If Mariota Slips to 6, Jets Should Take Him In NY Minute

[USANYJ]

To me, it comes down to which QB Gailey prefers. If he evaluates Mariota vs Foles long term success in his system, I want that guy. If he thinks he can mold Mariota a year on the bench and have him ready in year 2 to take the reigns and that's a better long term fit than Foles, I go get him #2 . If he feels Foles, maybe you work out a predraft trade with the Eagles to get them more picks in their attempts to move where they need to move in the draft. Hey, if Gaily LOVES Foles fit, why isn't that worth a second rd pick? He feels he's a franchise QB, I'd move a #2 for that.

Talking about gaily is interesting. Do to age, how long will he want to do this?

 

[Jet Fan RI]

I understand your point, but I just think that with the way the game is changing(qb driven league as opposed to when Vinny played and I think scouts are more aware of qb's then ever before which is why I wouldn't expect another Brady/Warner occurrence), you need to develop a young qb to have championship aspirations. From everything that I've heard prior to the Combine(and reinforced at the Combine), Mariota has off the charts intangibles. For the qb position that carries enormous weight. With the rookie wage scale, absent a blockbuster trade, I think he's worth the risk.

The thing is, Mariota probably won't even be there at 6. So what do you do then? I'm pretty sure you'll say to fill the holes with the draft picks. So we're only disagreeing on whether Mariota is worth the risk. I think he will turn into another Testaverde. Still in the league in 10 years, but no big achievements to show for it. And if he does win a SB, I think it will be like Plunkett: With a different team and many years after he was drafted.

 

[ucrenegade]

Talking about gaily is interesting. Do to age, how long will he want to do this?

not sure but i bet a few years anyway and in that time he can have a disciple to teach his ways.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

I am not mac knows one thing and that is scouting he has been doing it for 20 something years, this is not a tanny or idzick type GM this is a man who has been there done that found good players everywhere in the draft in all aspects whether it be stars, starters, or just good depth players he has done it all.

Well, I am hopeful about the new guys too. But I have to warn you, I was hopeful about Sanchez and Rex and so many other guys my head is spinning. As you know, being hopeful was not rewarded with any SB's. But I sure hope you are right.

 

[sg3]

The thing is, Mariota probably won't even be there at 6. So what do you do then? I'm pretty sure you'll say to fill the holes with the draft picks. So we're only disagreeing on whether Mariota is worth the risk. I think he will turn into another Testaverde. Still in the league in 10 years, but no big achievements to show for it. And if he does win a SB, I think it will be like Plunkett: With a different team and many years after he was drafted.

And I think he'll turn into Brady Bradshaw or Montana with multiple Lombardis

Hopefully he'll do it for the Jets

 

[flgreen]

Talking about gaily is interesting. Do to age, how long will he want to do this?

He doesn't have to make any tackles, he can do this for a long time. Particularly at the level of OC. it doesn't have any where near the pressure of HC

 

[hobson54]

And you're not worried about the possibility that they may look at Mariota through rose-colored glasses and rate him too high because of the Heisman? Do you think there is a chance that any of those teams who drafted Heisman QB's who were busts using high picks may have done so for that reason?

well if this is the case, we are screwed. if macc and his staff are making picks based on college awards and not evaluation of film, then it doesn't matter who we pick as we will not be a good team.

i understand that this is macc's first time in the big boy chair and we have an unproven front office and coaching staff. but i'm not gonna worry that they may take someone because he won the heisman. i'm going under the assumption he is a professional scout who has been in this business a long time and won't let something as superfluous as collecting heisman trophy winners dictate his drafting and team building strategy.

i won't pretend to be a pro scout, but i can tell you in my amateur eyes, it was easy to see how tebow couldn't actually throw a forward pass, how manzeil was an undersized wild child likely to flame out, and how leinart was a pedestrian party boy QB surrounded by ridiculous talent that didn't have what it takes to make it in the nfl. there are legit concerns about how mariota will transition from a spread attack to the pros. but if you look around college, most of the top teams and QBs are running some type of spread, so this is something scouts will need to deal with a lot going forward. so i can't say mariota will or will not be able to make that transition. but i'm a lot more likely to pick him then i ever would have with tebow, manzeil or leinart. he's got a lot of very good skills, is athletic, has good size, throws the ball well, and seems like a hard working, dedicated humble kid. i can't answer the question of whether he will transition successfully to the pro game. that is what nfl scouts will have to figure out.

 

[ucrenegade]

Well, I am hopeful about the new guys too. But I have to warn you, I was hopeful about Sanchez and Rex and so many other guys my head is spinning. As you know, being hopeful was not rewarded with any SB's. But I sure hope you are right.

yeah i agree but after year 2 of rex i knew what he was, bowles and mac give me a real sense of knowing football since parcells came aboard.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

well if this is the case, we are screwed. if macc and his staff are making picks based on college awards and not evaluation of film, then it doesn't matter who we pick as we will not be a good team.

i understand that this is macc's first time in the big boy chair and we have an unproven front office and coaching staff. but i'm not gonna worry that they may take someone because he won the heisman. i'm going under the assumption he is a professional scout who has been in this business a long time and won't let something as superfluous as collecting heisman trophy winners dictate his drafting and team building strategy.

i won't pretend to be a pro scout, but i can tell you in my amateur eyes, it was easy to see how tebow couldn't actually throw a forward pass, how manzeil was an undersized wild child likely to flame out, and how leinart was a pedestrian party boy QB surrounded by ridiculous talent that didn't have what it takes to make it in the nfl. there are legit concerns about how mariota will transition from a spread attack to the pros. but if you look around college, most of the top teams and QBs are running some type of spread, so this is something scouts will need to deal with a lot going forward. so i can't say mariota will or will not be able to make that transition. but i'm a lot more likely to pick him then i ever would have with tebow, manzeil or leinart. he's got a lot of very good skills, is athletic, has good size, throws the ball well, and seems like a hard working, dedicated humble kid. i can't answer the question of whether he will transition successfully to the pro game. that is what nfl scouts will have to figure out.

Well if you can honestly say those were your thoughts before those guys were drafted, I am really impressed. And it looks like you have a better "bust-o-meter" than a lot of pro scouts and GM's. If so, do you think you should consider a change of profession? Of course, making the right call under the gun might be a bit tougher than doing it as a fan. And oh, have you had any blown calls?

 

[hobson54]

Well if you can honestly say those were your thoughts before those guys were drafted, I am really impressed. And it looks like you have a better "bust-o-meter" than a lot of pro scouts and GM's. If so, do you think you should consider a change of profession? Of course, making the right call under the gun might be a bit tougher than doing it as a fan. And oh, have you had any blown calls?

i'm not pretending to be smarter than scouts. but those were easy one in my mind.

of course, i am one who applauded taking vernon gholston, so that should disqualify me from all draft talk... :smiley-violent036:


i saw him dominate my michigan team (and an o-line anchored by jake long) and thought he would be great as a 3-4 OLB. so yeah, i'd call that a blown call... :smiley-toilet05:

 

[Jet Fan RI]

i'm not pretending to be smarter than scouts. but those were easy one in my mind.

of course, i am one who applauded taking vernon gholston, so that should disqualify me from all draft talk... :smiley-violent036:


i saw him dominate my michigan team (and an o-line anchored by jake long) and thought he would be great as a 3-4 OLB. so yeah, i'd call that a blown call... :smiley-toilet05:

There's probably no way you could have known about the steroids...Or were those before and after pix around before the draft?

 

[ucrenegade]

i'm not pretending to be smarter than scouts. but those were easy one in my mind.

of course, i am one who applauded taking vernon gholston, so that should disqualify me from all draft talk... :smiley-violent036:


i saw him dominate my michigan team (and an o-line anchored by jake long) and thought he would be great as a 3-4 OLB. so yeah, i'd call that a blown call... :smiley-toilet05:

hm i saw something different i saw jake long stonewall him over and over again which is why i didn't want gholston at all and thought he would be a bust in the pros.

 

[hobson54]

hm i saw something different i saw jake long stonewall him over and over again which is why i didn't want gholston at all and thought he would be a bust in the pros.

IIRC, he had 4 sacks in that game. at least 1 if not 2 came against long. the others came from the other side. at the time, i think he set an o$u single season record (and maybe was the career leader?) in sacks. still can't believe he never recorded one in the pros.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Remember the draft when Brady Quinn was sitting at the table with his hot girlfriend, watching everyone passing him up, and some of the talking heads were so perplexed as to why?

Big picture, I don't think either Winston or Mariota is worth a top ten pick based on overall talent and flaws. I think the only reason they're going to go so high is due to the high premium on QB's in this league. Everyone's looking for their "answer" to eventually put them in the discussion for the Super Bowl. And teams are willing to gamble and lose with the QB position more than any other position.

When I look at Winston, I see Vince Young or Ben Roethlisberger. When I look at Marcus Mariota, I see David Carr or Russell Wilson. It's anyone's guess how it'll all work out.

 

[ucrenegade]

IIRC, he had 4 sacks in that game. at least 1 if not 2 came against long. the others came from the other side. at the time, i think he set an o$u single season record (and maybe was the career leader?) in sacks. still can't believe he never recorded one in the pros.

no i thought they said he got his sacks when long was resting

 

[jetfandreamer]

And you're not worried about the possibility that they may look at Mariota through rose-colored glasses and rate him too high because of the Heisman? Do you think there is a chance that any of those teams who drafted Heisman QB's who were busts using high picks may have done so for that reason?

Absolutely not. If anything. They might think less of him w the history of success of Herman winner...MAC has been around the block and im sure hes not stupid enough to overrate a player just cos he won the H eisman. Today at Combine they said Troy O Leary won best TE award. There is no way most likely he will be best Te in this class. They will evaluate his tape. His measurable. And probably most of all his intelligence and mental makeup. Geno Is a phenomenal athlete. And for the most part can make all the throws. But unfortunately I just think hes not the sharpest knife in the drawer which sabatoges him

 

[ucrenegade]

Absolutely not. If anything. They might think less of him w the history of success of Herman winner...MAC has been around the block and im sure hes not stupid enough to overrate a player just cos he won the H eisman. Today at Combine they said Troy O Leary won best TE award. There is no way most likely he will be best Te in this class. They will evaluate his tape. His measurable. And probably most of all his intelligence and mental makeup. Geno Is a phenomenal athlete. And for the most part can make all the throws. But unfortunately I just think hes not the sharpest knife in the drawer which sabatoges him

this and on the flip-side in chan's system you don't usually have to be the sharpest knife in the drawer if their is two coaches that can get something out of geno it is chan gailey and chip kelly.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

Absolutely not. If anything. They might think less of him w the history of success of Herman winner...MAC has been around the block and im sure hes not stupid enough to overrate a player just cos he won the H eisman. Today at Combine they said Troy O Leary won best TE award. There is no way most likely he will be best Te in this class. They will evaluate his tape. His measurable. And probably most of all his intelligence and mental makeup. Geno Is a phenomenal athlete. And for the most part can make all the throws. But unfortunately I just think hes not the sharpest knife in the drawer which sabatoges him

I wish I had your confidence in mac. Right now I only have high hopes. But I always have high hopes concerning the Jets.

Glad to see your positive comments on Geno, other than his IQ. But is it possible you are interpreting a lack of experience as a lack of smarts? The former is correctable, the latter isn't.

 

[jetfandreamer]

I wish I h. But some of his baffling throws your confidence in mac. Right now I only have high hopes. But I always have high hopes concerning the Jets.

Glad to see your positive comments on Geno, other than his IQ. But is it possible you are interpreting a lack of experience as a lack of smarts? The former is correctable, the latter isn't.

I guess some what w the experience but sometimes w his baffling throws in traffic and his inability to just throw the ball away and avoid knocking jets out of fg range many times seems to be something that shud come a little more natural. I also thought the pass and the play call in general of that First play against chicago on mon night when the screen was intercepted for a TD was mind numbing and really setmthemJets back big time in that game

 

[Jet Fan RI]

I guess some what w the experience but sometimes w his baffling throws in traffic and his inability to just throw the ball away and avoid knocking jets out of fg range many times seems to be something that shud come a little more natural. I also thought the pass and the play call in general of that First play against chicago on mon night when the screen was intercepted for a TD was mind numbing and really setmthemJets back big time in that game

Hey, most, if not all, of what you point out sounds correctable to me. And I find his perfect QB rating against the Fins in the last game very encouraging,

But as I said, I am always hopeful about the Jets.