I was going to say pretty much the same thing. The raised fist evokes some memories of darker times and racial unrest.. to me , it seems more a symbol of defiance , than unity.
I was going to say pretty much the same thing. The raised fist evokes some memories of darker times and racial unrest.. to me , it seems more a symbol of defiance , than unity.
the raised fist has been used in unions worldwide as a symbol of solidarity and unity since there were unions.
And also, as you point out, for other things. I would say that, to you and anyone who regularly comes here, intent matters.
I admit, I find it odd that the fist is deeply offensive without consideration for context or intent. Isn't that tantamount to finding kids in sheets on Halloween deeply offensive? I think you have to consider the context and the intent.
I do think the fist could be softened to seem less threatening; it could be misconstrued as a martial arts or MMA-related. And I think from a marketing perspective, there's got to be some football ID in there - the image will stand alone often, and if it doesn't say "New York Jets Football" on first glance (I know it can't literally say that, so it has to say it visually), then it's not doing its job.
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The rights to non-news use of an actual photo of the moment would be the property of the photographer, publication, estate, etc. A drawing of a raised hand with the index finger extended in a similar manner is fine. Nobody owns the rights to that moment. Just don't take the original and manipulate it digitally to look like a drawing, that could be considered use of the photo. If you have it drawn from a *slightly* different angle, you're bulletproof. And Jets fans will know what it is.
EDIT: There are 5 different angles on the first group of results, I think you could pull it off.
https://www.google.com/search?q=joe+namath+super+bowl+finger
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If you have it drawn from a *slightly* different angle, you're bulletproof. And Jets fans will know what it is.
I agree with this assement
I agree with this assement
Hey check your pm! Thanks for the clarification on the copyrights
HYATT™'s first impression was that of the Union solidarity fist, (long-time Carpenters Union member, among others), but that symbol was born out of a life and death, literally, struggle and it DOES symbolize a willingness to commit violence in fighting back to protect Union rights - INTENTIONALLY so.
The very next thought was of the 1968 Summer Olympics moment, again, a symbol of solidarity but one with implicit connotations of a willingness to commit mayhem if the rights of those displaying it are not respected.
The upraised fist clutching an AK-47 may not be exactly the same, but the similarity DOES raise an unconscious association with terrorism and nationalist struggles, globally, as it's been used by many rebel groups, over time.
As a person who isn't prone to knee-jerk reactions and always tries to consider all aspects of things, after a lengthy consideration of the fist image, HYATT™ does not find it to be a suitable one for this forum - especially considering events surrounding & prompting the forum's origination & the sort of trolling in general that occurs on football sites.
Also, consider what J-F-U looks like. (F-You) :smiley-violent001:
HYATT™ also understands the reluctance of the originator of the fist idea to consider sentiments standing against the fist idea to be AS valid as their own intent in using it.
Mothers always let their children grow up to be cowboys, even though they hate the danger inherent in the profession.
HYATT™ agrees design by committee is not always a sensible thing, but HYATT™ also does not see any immediate urgency in creating and finalizing the site logo.
Perhaps more time and consideration is still in order.
Not too much, but enough that people have a bit longer opportunity to try and come up with other ideas.
This WAS a pretty rushed job, for a community-approved undertaking.
An ellipse is a better idea than a circle, because it looks like both a football and the Jets logo.
Adding laces to the top of the ellipse is also an improvement on a simple ellipse.
There is a somewhat lesser merit to the idea of the cityscape appearing atop the ellipse instead of inside it, largely because it enables more detail to go INSIDE the ellipse.
The NYC skyline isn't a bad idea, especially as it's seen from the NEW JERSEY side of the river, but recognize that it does inhibit and limit the choice of what else goes into the ellipse, including the name of the forum.
Fonts that have slanted or irregular edges tend to be harder to read - especially at a distance.
Clarity and instant recognition would seem to be a more prudent governing criteria for a font selection, even if it tends to be somewhat generic-looking.
Overall, not saying HYATT™ could do any better, but surely the designer can.
LOL @ the bong logo.
At first I thought it was a bomb with 2 lit fuses, until a double-take revealed the cannabis leaves.
The very next thought was of the 1968 Summer Olympics moment, again, a symbol of solidarity but one with implicit connotations of a willingness to commit mayhem if the rights of those displaying it are not respected.
The upraised fist clutching an AK-47 may not be exactly the same, but the similarity DOES raise an unconscious association with terrorism and nationalist struggles, globally, as it's been used by many rebel groups, over time.
As a person who isn't prone to knee-jerk reactions and always tries to consider all aspects of things, after a lengthy consideration of the fist image, HYATT™ does not find it to be a suitable one for this forum - especially considering events surrounding & prompting the forum's origination & the sort of trolling in general that occurs on football sites.
Also, consider what J-F-U looks like. (F-You) :smiley-violent001:
HYATT™ also understands the reluctance of the originator of the fist idea to consider sentiments standing against the fist idea to be AS valid as their own intent in using it.
Mothers always let their children grow up to be cowboys, even though they hate the danger inherent in the profession.
HYATT™ agrees design by committee is not always a sensible thing, but HYATT™ also does not see any immediate urgency in creating and finalizing the site logo.
Perhaps more time and consideration is still in order.
Not too much, but enough that people have a bit longer opportunity to try and come up with other ideas.
This WAS a pretty rushed job, for a community-approved undertaking.
An ellipse is a better idea than a circle, because it looks like both a football and the Jets logo.
Adding laces to the top of the ellipse is also an improvement on a simple ellipse.
There is a somewhat lesser merit to the idea of the cityscape appearing atop the ellipse instead of inside it, largely because it enables more detail to go INSIDE the ellipse.
The NYC skyline isn't a bad idea, especially as it's seen from the NEW JERSEY side of the river, but recognize that it does inhibit and limit the choice of what else goes into the ellipse, including the name of the forum.
Fonts that have slanted or irregular edges tend to be harder to read - especially at a distance.
Clarity and instant recognition would seem to be a more prudent governing criteria for a font selection, even if it tends to be somewhat generic-looking.
Overall, not saying HYATT™ could do any better, but surely the designer can.
LOL @ the bong logo.
At first I thought it was a bomb with 2 lit fuses, until a double-take revealed the cannabis leaves.
Thanks Hyatt for your thoughts. We didn't Rush the logo we just unveiled it now but have been thinking of it for a while. It's like when a product goes through a focus group. Seemed like this one failed, prob be a bad idea if we go through w it if we were a big business but obviously this is just a hobby so depending on our discussions we'll see how it goes.
You didn't tell us about your thoughts on the namath guarantee finger instead of the fist.
You didn't tell us about your thoughts on the namath guarantee finger instead of the fist.
Well I don't think I can put into words my reaction to that symbol. It was immediate, almost like blind rage. The moment I saw it my thoughts were along the lines of "if this place is using that as a symbol, I'm outta here." So I don't think the Halloween analogy is apt, but I really don't think I am able to explain it.
Still, if I feel that way, I suspect there may be others who feel that way too. Would it be wise to choose a symbol for the group that might instill visceral negative reactions in some viewers?
That's pretty awesome. Could be our alternate logo and unveil it when the jets where their Titan jerseys
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wrong finger it is supposed to be index not middle lol
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Uh-huh, riiiiiiiight roger.
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Elias, not particularly enamored with the whole #1 finger to begin with.
Thought it was a stupid foam rubber prank when it started in Iowa in '71 and haven't changed my opinion on it since.
What's really funny about this is that the letters could stand for other words than those indicated. For example, "J" could mean "Just". I'll leave it to the reader's imagination to fathom what "FU" might stand for.
Thnx for your input
I just think of militancy, too. Regardless of your politics, it just seems to not represent what the board is about. I like a more "brotherhood" symbol like a hand shake or fist bump myself. The Jet symbol is good too, but like someone else noted, probably not a good idea set against the skyscraper background. Wouldn't be appropriate.
I think he meant the iconic image of Bway Joe leaving the field after SBIII, finger aloft.
Instead of United since this is almost a carbon copy of JI RIP, Jets Outsider could have worked..LOL
That would have been pretty funny. Wish we thought of it earlier.