Jets receive interest on Milliner

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Are the Jets really "shopping" Milliner, or are teams inquiring about him? There's a big difference. I haven't seen anything to suggest that he's been made available via trade. Just that a few teams have been sniffing around, seeing if he's available.

I think trading Milliner would be a big mistake. You're talking about a guy who could conceivably be Revis or Cro's replacement in a few years. He's tremendously talented and would be a steal for any team offering up a middle round pick. I know he's had a few injuries here and there, but im still not convinced he's as injury prone as some suggest. How many games did he miss at Alabama? He played hurt in college.

What if a team offered you a pick in the top 40 right now? You'd say no thank you?
 

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The way I would use Milliner if I wanted to trade him, because right now his value is so low in terms of an actual player for pick swap that you would almost have to make it a conditional pick, which means it would NOT be a pick in this draft, and frankly I'm not interested in a future pick, if I'm trading Milliner I want something to show for it in this draft, so the way I would use Milliner is to SWAP PICKS if I see a player I love is getting close and I don't want to lose him. So for example, I might use Milliner and our 3 to get back into RD 2 for another player I love.

good point. Maybe you wait until after 2 preseason games to shop him after he looks recovered. A team half way through the preseason, and after the draft, may get over excited about a potential perfect fit for their gigantic hole at #1 CB and you fleece them...like the Browns did Cleveland in the Richardson deal...
 

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I'd deal him for a conditional third, that either escalates to a second or into another third based on games played. Another team has at least some protection if he never gets healthy, and the Jets are getting more back if he does.
 

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I think people are getting lost in Milliner's value versus answering your question. What round would you start really thinking about it? As of today, a 2nd rd pick would lead me to move him. Im not saying a team would be willing to give up a 2nd rd pick, but if Dallas, Chicago, Bucs, The Eagles, Washington, Oakland, Panthers, 9ers, or another team desperate called the Jets needing a CB really bad, and asked what it would take to get Milliner, I'd first say we arent ready to move him, and when they ask hypothetically if you were what would it take...a 2nd rd pick and it would be done. We have 3 CBs ahead of him and 2nd rd value for a CB coming off an Achilles is a nice swap in terms of value. Milliner may or may not be a #1 CB some day, so a 2nd rd pick back I feel would be fair comp, even if he turned into a true #1 for someone else...

Well said, my sentiments exactly
 

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I'd deal him for a conditional third, that either escalates to a second or into another third based on games played. Another team has at least some protection if he never gets healthy, and the Jets are getting more back if he does.
But if you're gonna do something like that, as Supe pointed out, its better to wait until he's healthy and hopefully flashes in the preseason or even into the regular season, at which point his value will be significantly higher than where it is now, which is about as low as it can get. If we're talking about picks in next years draft, and thats what conditional picks entails, then we might as well wait until he's healthy and SELL HIGH, as opposed to selling now and SELLING LOW.

In the meantime we still have him around in the event of another cascade of injuries at CB like last year.
 

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But if you're gonna do something like that, as Supe pointed out, its better to wait until he's healthy and hopefully flashes in the preseason or even into the regular season, at which point his value will be significantly higher than where it is now, which is about as low as it can get. If we're talking about picks in next years draft, and thats what conditional picks entails, then we might as well wait until he's healthy and SELL HIGH, as opposed to selling now and SELLING LOW.

In the meantime we still have him around in the event of another cascade of injuries at CB like last year.

True, you are selling low. Rock bottom low.

Problem is, even if he is healthy, will he have the opportunity to show it to other teams? Right now, he's probably the Jets' fourth best CB, if 100%. And how much trade value does he have if he's healthy, but unable to crack the lineup?
 

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True, you are selling low. Rock bottom low.

Problem is, even if he is healthy, will he have the opportunity to show it to other teams? Right now, he's probably the Jets' fourth best CB, if 100%. And how much trade value does he have if he's healthy, but unable to crack the lineup?

That's why in ham's scenario i said after the 2nd preseason game. he should have about 4 quarters of new film available to teams at that point.
 

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That's why in ham's scenario i said after the 2nd preseason game. he should have about 4 quarters of new film available to teams at that point.

I can certainly live with that scenario, assuming Milliner does not shatter into a million pieces in the first two August games.

But if he can be a part of a larger deal, you have to consider doing it, too.
 

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I can certainly live with that scenario, assuming Milliner does not shatter into a million pieces in the first two August games.

But if he can be a part of a larger deal, you have to consider doing it, too.

In my scenario one of the many teams with CB holes finally see after 2 presesaon games, the hole on paper is even bigger on the field. They may feel they could scheme around it, but after off season practices and 2 preseason games, they realize scheme aint fixing it...our talent is too low, and then they come calling. Again, a team that feels they're a CB away from being in the play-off hunt, think 9ers, Eagles, Panthers, ATL, Skins, Saints, Dallas, etc. They also may expect a low 2nd based on season's expectations. You know?
 

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But if he can be a part of a larger deal, you have to consider doing it, too.
Exactly SE, thats why I said if I'm gonna make a deal for him in THIS DRAFT, it has to be for something I really want like using Milliner and a pick to trade up for a prospect I love, otherwise it makes more sense to wait, because right now we're not getting anything of value for Milliner in a straight swap of Milliner for a pick.
 

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In my scenario one of the many teams with CB holes finally see after 2 presesaon games, the hole on paper is even bigger on the field. They may feel they could scheme around it, but after off season practices and 2 preseason games, they realize scheme aint fixing it...our talent is too low, and then they come calling. Again, a team that feels they're a CB away from being in the play-off hunt, think 9ers, Eagles, Panthers, ATL, Skins, Saints, Dallas, etc. They also may expect a low 2nd based on season's expectations. You know?
If I can't use Milliner as a chip to move up in this draft for a prospect I love, then this is the best alternative in my view.
 

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In my scenario one of the many teams with CB holes finally see after 2 presesaon games, the hole on paper is even bigger on the field. They may feel they could scheme around it, but after off season practices and 2 preseason games, they realize scheme aint fixing it...our talent is too low, and then they come calling. Again, a team that feels they're a CB away from being in the play-off hunt, think 9ers, Eagles, Panthers, ATL, Eagles, Dallas, etc. They also may expect a low 2nd based on season's expectations. You know?

What if a certain team was willing to part with a QB they recently acquired, and had their eye on a QB in the draft, and believed they could move up in the draft and solve a CB issue with one move? Could Milliner and the #6 pick be assets to a larger trade to bring someone...like...that...to the NYJ? It would obviously be a much bigger deal, but right now, with both front offices aggressively wheeling and dealing, I'm not ruling out anything.
 

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If we could get a 2nd round pick I would do it now and we could draft a true, healthy CB now.
 

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What if a certain team was willing to part with a QB they recently acquired, and had their eye on a QB in the draft, and believed they could move up in the draft and solve a CB issue with one move? Could Milliner and the [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=6]#6 [/URL] pick be assets to a larger trade to bring someone...like...that...to the NYJ? It would obviously be a much bigger deal, but right now, with both front offices aggressively wheeling and dealing, I'm not ruling out anything.

#6 and Milliner for Bradford and #20 ...I need a 2nd this year and a 4th next year also I think...maybe we throw in a pick or 2 some place to make them feel whole, but Bradford is worth a 2nd and 5th right now as they stand based on what they gave up...so #20 and Bradford is = to a 1st, 2nd, and a 5th...throw in a 2nd and 5th and ill include Milliner and the deal is done. if we need to send a 7 this year and a 5th rd pick next year, do it.

Final deal: #20 , #52 , a 4th next year, and Bradford for #6 and Milliner (maybe a 7th and 5th thrown in)

We'd have picks 20, 38, and 52 in the first 2 rds of the draft and Bradford... Do it. One of those picks likely a CB.
 

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#6 and Milliner for Bradford and #20 ...I need a 2nd this year and a 4th next year also I think...maybe we throw in a pick or 2 some place to make them feel whole, but Bradford is worth a 2nd and 5th right now as they stand based on what they gave up...so #20 and Bradford is = to a 1st, 2nd, and a 5th...throw in a 2nd and 5th and ill include Milliner and the deal is done. if we need to send a 7 this year and a 5th rd pick next year, do it.

Final deal: #20 , #52 , a 4th next year, and Bradford for #6 and Milliner (maybe a 7th and 5th thrown in)

We'd have picks 20, 38, and 52 in the first 2 rds of the draft and Bradford... Do it. One of those picks likely a CB.

Eagles makes sense because they love to trade for injured players.
 

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#6 and Milliner for Bradford and #20 ...I need a 2nd this year and a 4th next year also I think...maybe we throw in a pick or 2 some place to make them feel whole, but Bradford is worth a 2nd and 5th right now as they stand based on what they gave up...so #20 and Bradford is = to a 1st, 2nd, and a 5th...throw in a 2nd and 5th and ill include Milliner and the deal is done. if we need to send a 7 this year and a 5th rd pick next year, do it.

Final deal: #20 , #52 , a 4th next year, and Bradford for #6 and Milliner (maybe a 7th and 5th thrown in)

We'd have picks 20, 38, and 52 in the first 2 rds of the draft and Bradford... Do it. One of those picks likely a CB.

I could absolutely live with that deal. Would Philly do it? Question is, would it be enough for Kelly to get Mariota? He might still need to deal up from there, but it would put him in much better shape.

Of course, the front office would have to find a way to restructure deals, maybe cut a guy or two, to free up the cap space for Bradford.
 

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How bout a swap of recent first round picks who both are at their lowest point from a value POV

Milliner for Manziel

If Manziel ever gets his head out of his ass and gets serious about football, the kid has talent.
 

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How bout a swap of recent first round picks who both are at their lowest point from a value POV

Milliner for Manziel

If Manziel ever gets his head out of his ass and gets serious about football, the kid has talent.

I'd have serious worries about Johnny Manziel living near New York City. The temptations are all there.
 

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I wouldn't want the Jets to trade him. He showed his true abilities in his first year in that last month of play. He started out the season very strong but got injured after one game I believe. I believe it would be very stupid for the Jets to trade him. He can be that replacement for Cro in 2-3 years and learn from Revis and Cro on how to be that shut-down CB. He and Skrime will be fighting it out for the slot CB position and that will be great. Ain't nothing like having depth and we have that now in which we had nothing just last year. We are so strong at the position that they can let him sit for 8 games or a year if need be and when he is 100%, lets see what he has.
 
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