NFL VP: Changing PI to 15-yard penalty a possibility

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Thoughts on this? I kind of disagree of making a PI into a 15-yard penalty because if I was the defender and I am getting beat deep, I will almost certainly cheat by tripping him up.

Rams coach and longtime NFL Competition Committee member Jeff Fisher made it clear last week that instant replay will be a major topic of discussion when the committee convenes next week in Naples, Fla.

NFL Media's Judy Battista spoke with Troy Vincent, the NFL's executive vice president for football operations, who explained that the league is receptive to change but is also hesitant to open "Pandora's Box."

"We do understand reviewing what was called on the field," Vincent said. "For a coach to potentially challenge something that was not called, we run the risk of creating fouls. 'Yeah, that was a hold. Yeah, that was an illegal hands to the face.' "

"We saw 12 different proposals on replay, which means it's something we have to look at," Vincent added. "You want to get it right but you could be creating fouls. And long term, if we start here, you just continue adding year in and year out and is that what you want? You don't want to go down the road of opening Pandora's Box and this year it's expanding this and next year it's expanding that."

Defensive pass interference enforcement is a topic to watch in the wake of the Lions' controversial playoff loss to the Cowboys. Vincent suggested an alternate solution to replay that would make PI a 15-yard penalty rather than a spot foul. There's concern that making pass interference reviewable would undermine game officials, who have to make difficult calls in real time.

"We must keep in mind that officials and players are moving at game speed, and those of us who are making decisions on rules have the luxury of slow motion video," Vincent said. "Sometimes game speed and rule changes aren't always compatible."

Giants president John Mara told Battista the proposal with the best chance to pass is allowing review of hits on defenseless receivers. Even that is far from a guarantee, however.

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Thoughts on this? I kind of disagree of making a PI into a 15-yard penalty because if I was the defender and I am getting beat deep, I will almost certainly cheat by tripping him up.



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I agree with you on that. But there are times when a spot foul clearly seems to be too severe. Perhaps they can make it a 2-level type of rule like the roughing/running into the kicker rule. Something like a flagrant foul merits a spot call, something minor getting the 15-yard variety.
 

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I agree with you on that. But there are times when a spot foul clearly seems to be too severe. Perhaps they can make it a 2-level type of rule like the roughing/running into the kicker rule. Something like a flagrant foul merits a spot call, something minor getting the 15-yard variety.

Yea, I think that would be a great solution too but then it becomes a judgment call, more difficult than the running/roughing the kicker but definitely possible to referee. I just hope "flopping" doesn't come into the NFL the way it has invaded the NBA.
 
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An excellent idea.

No more 50 yard penalties to divers

Other changes needed to DeBradyize the NFL

1. Abolish illegal contact..it's either Def Holding or nothing

2. Defensive holding..5 yards, NO automatic first down

3. Enforce Offensive holding,,,even when the Patriots are on offense
 

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Yea, I think that would be a great solution too but then it becomes a judgment call, more difficult than the running/roughing the kicker but definitely possible to referee. I just hope "flopping" doesn't come into the NFL the way it has invaded the NBA.

Absolutely. But I see nothing wrong with letting human judgment being part of the rule and the call. If the ref thinks you intentionally interfered with the reception, it's a spot foul. Otherwise, it's a 15-yarder. Makes sense to me. Could even call the two levels something like "intentional PI" vs "unintentional PI."
 

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Absolutely. But I see nothing wrong with letting human judgment being part of the rule and the call. If the ref thinks you intentionally interfered with the reception, it's a spot foul. Otherwise, it's a 15-yarder. Makes sense to me. Could even call the two levels something like "intentional PI" vs "unintentional PI."

Good point. Let's see if they go this route.
 
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An excellent idea.

No more 50 yard penalties to divers

Other changes needed to DeBradyize the NFL

1. Abolish illegal contact..it's either Def Holding or nothing

2. Defensive holding..5 yards, NO automatic first down

3. Enforce Offensive holding,,,even when the Patriots are on offense
I forgot 4) 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct to any wide receiver, tight end, running back or quarterback (yes ..YOU Brady, you cheating scumbag) who starts waving his arms after an incomplete pass calling for a flag
 

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Tough call players will sell unintentional......I agree but still guys will be pulling guys down ..especially on long Hail Marys


Of course. Same kind of thing players do all the time with the existing rules. But we just have to trust the judgment of the refs. Don't forget those guys get graded. And if they blow calls like that too much they will be gone. Reminds me of a clip of Jerry Glanville telling a ref that "NFL" means "Not For Long" if you keep makings calls like that.
 
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Thoughts on this? I kind of disagree of making a PI into a 15-yard penalty because if I was the defender and I am getting beat deep, I will almost certainly cheat by tripping him up.



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I agree with your stance. I think the current penalty of 5 yards and an automatic 1st down is harsh enough. As a side note, the competition committee is continually "fine tuning" the rules. This changes things and as an end result it blurs what the standards are for evaluating a player for their playing years and potentially the HOF. Now, I won't say that some of the changes they've made haven't made the game better, but most of it I feel is unnecessary.
I wish there were a universal standard by which a player can be determined to be HOF worthy. By the constant changing of the rules, they could never gain that transparent standard.
 
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