange]

Smith being a 2nd round pick is not much of a bust and comparing him to Russell at #1 is pretty ridiculous. Marietta has the potential to be a huge bust at #6 . I'm not impressed with Mariota other than his college game in a gimmick system. If he is there at #6 then I think you take him or trade the pick to Cleveland or Philly. I will wait to see what the experts say after they break down everything to know whether I'm on board with the pick or not. It doesn't matter anyway since the Jets don't ask my opinion.

I'm still not sure what's not to be impressed with. If anything, you can have questions about whether he can make the reads of a pro offense, and adapt to being more of a pocket passer, but I don't get what part of his game has been proven to be deficient. He has the smarts, the size, the arm, the vision, the legs...

It's perfectly reasonable to say it's a risk to bring in a QB from a system that has proven to work in college, but not necessarily the NFL. But I don't understand where he has been proven to be lacking.

 

[ucrenegade]

honestly these next few drafts after this one are supposed to have some real good qb's coming out

I would offer a 4th to texans for either mallet or fitz nd look for our QB in the next few drafts. I like mariotta but him never playing in a pro-style scares the crap out of me plus he may be durable in college but we don't know how he will fair if he has a guy like suggs knocking him around.

 

[SackExchange]

honestly these next few drafts after this one are supposed to have some real good qb's coming out

I would offer a 4th to texans for either mallet or fitz nd look for our QB in the next few drafts. I like mariotta but him never playing in a pro-style scares the crap out of me plus he may be durable in college but we don't know how he will fair if he has a guy like suggs knocking him around.

Mallett is a UFA. Don't have to offer anything.

 

[NickSINYC]

And my two cents on the draft and this mock.... I'm with Nick, if Mariota is there we have to take him!! I personally believe he needs 1-2 years on the bench to develop his skill set ala Aaron Rodgers. I think this kid is special but I don't think he can come in right away and play and we'll have to live with that... I am prepared for short term pain for long term gain

Welcome to the board. I am happy to see you made it over here.