Jets Offseason Preview:

[Matriculator]

I'm attacking you??LOL You said who else am I forbidding you to chase?? Revis was great when he was here(We agree on that) IMO he won't be back. I just got tired of the holdouts and the crap that comes with him..Plus I don't think he is the same player he was before the injury. BTW when you post stuff like Better yet, don't answer it. Not sure I want to hear back from you. You don't sound like some one that is open to other opinions. I on the other hand enjoy your posts and think your a fine addition to the board..Oh and I apologize for calling you a Revis fan if thats the worst thing you ever get called your leading a charmed life..

I see, you're a Revis hater. Got it.

I'd open to your opinion if you weren't shoving down my throat YOUR sensibilities. And labeling me as something I'm not.

But continue pontificating in your own fashion. Don't include me.

 

[Bigmoe]

I'm attacking you??LOL You said who else am I forbidding you to chase?? Revis was great when he was here(We agree on that) IMO he won't be back. I just got tired of the holdouts and the crap that comes with him..Plus I don't think he is the same player he was before the injury. BTW when you post stuff like Better yet, don't answer it. Not sure I want to hear back from you. You don't sound like some one that is open to other opinions. I on the other hand enjoy your posts and think your a fine addition to the board..Oh and I apologize for calling you a Revis fan if thats the worst thing you ever get called your leading a charmed life..

I see, you're a Revis hater. Got it.

I'd open to your opinion if you weren't shoving down my throat YOUR sensibilities. And labeling me as something I'm not.

But continue pontificating in your own fashion. Don't include me.

I'm not a Revis hater or lover just a Jet fan. When he was here he was the best. But I agree with Savage, all his BS was to much, goodbye and good riddance. Will he be back, doubt it and who cares, unless he is on the roster. Everybody has their opinion, whatever.
All I "know " is we need a QB , and no I'm not a Geno hater, again just a Jet Fan.

 

[Matriculator]

I'm attacking you??LOL You said who else am I forbidding you to chase?? Revis was great when he was here(We agree on that) IMO he won't be back. I just got tired of the holdouts and the crap that comes with him..Plus I don't think he is the same player he was before the injury. BTW when you post stuff like Better yet, don't answer it. Not sure I want to hear back from you. You don't sound like some one that is open to other opinions. I on the other hand enjoy your posts and think your a fine addition to the board..Oh and I apologize for calling you a Revis fan if thats the worst thing you ever get called your leading a charmed life..

Double post.

 

[Matriculator]

I'm not a Revis hater or lover just a Jet fan. When he was here he was the best. But I agree with Savage, all his BS was to much, goodbye and good riddance. Will he be back, doubt it and who cares, unless he is on the roster. Everybody has their opinion, whatever.
All I "know " is we need a QB , and no I'm not a Geno hater, again just a Jet Fan.

I'm not a lover or hater either but that's what I was cast as for simply suggesting him. Now I'm a frickin' fan! Just ask Savage. He knows.
That's why I suggested the one-year rental. No drama. Did you see any in NE?

And I mention him in the scenario that the other #1 CB FA prospects are off the board. Do you not recall what happened last season? Would you like that repeated or would you take a fallback option that would be more expensive?

I know full well what happened here in the past. They tried to hammer out a long-term deal and Revis wanted full-market value appreciated to the current playing year. He wants one-year deals. He's an oddball that way and he's directed by his cousin, Sean Gilbert, king of the holdouts. That's not the point here. I would ask that you display better focus than someone else here. It's not what I suggested but it seems I hit a nerve at the mere mention of his name.

 

[flgreen]

I'm not sure why you decided I was a Revis fan. I'm not a fan of his. My post included my first choices as Maxwell and Jackson as I said I would not be opposed to Revis. Looking back to last offseason, when Idzik wrote him off while not addressing anyone worthy of handling #1 CB duty for a team that prioritizes man coverage to run their defense, I would pause to simply write him off. The season was lost as a result of not addressing #1 CB in this scheme. And as a result the team had to hit reset. Let me ask you this: would you refuse him if all CB's were off the market? Better yet, don't answer it. Not sure I want to hear back from you.

To somehow characterize me as a fan, that's a stretch...especially based on the comment I gave. But if that makes you feel better, so be it. And in no way did I preclude improving the QB position. Those were your words interjected, not mine. Another disqualifier of yours. I'm quickly not a fan of dialogue with you. You don't play fair.

As for your last sentence, I'm not sure I follow but I think I get it. You don't think he'll be here. You're probably right but I will defend my opinion, and that's all it is, that I believe Revis would be a fit here. Feel free to explain the merits of how he wouldn't be welcome in a press-man coverage priority secondary...or simply continue to attack by placing words in my mouth that I didn't say. Your choice. I'm betting on the former based on what I've seen from you.

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Not sure I understand this. Savage is one of the most entertaining posters on the boards. In the 12 or so years I've seen him post I can't recall him maliciously attacking anyone.

Busting chops? Yeah, but that's all in good fun

 

[ucrenegade]

That's why I suggested the one-year rental. No drama. Did you see any in NE?

And I mention him in the scenario that the other #1 CB FA prospects are off the board. Do you not recall what happened last season? Would you like that repeated or would you take a fallback option that would be more expensive?

I know full well what happened here in the past. They tried to hammer out a long-term deal and Revis wanted full-market value appreciated to the current playing year. He wants one-year deals. He's an oddball that way and he's directed by his cousin, Sean Gilbert, king of the holdouts. That's not the issue here. It's not what I suggested but it seems I hit a nerve at the mere mention of his name.

didn't hit a nerve I don't think it is just we have more holes we need filled than wasting our money on this prima donna "can't feed my kids" on 12 m a year contract baby.

That is all he is or all he ever will be i would rather put my money on players that want to be on the team ie: cromartie and other FA possibilities.

 

[Matriculator]

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Not sure I understand this. Savage is one of the most entertaining posters on the boards. In the 12 or so years I've seen him post I can't recall him maliciously attacking anyone.

Busting chops? Yeah, but that's all in good fun

Then feel free to label me the bad guy.

I'm not here to cause trouble either but I'm not going to stand for someone twisting my words and then continuing to do so. I'm just making myself clear as to what I'm saying and trying to stay on point. I should have that right on this forum as I honor that in others.

 

[ucrenegade]

ok boys back to football talk please don't need to turn it into a pissing contest we are all fans of this cursed team lol

 

[Matriculator]

didn't hit a nerve I don't think it is just we have more holes we need filled than wasting our money on this prima donna "can't feed my kids" on 12 m a year contract baby.

That is all he is or all he ever will be i would rather put my money on players that want to be on the team ie: cromartie and other FA possibilities.

That's fine. That's your opinion. Not mine. My point (again) is if we go into this FA and not sign a premium CB like last year, don't sit there and tell me we shouldn't entertain Revis. Remember the Idzik banners? That's what that was all about. For anyone who writes off the best cover CB in the league when we're sitting on over 60M in cap space and don't sign a CB for the 2nd year in a row, they need to explain that to the fans. Or you'll probably see more banners flying with the new GM's name.

I never said he was our number one target so please don't reply as such. Please read my posts because I'm getting tired of being misrepresented here and I've fully explained myself in detail more than twice.

 

[mykcuz]

Last I heard, revis is under contract for 20 mill, and ne is reported to be very interested in restructuring his deal. They will quickly find out how fun that is! Honestly the pats are the perfect place for him to succeed. They were one or two players away from making a run, so adding a year to year mercenary like revis made sense, and does again this year for them. For us, it would be wasteful. He would be playing the remaining quality years of his career while we rebuild. We don't even have a qb!
Cro 3-4 mill, yea I'll take him for 2 years to regain respectability at that price. Maxwell, a young healthy star you can build around sure. Jackson or flowers for above average cb play at less money than maxwell or revis, sure. But i either need a low contact, or future team leader at this point. Continuity really matters in today's cba nfl.there's very limited opportunities for units to meld with the cba restricting practice.

 

[Bronx]

You think Revis was the reason they won the Bowl??:smiley-toilet05:

They don't win the super bowl w/o Revis. The don't come close to playing the defense they payed this year. They don't win the SB without him

 

[flgreen]

They don't win the super bowl w/o Revis. The don't come close to playing the defense they payed this year. They don't win the SB without him

They also don't win the Super Bowl if Pete runs the ball on 2nd down from the 6" line

 

[mykcuz]

They don't win the super bowl w/o Revis. The don't come close to playing the defense they payed this year. They don't win the SB without him

I agree, he didn't win the super bowl for them, but his acquisition/play throughout the season and playoffs had an impact. Without him they probably don't win the super bowl. Without Brady, they don't make the post season.

 

[Matriculator]

Last I heard, revis is under contract for 20 mill, and ne is reported to be very interested in restructuring his deal. They will quickly find out how fun that is! Honestly the pats are the perfect place for him to succeed. They were one or two players away from making a run, so adding a year to year mercenary like revis made sense, and does again this year for them. For us, it would be wasteful. He would be playing the remaining quality years of his career while we rebuild. We don't even have a qb!
Cro 3-4 mill, yea I'll take him for 2 years to regain respectability at that price. Maxwell, a young healthy star you can build around sure. Jackson or flowers for above average cb play at less money than maxwell or revis, sure. But i either need a low contact, or future team leader at this point. Continuity really matters in today's cba nfl.there's very limited opportunities for units to meld with the cba restricting practice.

Why would it be wasteful when we don't have a #1 CB while sitting on money for the 2nd straight season with an inability to cover WR's? Why would it not be a good signing to have a #1 CB simply because we don't have a QB in place? And who says that the Jets CAN'T get a QB? And why would we wallow in misery and not improve the team because we don't have our QB yet? What, we should curl up in the fetal position? That makes absolutely no sense to me. Why wouldn't having a solid defense led by a superior CB be beneficial towards the development of our QB, not to mention our vast pool of young developing CB's? It would give the QB in place more opportunity to succeed for one by keeping opposing offenses off the field. And why wouldn't you try to win? It's very odd logic you share with others here and it does demonstrate a valuable lesson in making business deals. That lesson is to keep emotions out of business. Because I see you and others bringing up past negotiations as if they are wounds that can never heal. Get over it. Move on. Progress. Rise above.

This is a lesson many fans cannot get over because they are the most emotionally involved and take business transactions personally. But when you have a meddling owner (who shouldn't be in on contract negotiations to begin with) getting emotionally involved (like a fan) and burning bridges towards players he doesn't like, then you've got a major business problem. And I don't see how any of you can forget just last season when the Jets could not sign a #1 CB in free agency and reports ran rampant that Revis would have played here while we sat on over 30M in cap space while we trotted out Walls and Williams as our starters for the bulk of the season. Someone needs to explain what good that did. Moreover, he went to our rivals and certainly attributed mightily towards their winning a Super Bowl. Emotions turned our season into a loser in double whammy fashion and Woody had to change the entire staff and GM as a result of not fielding a winner. And continuing to limit your options to field the most competitive team possible with guys you "like" is never good business. To use an example, the Patriots have released many players only to welcome them back and enjoy great success from those players. Why would we limit our options? Bad, bad business practice.

Now, are there other options? Yes. And I would explore those first but to block off the option of having a superstar on your team for the reasons listed when you have plenty of money, doesn't jibe with me and it shouldn't jibe with the leadership of a team that's so-called committed to win. Because this could happen again. Maxwell is nothing more than a #2 who has never faced #1 WR's and could very well be extended or reunite with Quinn...he may not be what you think he is...I will post an article for a thread topic on that. And reports are rampant that Kareem Jackson wants to stay in Houston and that the Texans badly want to extend him. Flowers could be the guy but now you're competing with everyone else and we saw how fast CB's flew off the market last year. Suppose last year plays out again and we are sitting with no CB signed in FA and guys like Patterson remain along with Revis. Are you really going to sit on your high horse and suggest we couldn't use Revis? If so, we'll simply disagree.

 

[mykcuz]

Why would it be wasteful when we don't have a #1 CB while sitting on money for the 2nd straight season with an inability to cover WR's? Why would it not be a good signing to have a #1 CB simply because we don't have a QB in place? And who says that the Jets CAN'T get a QB? And why would we wallow in misery and not improve the team because we don't have our QB yet? What, we should curl up in the fetal position? That makes absolutely no sense to me. Why wouldn't having a solid defense led by a superior CB be beneficial towards the development of our QB, not to mention our vast pool of young developing CB's? It would give the QB in place more opportunity to succeed for one by keeping opposing offenses off the field. And why wouldn't you try to win? It's very odd logic you share with others here and it does demonstrate a valuable lesson in making business deals. That lesson is to keep emotions out of business. Because I see you and others bringing up past negotiations as if they are wounds that can never heal. Get over it. Move on. Progress. Rise above.

This is a lesson many fans cannot get over because they are the most emotionally involved and take business transactions personally. But when you have a meddling owner (who shouldn't be in on contract negotiations to begin with) getting emotionally involved (like a fan) and burning bridges towards players he doesn't like, then you've got a major business problem. And I don't see how any of you can forget just last season when the Jets could not sign a #1 CB in free agency and reports ran rampant that Revis would have played here while we sat on over 30M in cap space while we trotted out Walls and Williams as our starters for the bulk of the season. Someone needs to explain what good that did. Moreover, he went to our rivals and certainly attributed mightily towards their winning a Super Bowl. Emotions turned our season into a loser in double whammy fashion and Woody had to change the entire staff and GM as a result of not fielding a winner. And continuing to limit your options to field the most competitive team possible with guys you "like" is never good business. To use an example, the Patriots have released many players only to welcome them back and enjoy great success from those players. Why would we limit our options? Bad, bad business practice.

Now, are there other options? Yes. And I would explore those first but to block off the option of having a superstar on your team for the reasons listed when you have plenty of money, doesn't jibe with me and it shouldn't jibe with the leadership of a team that's so-called committed to win. Because this could happen again. Maxwell is nothing more than a #2 who has never faced #1 WR's and could very well be extended or reunite with Quinn...he may not be what you think he is...I will post an article for a thread topic on that. And reports are rampant that Kareem Jackson wants to stay in Houston and that the Texans badly want to extend him. Flowers could be the guy but now you're competing with everyone else and we saw how fast CB's flew off the market last year. Suppose last year plays out again and we are sitting with no CB signed in FA and guys like Patterson remain along with Revis. Are you really going to sit on your high horse and suggest we couldn't use Revis? If so, we'll simply disagree.

Hate to tell you, revis is a number 2 corner. He's not what we're used to seeing, and I'm a huge fan of his.
He's not the only pro bowl caliber cb available.
And your emotional rant on emotion, is ironic. This isn't madden here, make no mistake, revis will play for who ever offers him the largest contract, but do we want to be the ones offering that contract when we can get two cbs (flowers and Cromartie). Cro knows the system, knows the coach, knows the team. His contract is small enough to be flexible in the future if he has a bad year. There is value to those things.

First with revis returning to the jets, with Rex gone, he would only return for a max contract. Second, he's our past not our future. Third, we don't know what Bowles is thinking, he's the one determining worth mac, what players he wants.

 

[Elias]

Hate to tell you, revis is a number 2 corner. He's not what we're used to seeing, and I'm a huge fan of his.
He's not the only pro bowl caliber cb available.
And your emotional rant on emotion, is ironic. This isn't madden here, make no mistake, revis will play for who ever offers him the largest contract, but do we want to be the ones offering that contract when we can get two cbs (flowers and Cromartie). Cro knows the system, knows the coach, knows the team. His contract is small enough to be flexible in the future if he has a bad year. There is value to those things.

First with revis returning to the jets, with Rex gone, he would only return for a max contract. Second, he's our past not our future. Third, we don't know what Bowles is thinking, he's the one determining worth mac, what players he wants.

I agree on everything but Revis being a number 2 corner. He's a number 1. He shuts out a half of a field. Maybe he isn't playing at his top level like he played here a few years ago but he is still considered a top five corner in this league.

 

[mykcuz]

I agree on everything but Revis being a number 2 corner. He's a number 1. He shuts out a half of a field. Maybe he isn't playing at his top level like he played here a few years ago but he is still considered a top five corner in this league.

He wasn't used as a 1, bellicheck moved him around, switched to zone, often lined up with 2's.
Not like rexs,line up against the 1 and hold him to 0 catches.

 

[Matriculator]

Hate to tell you, revis is a number 2 corner. He's not what we're used to seeing, and I'm a huge fan of his.
He's not the only pro bowl caliber cb available.
And your emotional rant on emotion, is ironic. This isn't madden here, make no mistake, revis will play for who ever offers him the largest contract, but do we want to be the ones offering that contract when we can get two cbs (flowers and Cromartie). Cro knows the system, knows the coach, knows the team. His contract is small enough to be flexible in the future if he has a bad year. There is value to those things.

First with revis returning to the jets, with Rex gone, he would only return for a max contract. Second, he's our past not our future. Third, we don't know what Bowles is thinking, he's the one determining worth mac, what players he wants.

I'm going to summarize my position for you because it's clear you didn't read (or understand) my post:
Yes, Revis will get paid. No one disputes this. As for his pay - he prefers one-year, maximum market value contracts, not long-term deals which depreciate.
Emotions are not for business - I'm not emotional about Revis...so there's no irony whatsoever.
I want him only if all options are off the table. I never mentioned Revis as a Madden acquisition. He was available to us last year. The Jets can afford him. The Jets can use him. No fantasy there, no Madden. These are real events. Did you see the secondary last year? They could have used him. I don't think that's in dispute. Or is it?

And once again, I will repeat, and follow along here please: never did I claim he is our first option. Try to stay with me here: he is NOT our first option. I'm not sure why you and others are jumping to this conclusion when I've never said this. I think you and others are emotionally going ape at the mention of his name.
I will repeat my position: if all other viable #1 CB's are off the board, I would strongly consider him due to the money available to us and not to repeat last year's folly with Patterson or someone of his ilk. Unless you think that's a viable option. My first options are Flowers, Maxwell and Jackson. Repeat, my first options are Flowers, Maxwell and Jackson.
But as we saw last year, Vontae Davis, Alterraun Verner and others were snatched up very quickly.
So I'll ask you what no one else countering my position has dared answer: would you pass on Revis when/if all other viable #1 CB's are off the market?

And BTW, I can't even fathom your belief that Revis is a #2 CB which is contradictory to your admittance that he will be very highly compensated. Maybe it's you that's emotional here.

 

[ucrenegade]

I would just because we don't need headaches like that when bowles and big mac are coming in and trying to build something here I would gladly go in the season with cromartie, davon house, and milner and one of them would emerge as the number 1. Crom and house could prob be had for less than revis also.

 

[mykcuz]

Why would it be wasteful when we don't have a #1 CB while sitting on money for the 2nd straight season with an inability to cover WR's? Why would it not be a good signing to have a #1 CB simply because we don't have a QB in place? And who says that the Jets CAN'T get a QB? And why would we wallow in misery and not improve the team because we don't have our QB yet? What, we should curl up in the fetal position? That makes absolutely no sense to me. Why wouldn't having a solid defense led by a superior CB be beneficial towards the development of our QB, not to mention our vast pool of young developing CB's? It would give the QB in place more opportunity to succeed for one by keeping opposing offenses off the field. And why wouldn't you try to win? It's very odd logic you share with others here and it does demonstrate a valuable lesson in making business deals. That lesson is to keep emotions out of business. Because I see you and others bringing up past negotiations as if they are wounds that can never heal. Get over it. Move on. Progress. Rise above.

This is a lesson many fans cannot get over because they are the most emotionally involved and take business transactions personally. But when you have a meddling owner (who shouldn't be in on contract negotiations to begin with) getting emotionally involved (like a fan) and burning bridges towards players he doesn't like, then you've got a major business problem. And I don't see how any of you can forget just last season when the Jets could not sign a #1 CB in free agency and reports ran rampant that Revis would have played here while we sat on over 30M in cap space while we trotted out Walls and Williams as our starters for the bulk of the season. Someone needs to explain what good that did. Moreover, he went to our rivals and certainly attributed mightily towards their winning a Super Bowl. Emotions turned our season into a loser in double whammy fashion and Woody had to change the entire staff and GM as a result of not fielding a winner. And continuing to limit your options to field the most competitive team possible with guys you "like" is never good business. To use an example, the Patriots have released many players only to welcome them back and enjoy great success from those players. Why would we limit our options? Bad, bad business practice.

Now, are there other options? Yes. And I would explore those first but to block off the option of having a superstar on your team for the reasons listed when you have plenty of money, doesn't jibe with me and it shouldn't jibe with the leadership of a team that's so-called committed to win. Because this could happen again. Maxwell is nothing more than a #2 who has never faced #1 WR's and could very well be extended or reunite with Quinn...he may not be what you think he is...I will post an article for a thread topic on that. And reports are rampant that Kareem Jackson wants to stay in Houston and that the Texans badly want to extend him. Flowers could be the guy but now you're competing with everyone else and we saw how fast CB's flew off the market last year. Suppose last year plays out again and we are sitting with no CB signed in FA and guys like Patterson remain along with Revis. Are you really going to sit on your high horse and suggest we couldn't use Revis? If so, we'll simply disagree.

The way you worded this post, you seemed to be defending revis in rebuttal to my comment that I'd prefer someone younger on a longer deal. I didn't suggest I'd never take revis, I said I preferred others ahead of him. I never said do nothing, nor have I seen any other members suggest staying put with our cb's is acceptable. With idzik gone, I am 100%confident we will have 2cb starters added through fa or draft.

I never said, we will never have a qb or suggest giving up. What I was saying is that we will have a temporary veteran stop gap this year, any drafted qb will need time to mature. You hope we draft a Brady type sleeper, but you don't plan on it. That means our qb play should improve each year, but that a 2-3 season timetable is realistic to be stable with a good young qb. Finding stability and youth at the qb position is the hardest thing in the nfl. And until you have it your team is floating in nfl mediocrity, while teams with Brady, manning, Wilson, luck, Rodgers, etc will be winning the Lombardi.

Revis is unique, and properly utilized to maximize his effect by bellicheck. He has lost a step due to injury, which still leaves him as an amazing player. Ne does not play him as a number 1, and certainly not as a lock down like he was in his prime. He's all over the field and switches up wr's. However, with bellicheck's schemes, he was brilliant this year.

I honestly think if Rex was here he would have a desire to return, but as it is I think we only get him if we offer the biggest deal. So, under the premise that we need 2 years to get our qb spot right, if we're lucky, why pay Revis 13+ per year, if he's going to be older and slower, right when we hope to making deeper playoff pushes. That money would be better spent on a wr or maxwell, Jackson, flowers type.
I said that fact originally, if you agree, then why did you reply disagreeing with the premise that maxwell,etc would be the smarter signing?