McShay: 2015 NFL Mock Draft 2.0

[NickSINYC]

honestly these next few drafts after this one are supposed to have some real good qb's coming out

I would offer a 4th to texans for either mallet or fitz nd look for our QB in the next few drafts. I like mariotta but him never playing in a pro-style scares the crap out of me plus he may be durable in college but we don't know how he will fair if he has a guy like suggs knocking him around.

It is very hard to project out to future drafts and evaluate QBs. By the time next year rolls around it is just as likely to hear how weak the class is as strong.

If I was a GM I would take a flyer on a QB every year until I found a keeper. This year I would love to sign Mallet and draft another QB high. Let those two and Smith battle it out.

 

[Football51]

It is very hard to project out to future drafts and evaluate QBs. By the time next year rolls around it is just as likely to hear how weak the class is as strong.

If I was a GM I would take a flyer on a QB every year until I found a keeper. This year I would love to sign Mallet and draft another QB high. Let those two and Smith battle it out.

Nick, this might be this years' sleeper qb.


Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 9h9 hours ago

Last year’s draft QB curiosity was Tom Savage, a talented unknown. This year’s? SE La.’s Bryan Bennett, Mariota’s ex-backup. Great athlete


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Steve Andress @ColtsReporter · 9h9 hours ago

@RapSheet I covered him at Oregon. Before Mariota arrived, Bennett turned heads in practice. Ducks were very excited, but, ya know, Mariota

 

[NickSINYC]

Nick, this might be this years' sleeper qb.


Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 9h9 hours ago

Last year’s draft QB curiosity was Tom Savage, a talented unknown. This year’s? SE La.’s Bryan Bennett, Mariota’s ex-backup. Great athlete


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Steve Andress @ColtsReporter · 9h9 hours ago

@RapSheet I covered him at Oregon. Before Mariota arrived, Bennett turned heads in practice. Ducks were very excited, but, ya know, Mariota

If you go back to the old board you will see me saying we should draft him. I think Dan was putting up youtube videos of QBs he wanted and I told him to include Bennett

 

[flgreen]

honestly these next few drafts after this one are supposed to have some real good qb's coming outI would offer a 4th to texans for either mallet or fitz nd look for our QB in the next few drafts. I like mariotta but him never playing in a pro-style scares the crap out of me plus he may be durable in college but we don't know how he will fair if he has a guy like suggs knocking him around.

IDK about that.

Never know what's going to happen during the season, but next year's QB's look pretty bleak

 

[Bronx]

I hate the idea of Mallet. The only reason this guy is even considered is because he played under Belichick. He has shown absolutely zero. Give me Glennon, Foles or Mariotta, in that order. Since Winston seems not an option

 

[jetsfanshanghai]

Agree.

Geno's stats suck, and when their spun to look better, he just fails the eye test. Just doesn't look like an NFL QB. He's not Russell, but he's not very good either

flgreen, I agree on the eye test and as for stats....they are a source of endless debate biased by polar opposite points of view all of which have been assembled from the same data source.

Controversial, yes; inflammatory, probably; good fun during the off season? hell yeah

"Given a large mass of data, we can by judicious selection construct perfectly plausible unassailable theories—all of which, some of which, or none of which may be right."
-Paul Arnold Srere

I-Ching and the citric acid cycle. Unpublished manuscript/seminar notes quoted in Frederick Grinnell, Everyday Practice of Science (2008), 86.

 

[jetsfanshanghai]

And my two cents on the draft and this mock.... I'm with Nick, if Mariota is there we have to take him!! I personally believe he needs 1-2 years on the bench to develop his skill set ala Aaron Rodgers. I think this kid is special but I don't think he can come in right away and play and we'll have to live with that... I am prepared for short term pain for long term gain

Lou, nice to read you again buddy!

I'm with you on taking Mariota and I'm 100% in agreement that he should sit for a year and learn; however, how long would it take for the "boo-birds" and the NY media to start assailing Geno / [insert vet name] and calling for Mariota to take to the field? First INT? First loss? Week 6?

I can imagine the garbage Metta will start spewing already (obnoxious worm that he is)

 

[flgreen]

I hate the idea of Mallet. The only reason this guy is even considered is because he played under Belichick. He has shown absolutely zero. Give me Glennon, Foles or Mariotta, in that order. Since Winston seems not an option

Don't write Winston off completely. A month ago almost 100% of the scribes were saying The Buc's were going to take Mariota. Now nearly 100% are saying they are taking Winston. They don't have any more of a clue then you or I do at this point.

Watch after the combine Winston is going to run a pedestrian 40 time, and Mariota is going to smoke it. The pendulum will swing back in Mariota's favor again.

I'm been touting Winston for a year and a half, so I'm a bit biased. I really want him to the Jets

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I'm still not sure what's not to be impressed with. If anything, you can have questions about whether he can make the reads of a pro offense, and adapt to being more of a pocket passer, but I don't get what part of his game has been proven to be deficient. He has the smarts, the size, the arm, the vision, the legs...

It's perfectly reasonable to say it's a risk to bring in a QB from a system that has proven to work in college, but not necessarily the NFL. But I don't understand where he has been proven to be lacking.

I guess my biggest fear is he is really hyped and then when I watched him play he was garbage in title game.

 

[flgreen]

I guess my biggest fear is he is really hyped and then when I watched him play he was garbage in title game.

Yeah, that's a concern. IMO he'll b e a pretty good NFL QB. Be happy if the Jets draft him. Still rather have Winston

 

[jetgreen13]

Smith being a 2nd round pick is not much of a bust and comparing him to Russell at #1 is pretty ridiculous. Marietta has the potential to be a huge bust at #6 . I'm not impressed with Mariota other than his college game in a gimmick system. If he is there at #6 then I think you take him or trade the pick to Cleveland or Philly. I will wait to see what the experts say after they break down everything to know whether I'm on board with the pick or not. It doesn't matter anyway since the Jets don't ask my opinion.

i not a college foofball guy but i did watch the national championship game & that was mostly because i wanted to get a look at both QBs..

nothing about mariota screamed out he's one of the two best QB prospects in the draft..

i recognize you don't grade QBs on one game but i don't remember any flashes either..

& like you said, he played in a gimmick college offense..

 

[Sarge]

I'm not a huge fan of Marriotta, but if we take him, we damn sure better decide that for the next 3 years, every organizational decision will be based on putting the best supporting cast and system in place to help him succeed. If we are drop dead serious about doing that, then Marriotta was a good draft pick

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I'm not a huge fan of Marriotta, but if we take him, we damn sure better decide that for the next 3 years, every organizational decision will be based on putting the best supporting cast and system in place to help him succeed. If we are drop dead serious about doing that, then Marriotta was a good draft pick

Glad to see you over here, Sarge. I really like reading your posts.

And I agree about Mariota. I'm a little unsure about his future as an NFL QB, but as Hobson said earlier, if Maccagnan and Co. feel he's worth the pick, then we've gotta pull the trigger. This is all assuming he drops to us, like all the draftniks seem to be predicting. But nothing matters unless this GM makes a commitment to retooling this offense with the right players around him. If we get one more really good WR, and a couple of better interior linemen, I believe Mariota will be set up for success.

 

[Copernicus]

Glad to see you over here, Sarge. I really like reading your posts.

And I agree about Mariota. I'm a little unsure about his future as an NFL QB, but as Hobson said earlier, if Maccagnan and Co. feel he's worth the pick, then we've gotta pull the trigger. This is all assuming he drops to us, like all the draftniks seem to be predicting. But nothing matters unless this GM makes a commitment to retooling this offense with the right players around him. If we get one more really good WR, and a couple of better interior linemen, I believe Mariota will be set up for success.

I am so hesitant to draft a QB with such similar positives and negatives traits to Geno. I am also not so sure that Geno is a lost cause. Maybe Gaily can get the best out of Geno? It's like we are drafting the same guy in Marriotta. I almost feel like if Mariotta is there at 6 we should trade down to the highest bidder.......

 

[Superman55]

I am so hesitant to draft a QB with such similar positives and negatives traits to Geno. I am also not so sure that Geno is a lost cause. Maybe Gaily can get the best out of Geno? It's like we are drafting the same guy in Marriotta. I almost feel like if Mariotta is there at 6 we should trade down to the highest bidder.......

:hand-clapping-smile


Yep, exactly how I feel. Every wart told to us about Geno before we drafted him, is squarely on Mariotta as well. I feel the only difference is Mariotta will have a better 40 time. he may be an inch taller too, but in terms of what he's missing to be a franchise QB, mariotta is Geno Smith. People will say maybe he's smarter than Geno...show me how you measure that and dont tell me a wonderlic test...learning how to play QB all over again isn't covered on that test...

 

[OCCH]

:hand-clapping-smile


Yep, exactly how I feel. Every wart told to us about Geno before we drafted him, is squarely on Mariotta as well. I feel the only difference is Mariotta will have a better 40 time. he may be an inch taller too, but in terms of what he's missing to be a franchise QB, mariotta is Geno Smith. People will say maybe he's smarter than Geno...show me how you measure that and dont tell me a wonderlic test...learning how to play QB all over again isn't covered on that test...

Very fair, but since you can't "measure smarts", you also can't discount them.

Do you feel Geno has all the physical tools to be a quality NFL QB? If so, do you agree it's his mental acumen that is (currently) holding him back? Perhaps Gailey can help Geno turn the light on, but we already have two years of evidence that would seem to prove otherwise. That cannot (currently) be said about Mariota. We know he has the physical tools, and we DON'T know he can't handle the mental aspect. So do we just assume he can't? And if so, do we have a better option later in the draft/FA?

I'm not saying I'm on one side or the other -- I'm too casual a CFB fan to speak authoritatively. But saying Mariota has the same physical ability as Geno ISN'T a criticism -- the guy was considered the #1 pick in the entire draft for a while. It just doesn't look like Geno was able to take the next step, and I'm not sure that's something we should hold against MM . . .

 

[lounap23]

i not a college foofball guy but i did watch the national championship game & that was mostly because i wanted to get a look at both QBs..

nothing about mariota screamed out he's one of the two best QB prospects in the draft..

i recognize you don't grade QBs on one game but i don't remember any flashes either..

& like you said, he played in a gimmick college offense..

A gimmick offense that has gone what 20-12 in the last 2-seasons. I don't hink it's a gimmick offense when run right....

Steve Spurrier and Urban Myer run more of the college spread offense that doesn't work in the NFL.. One is 80% pass and the other is 80% run.... Kelley's offense has a decent mix probably 60% pass to 40% run


If handled right Mariota is gonna be special

 

[Superman55]

A gimmick offense that has gone what 20-12 in the last 2-seasons. I don't hink it's a gimmick offense when run right....

Steve Spurrier and Urban Myer run more of the college spread offense that doesn't work in the NFL.. One is 80% pass and the other is 80% run.... Kelley's offense has a decent mix probably 60% pass to 40% run


If handled right Mariota is gonna be special

Well, handling him right is handling him like Rodgers, where you take a spread QB and sit him a year to learn NFL terminology, under the center footwork, how to progress through reads, how to recognize defenses, and how to execute your offense based on game plans and anticipated defensive looks.

Spread Qbs do not know how to take snaps under center, progress through reads, read a defense, and has never seen a play book NFL size, or as many variations of coverages, blitz packages, or protection schemes...

yep, the right way to develop a spread offense is like Aaron Rodgers...with time. the wrong way is the way Alex Smith and Geno Smith were developed, by throwing them on the field before they've learned half of the above requirements to play QB...

 

[Superman55]

What role will Glennon have in 2015?
February, 13, 2015
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On Wednesday, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers released veteran quarterback Josh McCown. That leaves the Bucs with Mike Glennon as their top option under center at this time, though the expectation is that they will use the No. 1 overall pick on Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota.

What are the Bucs' plans for Glennon?

“[The meaning of McCown being cut] starts by saying Mike Glennon is a good caretaker,” ESPN NFL Insider Bill Polian said on SiriusXM NFL Radio (H/T JoeBucsFan.com).

“And he will be given the keys, I suspect, to start and whomever they draft, with the first pick in the draft, will be the heir apparent and Glennon will revert to a backup job or perhaps be traded if he does well down the line.

"It makes it pretty clear right now [the Bucs] are going to take a quarterback.”

And in the eyes of ESPN NFL Insider Mel Kiper Jr. that quarterback likely will be Winston:


Mel Kiper Jr.
Kiper: 2015 NFL Mock Draft 2.0
"I had Winston here in my first mock, and while I believe the Buccaneers will take a close look at Marcus Mariota here and make him an option, I project at this point they end up with the superior talent, assuming their inquiries and many questions into his past off-field behavior and maturity are answered and they feel comfortable. That's still a big "if." Todd McShay and I discussed it more here, but the reality is Winston is a major talent, in a category with some of the big-name No. 1 QB picks we've seen. However, it's all clouded by the off-field stuff. If he lands here, the Buccaneers have a nice set of weapons for him, and he's the most NFL-ready QB in the draft, maybe the only one in terms of a true understanding of an NFL-level scheme. He's big, durable, strong-armed and has both a high football IQ and an ability to read, anticipate and process at a very high level what defenses are trying to do. It's not a shock if he's not taken here; I just think it's the likeliest outcome at this stage."

 

[jetgreen13]

A gimmick offense that has gone what 20-12 in the last 2-seasons. I don't hink it's a gimmick offense when run right....

Steve Spurrier and Urban Myer run more of the college spread offense that doesn't work in the NFL.. One is 80% pass and the other is 80% run.... Kelley's offense has a decent mix probably 60% pass to 40% run


If handled right Mariota is gonna be special

honestly i wouldn't be swayed one way or the other if oregon went 32-0 over the last two seasons.. it's college football.. whatever you want to call what mariota ran at oregon it wasn't a traditional pro style offense.. i would rather take a flyer on a guy like bryce petty in the middle rounds than one on mariota with the 6th pick..