Becton or Zach

[Greentilldeath]

I cant figure out which one I dislike more. Zach tries hard I guess…. but he just sucks. Becton is a fat slob who is a fucking turnstyle and a penalty machine. Yep….. I think it’s Becton for me. The rest of my hatred is reserved for shithead Saleh, Woody and JD. BTW, i think I detest Saleh more than Gase …. And I never thought that possible

 

[SackExchange]

I think enough dislike can go to both. I HATED how Zach refused to take any accountability over his career. And Becton could be great, but he's lazy. I would have LOVED to have his physical skills. And he just throws his career away.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I think enough dislike can go to both. I HATED how Zach refused to take any accountability over his career. And Becton could be great, but he's lazy. I would have LOVED to have his physical skills. And he just throws his career away.

Anyone can be fat and lazy.

 

[gastineau]

Top off your hate should be Wilson at WR who doesn’t run routes right and int last night he made ZERO effort to tackle his man who got Int! He could have tackled him at least twice! He is arrogant thinks he knows everything and never wrong and has excuse for everything, it’s so bad he even argued with Rogers on sidelines over his excuse of screwing up. Wilson drops a lot of passes, complains , and accepts no responsibility when screws up and he is never wrong! Wilson at best is an average WR and shown me nothing other than he’s a pain in the side of any QB. You’ll see that next year with Rogers

 

[gastineau]

I agree Becton is unprofessional but Zach poor play after 2 seasons of games is from Jets Org. Not knowing how to develop QBs. WR Wilson fans made him think he is great right out of college and now his play is pathetic. Average WR

 

[Retired AFA]

WR Wilson is NOT average. You may not like a play or two, but he is a terrific player! Becton is Lazy and Zach just plain STINKS!

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

WR Wilson is NOT average. You may not like a play or two, but he is a terrific player! Becton is Lazy and Zach just plain STINKS!

I agree. He needs a QB and another WR to make him better. I wouldn't call him elite either, but he is definitely not average. I will judge him in year 10 of JD's rebuild.

 

[ProfessorJet]

Top off your hate should be Wilson at WR who doesn’t run routes right and int last night he made ZERO effort to tackle his man who got Int! He could have tackled him at least twice! He is arrogant thinks he knows everything and never wrong and has excuse for everything, it’s so bad he even argued with Rogers on sidelines over his excuse of screwing up. Wilson drops a lot of passes, complains , and accepts no responsibility when screws up and he is never wrong! Wilson at best is an average WR and shown me nothing other than he’s a pain in the side of any QB. You’ll see that next year with Rogers

The team, NFL and media have over-hyped Wilson from the start. At best he's a #2/#3 receiver on most good teams. No way he's a #1.

 

[hatnlvr]

Honestly Becton has gotten worse as the season has gone on (he looked better in weeks 1-7). I'm starting to wonder if it's coaching because there is not just a lack of effort but looks like ZERO attempt to actually attack the defender in front of them. If you watch the tackles both Becton and Warren are doing the same exact BS. They slap at the defenders hands in front of them and then try to reload while the defenders just brush that away and run right past them.

Why da fuq aren't they punching the defenders in the chest? There is ZERO attempt to knock them off of their path and there is never any follow through. Why not bang them and drive them back?? Why at they always backtracking?? Why are 350+ pound linemen trying to match speed with edge rushers instead of trying to physically dominate them???

This isn't an effort or ability problem, this is a consistent technique problem with every tackle we put out there.

 

[SackExchange]

Anyone can be fat and lazy.

Hey! I used to be in shape when I played!

 

[SackExchange]

Honestly Becton has gotten worse as the season has gone on (he looked better in weeks 1-7). I'm starting to wonder if it's coaching because there is not just a lack of effort but looks like ZERO attempt to actually attack the defender in front of them. If you watch the tackles both Becton and Warren are doing the same exact BS. They slap at the defenders hands in front of them and then try to reload while the defenders just brush that away and run right past them.

Why da fuq aren't they punching the defenders in the chest? There is ZERO attempt to knock them off of their path and there is never any follow through. Why not bang them and drive them back?? Why at they always backtracking?? Why are 350+ pound linemen trying to match speed with edge rushers instead of trying to physically dominate them???

This isn't an effort or ability problem, this is a consistent technique problem with every tackle we put out there.

I do wonder about Carter as OL coach. Granted, he hasn't had a fair shot to coach a healthy line. But I do have some concerns.

I will say, pass pro is a bit more complex than just punching guys in the chest. It's complex. And yes, there is a lot of hand fighting, especially with defenders who might try to rip, or swim, or bull rush. Perhaps that is why Becton is a better run blocker than he is in pass pro. There are more complexities to pass pro. One of the benefits of play action is you fire out as though you are run blocking. It puts the defensive front off balance.

Side note: If anyone has seen the movie Draft Day, they are showing film of the pass rusher. They rave about the kid's bull rush on a play when he didn't bull rush. "He absolutely bull rushed that right tackle." No he didn't. It was a lazy half-swim, half-rip, but either way, a speed move to the outside. I hate it when movies do that. If you don't know what a bull rush is, don't say it.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Hey! I used to be in shape when I played!

What about now?

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I do wonder about Carter as OL coach. Granted, he hasn't had a fair shot to coach a healthy line. But I do have some concerns.

I will say, pass pro is a bit more complex than just punching guys in the chest. It's complex. And yes, there is a lot of hand fighting, especially with defenders who might try to rip, or swim, or bull rush. Perhaps that is why Becton is a better run blocker than he is in pass pro. There are more complexities to pass pro. One of the benefits of play action is you fire out as though you are run blocking. It puts the defensive front off balance.

Side note: If anyone has seen the movie Draft Day, they are showing film of the pass rusher. They rave about the kid's bull rush on a play when he didn't bull rush. "He absolutely bull rushed that right tackle." No he didn't. It was a lazy half-swim, half-rip, but either way, a speed move to the outside. I hate it when movies do that. If you don't know what a bull rush is, don't say it.

Would Carter be part of the reason for the penalties?

 

[Tinstar]

Would Carter be part of the reason for the penalties?

Uncertainty in one’s ability to perform what’s being asked of you is the culprit here . Look, I’m no Becton apologist but this guy has never looked this lost before. There’s something fundamentally wrong with what these guys are being asked to do. They’re simply not buying what’s being sold.

 

[maxmet]

Sincerely hope both are gone.

Bring in a couple of guys who maybe are a step down on ability, but who understand the game and play hard

 

[MiJetFan]

At this point, Eh.

 

[butterscotch]

Top off your hate should be Wilson at WR who doesn’t run routes right and int last night he made ZERO effort to tackle his man who got Int! He could have tackled him at least twice! He is arrogant thinks he knows everything and never wrong and has excuse for everything, it’s so bad he even argued with Rogers on sidelines over his excuse of screwing up. Wilson drops a lot of passes, complains , and accepts no responsibility when screws up and he is never wrong! Wilson at best is an average WR and shown me nothing other than he’s a pain in the side of any QB. You’ll see that next year with Rogers

Glad you brought this up Gas...I think he could be very good to great but at this time his gave is like swiss cheese

 

[hatnlvr]

I do wonder about Carter as OL coach. Granted, he hasn't had a fair shot to coach a healthy line. But I do have some concerns.

I will say, pass pro is a bit more complex than just punching guys in the chest. It's complex. And yes, there is a lot of hand fighting, especially with defenders who might try to rip, or swim, or bull rush. Perhaps that is why Becton is a better run blocker than he is in pass pro. There are more complexities to pass pro. One of the benefits of play action is you fire out as though you are run blocking. It puts the defensive front off balance.

Side note: If anyone has seen the movie Draft Day, they are showing film of the pass rusher. They rave about the kid's bull rush on a play when he didn't bull rush. "He absolutely bull rushed that right tackle." No he didn't. It was a lazy half-swim, half-rip, but either way, a speed move to the outside. I hate it when movies do that. If you don't know what a bull rush is, don't say it.

Totally agree, but the tackles are always hand fighting and back pedaling. This isn’t an occasional technique, it is an every down fubar! And it’s every tackle they put out there which leads me to believe it’s a shitty ass technique that they are being taught and demanded to do.

 

[hatnlvr]

https://thejetpress.com/posts/ny-jets-expected-fire-maligned-offensive-coach-keith-carter-report

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

https://thejetpress.com/posts/ny-jets-expected-fire-maligned-offensive-coach-keith-carter-report

Need to fire the head coach, but I guess someone has to be made the scapegoat for drafting and picking shitty players.