Definitely Harold and Cooper. Really like both of those players.
But if you start pairing Beasley up with Green-Beckham, Gurley, Perriman, or Petty, that is a different story.
Vic Beasley vs Amari Cooper
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Definitely Harold and Cooper. Really like both of those players.
But if you start pairing Beasley up with Green-Beckham, Gurley, Perriman, or Petty, that is a different story.
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It takes two to tango.
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I've seen Beasley flash coverage skills as a player at Clemson.
Some of you flippantly write him off as if no college DE's ever translated to the 3-4 OLB position. It's done every single year. How else are you going to fill a larger OLB position? Very few teams run 3-4 defenses in college and as a result, 4-3 size OLB's rule the NCAA.
And with Beasley, he happened to be the fastest of all LB's at the combine. Gregory showed great athleticism in those drills and it's widely believed he can translate to OLB as well. I'm not sure where some of you read that Vic is a one-tricl pony. If he is, what's his trick? He had a lot of tackles, lots of sacks, lots of tackles behind the LOS, lots of hustle plays as he has a high motor. Strongest and fastest LB. That's a nice combination. It doesn't tell everything about his game but it's positive nonetheless.
Frankly, I don't think the Jets go for any of the WR's mentioned in this thread. And I can't get a vibe on who they like at OLB but I do understand they love Phillip Dorsett and I believe he will be selected with our 2nd round pick. As for our 1st, in the end I think they will settle on Alvin Dupree.
Some of you flippantly write him off as if no college DE's ever translated to the 3-4 OLB position. It's done every single year. How else are you going to fill a larger OLB position? Very few teams run 3-4 defenses in college and as a result, 4-3 size OLB's rule the NCAA.
And with Beasley, he happened to be the fastest of all LB's at the combine. Gregory showed great athleticism in those drills and it's widely believed he can translate to OLB as well. I'm not sure where some of you read that Vic is a one-tricl pony. If he is, what's his trick? He had a lot of tackles, lots of sacks, lots of tackles behind the LOS, lots of hustle plays as he has a high motor. Strongest and fastest LB. That's a nice combination. It doesn't tell everything about his game but it's positive nonetheless.
Frankly, I don't think the Jets go for any of the WR's mentioned in this thread. And I can't get a vibe on who they like at OLB but I do understand they love Phillip Dorsett and I believe he will be selected with our 2nd round pick. As for our 1st, in the end I think they will settle on Alvin Dupree.
Jet Setter, that is a very good post. Excellent, in fact.
I think what happens is you see some folks embellishing flaws or downplaying potential because they are lobbying for their guy. The idea that Beasley is a one-trick pony or can't cover is not based in anything that is reality. He displayed the athleticism and fluid hips to do a lot of different things that will be asked of him in the NFL. That is why he is one of the draft's hottest prospects. The funny thing with Beasley is that no one really questioned him being able to switch to OLB, the question with Beasley was if he was too light to be an every down NFL backer. Then he shows up to the combine at nearly 250 and looked like a beast. Now folks on this board are questioning LB being his natural position?? That was never in question. A more legitimate question is whether he can hold the weight.
I think what happens is you see some folks embellishing flaws or downplaying potential because they are lobbying for their guy. The idea that Beasley is a one-trick pony or can't cover is not based in anything that is reality. He displayed the athleticism and fluid hips to do a lot of different things that will be asked of him in the NFL. That is why he is one of the draft's hottest prospects. The funny thing with Beasley is that no one really questioned him being able to switch to OLB, the question with Beasley was if he was too light to be an every down NFL backer. Then he shows up to the combine at nearly 250 and looked like a beast. Now folks on this board are questioning LB being his natural position?? That was never in question. A more legitimate question is whether he can hold the weight.
I would say he is a one trick pony in the sense that he relies completely on his athleticism to make his plays, not technique. He is more of an speed rusher, will have trouble with stronger grown men at the next level. I am not against going for an OLB, but i think if should be in particular Randy Gregory, then Fowler or someone I am less high on in Shane Ray. The best pass rushers such as DeMarcus Ware, Terrell Suggs Clay Matthews all have a power element to their games
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Scouts point out that he uses leverage very well and he tested as the strongest (by bench press reps) of all LB's at the combine. Not a one-trick pony. In fact, quite the opposite. One of the safer picks among the pass rushing class. He's very fast - the fastest time among the LB class as well. He's quick in space which 3-4 OLB's have more of when compared to 4-3 DE's.
No, this guy is a solid pick for the Jets at #6 . With Gregory, you have concerns of his build and strength but not this kid. Ray has red flags pertaining his athleticism and ability to play in space. Not Beasley.
My pick would be Cooper, we have not had an elite WR in decades.
By elite .... I mean someone who shows up as a "Fantasty Football" stat leader week in and week out :smiley-cool11:
Come on man. I think after Gholston, it is pretty stupid to compare bench press reps to strength on the field. Being a work out warrior means little in the actual game. Also, if you look at multiple draft profiles on Beasley, a negative you will see in every one of them from cbs to mcshay to walterfootball is that he does not fight through blockers consistently, takes plays off etc.
One of Gregory's strengths is that he is a high motor player, constantly willing to go into guards and fight through blockers. That is the main reason that Richardson is already better than Wilkerson and why Coples and Gholston underachieve. You can have all the physical ability in the world, but you can't teach motor. I'd rather have the highly motivated player any day.
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Why is it stupid that I bring up strength? I didn't, you brought it up! I merely corrected you that he wasn't lacking in strength as he led all LB's with bench press lifts. I didn't say it was the most important thing in the world. In fairness, you have egg on your face. And I'm stupid??? You're the one who said he was a one-trick pony. I still would like to know what trick he owns. But I see you're just getting defensive instead of answering the question by calling me stupid. Okay. Very nice.
And then you bring Gholston into the fray?
And now you're comparing Gregory? And you are concerned that strength is an issue. He's 6'5 235. Thin as a rail. How do you think he'll hold up there if strength is such a factor? It seems contradictory but I'll wait for your reply for clarification.
Okay I did not mean to call you stupid, so my apologies if it came off that way. I meant more so that it is a bad comparison to say he can bench press this much, so he has power moves as a part of his game now. I'm no football expert, so I don't want to act like I am, but a lot of his highlight sacks are when he runs right past the tackle. Using his speed and quickness to blow by guys that won't be playing at the next level.
I mean if we pick Beasley, I am obviously going to root for him to succeed. I didn't intend for this to become a heated argument. I just think Beasley's stock is soaring now because he tore up the combine, and this happens every year with a player or two that I feel become overrated because they are work out warriors.
And with Gregory, I have kind of liked him a lot since two years ago. So I'll admit I am biased. But he is a former running back, so he definitely if fluid enough to play in space. He was a DE in college, but his lighter weight means he has to be an OLB at the next level, which is what we need. And I love his motor.
Once again, if Beasley ends up being the better player then I pray to god we pick him, and I also know I am not qualified to make the decision between the two, I would assume you aren't either. I don't mind a good ole debate every once in a while so my bad if you thought I called you stupid, but if you reread it, I meant the comparison bench press and strengh was a bad one, not your intelligence.
Beasley had 33 total sacks in 39 games. Let that sink in for a second. That's with teams gunning to take him out. You don't think he had to beat some double teams along the way?
This guy is as far from a combine warrior as it gets.
I remember a few years back I was crying for us to take Luke Kuechly. But everyone thought he wasn't athletic enough and wouldn't translate. Then he blew up the combine the same way Beasley just did. Still, everyone gave a million reasons why we shouldn't take him. Well, 2 consecutive all-pro 1st team selections later, he would look pretty good in green and white.
Why did I just tell this story? Beasley is the best LB talent (yes I know he played primarily 4-3 DE in college) that I've seen since Kuechly. Kuechly's instincts are out of this world so I don't know if Beasley will be the tackling machine Kuech is, but he will be comparably impactful.
This guy is as far from a combine warrior as it gets.
I remember a few years back I was crying for us to take Luke Kuechly. But everyone thought he wasn't athletic enough and wouldn't translate. Then he blew up the combine the same way Beasley just did. Still, everyone gave a million reasons why we shouldn't take him. Well, 2 consecutive all-pro 1st team selections later, he would look pretty good in green and white.
Why did I just tell this story? Beasley is the best LB talent (yes I know he played primarily 4-3 DE in college) that I've seen since Kuechly. Kuechly's instincts are out of this world so I don't know if Beasley will be the tackling machine Kuech is, but he will be comparably impactful.
I took Super Cooper in a tough decision only because it has been so long(if EVER) that we've had a top rush OLB. At #6 you play it safe and the safe bet is Cooper for the next 8-10 years.
Would love Eli in the 2nd and a RB/QB in the 3rd. I hear that Mannion had an outstanding OS Pro Day.
Maybe we can take a flier on the kid in the 3rd.
Would love Eli in the 2nd and a RB/QB in the 3rd. I hear that Mannion had an outstanding OS Pro Day.
Maybe we can take a flier on the kid in the 3rd.
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SuperCooper sounds like a good handle to use here.
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These tweets leave out little details like who the hell we're talking about.
I'm guessing pretty boy Kevin White? If so, big deal. He still can't beat anyone deep. It's not all about speed. Ask Stephen Hill.
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Grazie.
I have been one who has always felt that a reciever's 40 time at the Combine is an over-rated stat, in that a WR will alway be running in full gear in a game not a pair of gym shorts as he does at the Combine.
Is this really a genuine concern among scouts with Beasley? I hadn't heard about this before.
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#jetsmail #richcimini Do you think the Jets will really consider a star WR in Rd 1, or are they committed to OLB no matter what?
10:33 AM - 27 Mar 2015
@RichCimini: They're not committed to any position, I can tell you that. You raise an interesting point because there's a very good chance that Amari Cooper or Kevin White will be available. If Mariota is gone, do you take the receiver? Mike Maccagnan says he will take the best player. Well, I think most folks will tell you Cooper and White are top-5 talents, probably ahead of the pass rushers. The Jets have a nice receiving trio with Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker andJeremy Kerley, but I have to think they'd consider a receiver (especially Cooper) is he's the top guy available. It would be a tight squeeze, but let's not forget there's no financial commitment to Marshall beyond this year. It could be done.
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@RichCimini #jetsmail with Gregory's incident, which of the 3 top outside linebackers ( Ray, Fowler, Beasley) is the best fit for the NYJ ?
@RichCimini: Obviously, you're referring to Randy Gregory, who tested positive for marijuana at the scouting combine. More than that, he admitted he was a habitual user at Nebraska. As for your question, none of the edge players are ideal fits. They're all 6-foot-3 (Dante Fowler Jr. is actually a shade under), not the prototypical length you're looking for in a 3-4 outside linebacker. Vic Beasley has short arms, another concern for scouts. Shane Ray was tremendously productive at Missouri, but a closer look reveals that many of his sacks came against lesser competition. I'm not saying the Jets won't draft one of these players -- all top-15 talents -- but when you're sixth overall, you have to be careful not to force a pick to fill a need.
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#jetsmail #richcimini Do you think the Jets will really consider a star WR in Rd 1, or are they committed to OLB no matter what?
10:33 AM - 27 Mar 2015
@RichCimini: They're not committed to any position, I can tell you that. You raise an interesting point because there's a very good chance that Amari Cooper or Kevin White will be available. If Mariota is gone, do you take the receiver? Mike Maccagnan says he will take the best player. Well, I think most folks will tell you Cooper and White are top-5 talents, probably ahead of the pass rushers. The Jets have a nice receiving trio with Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker andJeremy Kerley, but I have to think they'd consider a receiver (especially Cooper) is he's the top guy available. It would be a tight squeeze, but let's not forget there's no financial commitment to Marshall beyond this year. It could be done.
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@RichCimini #jetsmail with Gregory's incident, which of the 3 top outside linebackers ( Ray, Fowler, Beasley) is the best fit for the NYJ ?
@RichCimini: Obviously, you're referring to Randy Gregory, who tested positive for marijuana at the scouting combine. More than that, he admitted he was a habitual user at Nebraska. As for your question, none of the edge players are ideal fits. They're all 6-foot-3 (Dante Fowler Jr. is actually a shade under), not the prototypical length you're looking for in a 3-4 outside linebacker. Vic Beasley has short arms, another concern for scouts. Shane Ray was tremendously productive at Missouri, but a closer look reveals that many of his sacks came against lesser competition. I'm not saying the Jets won't draft one of these players -- all top-15 talents -- but when you're sixth overall, you have to be careful not to force a pick to fill a need.