How can an Owner Address a Fan in the Manner?

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James Dolan tells off fan in email
By Ian Begley
ESPN.com

New York Knicks owner and Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan told a fan to "start rooting for the Nets because the Knicks don't want you" in a contentious email exchange.

In the email, Irving Bierman criticized Dolan over decisions made during his tenure as owner of the Knicks. Dolan responded by telling Bierman to root for the Nets and attacked him personally. An MSG representative confirmed to ESPN.com that the emailed response was written by Dolan.

"At one stage I thought that you did a wonderful thing when you acquired EVERYTHING from you dad. However, since then it has been ALL DOWN HILL. Your working with Isaiah Thomas & everything else regarding the Knicks. Brnging on Phil Jackson was a positive beginning, but lowballing Steve Kerr was a DISGRACE to the knicks. The bottom line is that you merely continued to interfere with the franchise," Irving Bierman wrote in an email addressed to Dolan.

"As a knicks fan for in excess of 60 years, I am utterly embarased by your dealings with the Knicks. Sell them so their fans can at least look forward to growing them in a positive direction Obviously, money IS NOT THE ONLY THING. You have done a lot of utterly STUPID business things with the franchise. Please NO MORE. Respectfully, Irving Bierman."

In his response, Dolan called Bierman "a sad person."

"Why would anybody write such a hateful letter. I am.just guessing but ill bet your life is a mess and you are a hateful mess," Dolan wrote. "What have you done that anyone would consider positive or nice. I am betting nothing. In fact ill bet you are negative force in everyone who comes in contact with you. You most likely have made your family miserable. Alcoholic maybe. I just celebrated my 21 year anniversary of sobriety. You should try it. Maybe it will help you become a person that folks would like to have around. In the mean while start rooting for the Nets because the Knicks dont want you. Respectfully James Dolan."

Bierman, for what it's worth, said he has no intentions of rooting for the Nets.

"Never," he said in a phone interview.

Bierman, 73, said he wanted to email Dolan because he was upset over his handling of the Knicks, whom he has rooted for since 1952.

"I just felt enough is enough is enough," Bierman said.

"We thought maybe [Dolan] would admit he made some mistakes," said Aaron Bierman, the son of Irving Bierman, in a phone interview. "Instead, he confirmed some of the worst things that fans think of him."

The Knicks have mostly struggled during Dolan's tenure as owner, which began in 1999. They have won just one playoff series in the past 14 years. This season, New York is 10-41.

Deadspin.com first reported the email exchange.

What a piece of garbage!
 

Elias

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This was horrible. I posted it earlier under the nba part but makes more sense here.

He should have acknowledged his mistakes and said the hiring of Phil Jackson was to correct them. This is a pr nightmare.....
 
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This was horrible. I posted it earlier under the nba part but makes more sense here.

He should have acknowledged his mistakes and said the hiring of Phil Jackson was to correct them. This is a pr nightmare.....

Sorry, I realize this is not Jets related, but can you imagine if Woody addressed a Jets fan in a similar fashion? I find this reprehensible.
 
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And this is the man that killed any chance the jets had at their own stadium. Not a knicks fan but for that reason alone I despise him.
 
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Sorry, I realize this is not Jets related, but can you imagine if Woody addressed a Jets fan in a similar fashion? I find this reprehensible.
Can you imagine if this douche had won the bidding and was the owner of the Jets?
 

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At least he doesn't hide behind a pr firm...he said it will catch a firestorm from it will still have his monopoly and still have sell out after sell out at the Garden
 
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At least he doesn't hide behind a pr firm...he said it will catch a firestorm from it will still have his monopoly and still have sell out after sell out at the Garden
Not sure which Garden you are referring to but the Knicks are half empty and the Rangers who are playing great hockey don't have "sellout after sellout"
 

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At least he doesn't hide behind a pr firm...he said it will catch a firestorm from it will still have his monopoly and still have sell out after sell out at the Garden

Cable will slowly die out. It's an old business model but old habits die hard so there are still about 50 years left of them ripping us off. If it wasn't for love sports I would have cut the chord a while ago.
 

Xmarco

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The Garden when I went sure was sold out and the corporate sponsor still buy the seats if not show up...he is a spoiled rich brat that doesn't have any idea what repercussions are or could be...his family beat then changed the system
 

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I agree Elias but he will be dead and his family will still own rights to telecasts, films and other media formats
 
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Cable will slowly die out. It's an old business model but old habits die hard so there are still about 50 years left of them ripping us off. If it wasn't for love sports I would have cut the chord a while ago.

You are correct. I've had my problems with the Dolans ever since 1988. Living on Long Island I had Cablevision, owned by the Dolans. In those days they owned SportsChannel, which carried games from the Islanders and Nets, and took their competitor MSG Network off their cable system. Consequently, I was paying expensive monthly bills and couldn't even watch the Rangers, Knicks, and then the Yankees. I was even part of a group that picketed Cablevision's offices in Woodbury.

They always were an arrogant bunch and, as pointed out, played a key role in blocking the Jets bis for a West Side Stadium, thanks to their corrupt friend Sheldon Silver.

Currently I subscribe to Fios.
 

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And this is the man that killed any chance the jets had at their own stadium. Not a knicks fan but for that reason alone I despise him.


well he and sheldon silver killed the west side stadium.

silver just got busted for being corrupt. i'd like to see dolan share a jail cell with him (ok, dolan may not be a criminal like silver, but i just want him locked up for "killing" the knicks) :mad:
 
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I had TWC for decades. Then our Co-op was wired for FIOS. Made the switch 2 1/2 years ago and haven't had to perform what was a weekly or more reboot of the system one time since.

When I returned my equipment to TWC, they gave me a number (43) and 39 of the 42 in front of me were also returning their junk having gone to FIOS or Direct TV
 
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I had TWC for decades. Then our Co-op was wired for FIOS. Made the switch 2 1/2 years ago and haven't had to perform what was a weekly or more reboot of the system one time since.

When I returned my equipment to TWC, they gave me a number (43) and 39 of the 42 in front of me were also returning their junk having gone to FIOS or Direct TV

I've had FiOS for years. I've never really had a problem with their equipment. Optimum (Cablevision) tries to get me back, but I've never bitten.
 

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Fire John Idzik guys have a new target!!!! It's Dolan. Good luck on this one....

NEW YORK -- The disgruntled fans who started the multiplatform campaign calling for former New York Jets general manager John Idzik's ouster have found their next target: Knicks owner James Dolan.

Inspired by Dolan's email to a fan in which the Knicks owner told him to go root for the rival Brooklyn Nets, Jason Koeppel and his brother Jared, along with friends Greg Kohler and Dan Filowitz, have launched Knicks4Sale.com, a detailed website that calls for Dolan to sell the team.

The campaign, which also features a Twitter and a Facebook account, hopes to raise $20,000 in donations to pay for a billboard on 30th Street and Seventh Avenue near Madison Square Garden.

"It was the 'Idzik news conference moment.' That's what we called it when we decided that management and ownership had gone too far and it was time for the fans to do something," Jason Koeppel, a self-described die-hard fan of the Jets and Knicks from Teaneck, New Jersey, told ESPNNewYork.com via phone Monday night.

A campaign launched by a group of New York sports fans hopes to raise $20,000 in donations to put up a billboard near Madison Square Garden, which is depicted here in an artist's rendering.

"This email that he had the nerve to send to one of his fans was the moment. We talked last night -- the four of us -- and just said, you know what, we've had enough and we've gotta do something."


"I've been a Knick fan my whole life, and the past 15 years -- except for that one season where we won one playoff series -- have just been a nightmare," Koeppel continued. "We've been patient, and the cost of going to games has just skyrocketed to the point of being completely out of control, so we don't attend as many games anymore, but we definitely watch on TV, and it's just one terrible season after the other.

"We're sick of having Dolan around. We're sick of his meddling. He's an embarrassment. And it's embarrassing to us to read the email that he sent to a fan, so we just felt like it was time to embarrass him."

The slogan on that billboard will be determined by a fan vote. Assuming enough money is raised for it to be put up, the billboard would be up from the middle of March to the middle of April.

"It's gonna say something to the effect of 'Knicks 4 Sale: Competent owner needed. Inquire within,'" Koeppel said. "But we're gonna look to the creativity of the donors to help us in that process."

Last season, Koeppel and his friends started firejohnidzik.com. They also raised money for multiple billboards -- on highways and via airplane -- calling for Jets owner Woody Johnson to make a change. Idzik was eventually fired following the team's 4-12 season.

"Just like we didn't think that Woody Johnson was gonna go outside Route 3 [near MetLife Stadium] and look at a billboard and fire his general manager, we certainly don't think that James Dolan is gonna look at a billboard on 30th and Seventh and say, 'Hey, maybe you know what? I should sell the Knicks,'" Koeppel said. "But the whole point of this is just to voice displeasure and maybe embarrass him to the point of realizing that what he's doing the last 15 years isn't working and it's time to step away."

Dolan hired Phil Jackson in March and rookie coach Derek Fisher in June to help rebuild the franchise. Dolan and Jackson said Jackson would have full autonomy as president after the 11-time NBA champion received a five-year, $60 million contract. Fisher was signed to a five-year, $25 million deal.

The Knicks (10-42) re-signed Carmelo Anthony to a five-year, $124 million max deal over the summer and, barring a stunning turnaround, will have a lottery pick in the first round of the NBA draft plus around $30 million to spend in free agency.

But Jackson recently told The New York Times that "so far, my experiment has fell flat on its face."

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