The Parcells Interview (audio)

[jets82]

In six years as HC, Rex only had 2 losing seAsons. Show me a jets HC that never had 2 losing seasons in a row Nd a 4-2 play-off record. Here's a hint, you won't find one. Rex one of the best HCs the jets have ever had. Careful, your bias is showing. I don't even like Rex, but the jets haven't had many successful HCs, and none as successful as Rex in the last 46 years. Like it or not.

His record or two or three or four losing seasons wasn't this issue. It was all his garbage that came with him. Not knowing what's going on with his players on or off the field. Horrible game and time management. Funny comic press conference antics that got old real quick and made us look like morons/circus act and not a team. Not caring or knowing nothing about offense, offensive players or QBs. Not caring to develop them either. Adding insult to injury, all his dumb ass moves that he made with Tanny and probably Idzik while they were here. Call it bias if you want but I'm glad he's gone and wanted him gone when Tanny got fired.

 

[mykcuz]

That's a good post. And I think your assessment is accurate as I have been preaching the same things. Geno had no mentorship as Sanchez was competing and then disappeared when he got injured. He didn't help Geno at all. Then came Vick. Same thing. Selfish jerk that he is wanted no part is helping out the young QB. It shows who he is.
On top of this, you had a HC that devoted his entire focus on defense, blitzed mercilessly in practice, mentioned only the defense in every sentence and you had a GM who was too busy winning staring contests with FA's all the while not getting Geno the help he desperately needed for development that would have included a decent LG and viable weapons to throw to. Throw in there a meddling HC who was petty enough to change offensive game plans to be snarky towards ownership and management and you had a real mess for Geno's first two years.

I'm only surprised he looked as good as he did at the end of his time here against the Dolphins. He doesn't appear to have developed any shellshocked pocket habits. I think we're looking at a relatively clean prospect who has admittedly not learned too much by way of reading defenses but on the same token, not developed too many bad habits either.

This GM has already given him a better LG, #1 WR and solidified the defense which will in turn place far less pressure on the offense. And I expect to see a little more offensive talent added through this draft. Bringing a savvy backup QB who knows this system will help tremendously and I can only hope Fitz won't be so selfish as to not help the young QB as I think he should be clear this is a big reason he was brought here.

What are you talking about? Sanchez disappeared? He was injured in spring training and held a clipboard and was the first one at genos side every time he went to the sideline. All year long! !

 

[mykcuz]

We'll see, we had two bottom 5 (by PFT ranking) pass blocking olinemen last year in Colon and Gia and dopes like Sudfeld actually on the field in key moments losing jump balls at 6'7 to 5'10 DBs...

You also have to factor in Sanchez came from Carroll's pro style (but very simplified) offense (Carroll's offense is still a handful of plays, that INT in the super bowl was the 7th time he had called that exact play in the game...) vs Geno coming from the spread offense almost no one runs in the NFL. You also have to factor Geno needing to learn NFL footwork, terminology, and how to read defenses and look off defenders vs Sanchez who took snaps under center and only needed the mental part of the game, not the physical learning corve of a pro style offense as well as the mental parts...

Sanchez was far more NFL ready coming out of USC than Geno (or Mariota for that matter) was coming from WVU. one thing I will warn is Mariota has every wart Geno had coming out of wvu and I feel will be a bust if asked to start and learn day 1, because he'll need time to learn also...just like Geno...and 2 years wont be enough for Mariota if he isnt learning and just working on playing...

We're calling Geno a bust after 2 years, if we start Mariota day 1, I feel we will also be calling him a bust after 2 years, because that's the windows QB seem to have these days...2 seasons...

Didn't Sanchez only pay one year in college?

 

[lounap23]

Didn't Sanchez only pay one year in college?

That is correct and as Carroll said at the time he wasn't Pro Ready... Sanchez has all the qualities to be a great QB... But I really think another year in College is what he needed. Continue building on your game, mechanics, confidence etc... the maturity would have served him well. He was not ready for the NFL... Geno from certain stand points was more prepared and ready than Sanchez.

 

[mykcuz]

That is correct and as Carroll said at the time he wasn't Pro Ready... Sanchez has all the qualities to be a great QB... But I really think another year in College is what he needed. Continue building on your game, mechanics, confidence etc... the maturity would have served him well. He was not ready for the NFL... Geno from certain stand points was more prepared and ready than Sanchez.

Sanchez was drafted in the first round, 14 games after being a high school athlete.
And about 30 games between hs and the afc championship game, which he almost won against Peyton Manning .

 

[lounap23]

Sanchez was drafted in the first round, 14 games after being a high school athlete.
And about 30 games between hs and the afc championship game, which he almost won against Peyton Manning .

You don't have to make a case for Sanchez to me... I'm a supporter of the Sanchize!!! I think we clearly drafted a young QB who wasn't ready but had all the tools and we preceded to have no idea how to develop him.... I always say to make a franchise QB you have to have 3 things draft the right guy, the right coach and the right system.... I think we had the right guy... not the right system nor the right coach... and I like Rex too

 

[Superman55]

Holy crap, are we having a Sanchez vs Geno debate? I thought those days were long gone.

 

[lounap23]

Holy crap, are we having a Sanchez vs Geno debate? I thought those days were long gone.

LOL!! I think the debate now is coaching staff and being able to develop a QB...

 

[Superman55]

OK, so point out all of the studs this team had on offense in 2011? 2012? 2013? 2014?

This is so silly, you mean when did the jets have the #1 rushing attack in the entire NFL with pro bowlers TJ, Mangold, Faneca,and Brick in their prime, Braylon and Holmes in their prime (26 and 27 years old), and Keller who was Antonio gates good compared to Jeff "I never make a play" Cumberland...with that beast mode oline with hall of famer Alan Faneca. That offense? It's probably the best oline and run game the jets have ever had...at least since Curtis and Jordan were terrorizing teams under Parcells.

 

[mykcuz]

You don't have to make a case for Sanchez to me... I'm a supporter of the Sanchize!!! I think we clearly drafted a young QB who wasn't ready but had all the tools and we preceded to have no idea how to develop him.... I always say to make a franchise QB you have to have 3 things draft the right guy, the right coach and the right system.... I think we had the right guy... not the right system nor the right coach... and I like Rex too

He had schotty,who then left to work with Bradford.
I want trying to oppose your view, just conversing.

 

[Superman55]

LOL!! I think the debate now is coaching staff and being able to develop a QB...

. Well, here's how I look at that debate - if we're talking offensive side of the ball, I'd say anyone is better than Ryan who is so out of touch with that half of the game. If we were talking about the defensive side of the ball, I'd argue no coach is better than Ryan. If you want a complete HC to manage the team in it's entirety, the name Rex Ryan is never in the discussion, we can probably all agree on that.

 

[Old#15]

. Well, here's how I look at that debate - if we're talking offensive side of the ball, I'd say anyone is better than Ryan who is so out of touch with that half of the game. If we were talking about the defensive side of the ball, I'd argue no coach is better than Ryan. If you want a complete HC to manage the team in it's entirety, the name Rex Ryan is never in the discussion, we can probably all agree on that.

100% agree with that statement.

 

[jets82]

Yes we can all agree on that!

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Just curious. When was the last time Bill Parcells ripped some one publicly?

The ball is in Geno's court right now. Regardless of who says what about him. There will be Geno Apologist and there will be many such as myself who completely don't trust Geno with this highly talented team.

If Geno beats Fitz (which i find very hard to fathom) and becomes a consistent player. Not this BS week one and two amazing games then become a Jeckyl & Hyde QB then on out. Then many who lost faith on him (MEEEE) will begin to change tunes.

I just can't view this team moving forward with Geno. Especially how much Woody has invested this off season. I don't think he trusts him to become a franchise player given on what he has seen. Regardless of talent around him. If Geno was any good, he'd show some sort of flash, but he has shown absolutely nothing in two years when it matters.