Westhoff: The job I did doesn't exist today

Elias

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Nice read. I miss Westhoff. He tells it like it is and was a damn good coach.

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Former New York Jets special-teams coordinator Mike Westhoff, who retired after the 2012 season, has turned down several opportunities to return to coaching. He enjoys his job as a TV and radio analyst, but there's more to it than that.

"The job I did doesn't exist today," he said in a phone interview. "What do you want me to coach, touchbacks? Not interested."

Westhoff is right. Rules changes have turned the kicking game into Special Teams Lite. By his count, there are only eight to 10 "action" plays per game, down from 18.

Specifically, the touchback rate reached an all-time high last season (50.3 percent), watering down one of the most exciting plays in the game -- the kickoff return. Westhoff built his reputation, in part, because of his uncanny success on kickoff returns. In 2012, the kickoff was moved out to the 35-yard line to reduce head injuries -- more touchbacks, fewer collisions -- although Westhoff suspects the concussion rate under the old rule wasn't as high as feared.

Frankly, the PAT is a waste of time (a 99.3-percent success rate last season), so the league is exploring ways to improve what is now a non-competitive play. The competition committee expressed optimism at the league meetings earlier this week that a new PAT format will be approved by May.

You've heard the expression, "He outkicked his coverage." These days, kickers are outkicking the rules. They're too good.

"Kicking has become easier today," said Westhoff, who coached 30 years in the NFL. "The kickers are bigger, stronger and better athletes than before. We always used to picture a little soccer guy like Matt Bahr, but that's not true today. The kids are bigger and better. If you don't have a 90 percent [success] guy, you'd better have your eyes open."

Other factors have contributed, according to Westhoff: The snaps are almost always perfect. Long-snappers no longer have to worry about an opponent lining up directly over them -- another safety-related rule change. The "get-off" time on a placement has gone from 1.33 seconds to 1.23, per Westhoff's calculations, making it harder to block a kick.

Stadium configurations, too, have helped kickers. Westhoff recalled the old days at Giants Stadium, where the notorious wind was a huge factor. That's not the case at MetLife Stadium.

"Now," he said, "it's benign."

Westhoff is a traditionalist, but he believes it's "reasonable" to move PATs to the 15-yard line, which would create a 32- or 33-yard kick. That's one of the proposals on the table. Even that distance is a gimme for some kickers, as 10 teams converted 100 percent of their field goals in the 30-39 range last season.

He'd also like to see the goal posts narrowed by a yard, raising the degree of difficulty. Westhoff, who does some consulting on the side, brought that idea to the FXFL developmental league last year. The league liked it, he said, but it simply didn't have the money to change the goal posts.

Westhoff also has proposed the idea of a kicking hash for field goal attempts, creating "a slightly smaller target from slightly wider angle. That will bring kicking percentages back to where they should be and make it a little more difficult."

That, of course, would affect third-down play calling. Teams would be hesitant to run plays outside the hashmarks, knowing they'd have a tougher field goal if the ball ends up getting pushed out to the kicking hash.

Clearly, the league has a lot to consider, starting with the PAT. It's the most nondescript play in football, yet so complex. Westhoff is certain about one thing: He's not in favor of the nine-point play proposed by the Indianapolis Colts.

"That would junk up the game," he said. "It would create a carnival-type image."

Extra-point changes possible for 2015
Several proposals to change the extra point will be considered by NFL owners in May. Some of the ideas discussed at these meetings include:

• placing the ball on the 1 1/2-yard line instead of the 2-yard line where PAT attempts are now attempted to encourage teams to try for a two-point conversion;

• moving all extra-point attempts to the 15-yard line;

• allowing teams to choose between trying for two at the 1½ or attempting a PAT kick at the 15-yard line;

• eliminating the PAT kicks entirely, requiring teams to run a play from scrimmage;

• allowing the defense to score, as in college football, if the ball is turned over on a two-point try.

Now we have a new hot-button issue: What to do with the extra point?
 
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Westhoff was a great coach. He was very innovative and ahead of his time to some respects. I also loved his no nonsense attitude. If you really wanted to become a good ST player in this league and you were willing to work, Mike Westhoff could make something out of most anything.

I am actually still disgusted that the Jets didn't interview him for the HC job. I think that's one of those jobs he would come back for. I think he would make an excellent HC. He knows talent when he sees it, he also knows how to put players in position to do what they do the best, I think he would have known great assistants and would lure them away from wherever they currently were working.

But more than ever, he's a Jets coach and therefore, simply out of courtesy if for no other reason, he should have gotten an interview for the HC job.
 

jetfandreamer

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Westhoff was a great coach. He was very innovative and ahead of his time to some respects. I also loved his no nonsense attitude. If you really wanted to become a good ST player in this league and you were willing to work, Mike Westhoff could make something out of most anything.

I am actually still disgusted that the Jets didn't interview him for the HC job. I think that's one of those jobs he would come back for. I think he would make an excellent HC. He knows talent when he sees it, he also knows how to put players in position to do what they do the best, I think he would have known great assistants and would lure them away from wherever they currently were working.

But more than ever, he's a Jets coach and therefore, simply out of courtesy if for no other reason, he should have gotten an interview for the HC job.


At this point in his life w his age and health..I don't know if he would have been interested.....

but to the point....I hate the NFL for taking Special teams and neutering them..

I really don't care about the "health concerns" its football..and men that play this know the risks.....pretty soon they will just eliminate all KO and have team take it at 25....and XP will be automatic...
 

soj

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Mike was a good coach but his last few years were average at best....
 
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sg3

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At this point in his life w his age and health..I don't know if he would have been interested.....

but to the point....I hate the NFL for taking Special teams and neutering them..

I really don't care about the "health concerns" its football..and men that play this know the risks.....pretty soon they will just eliminate all KO and have team take it at 25....and XP will be automatic...

Easy for somebody say sitting behind their computer

Ask Al Toon, Wayne Chrebet and hundreds of other former NFL player with lifetime head and other injuries if they agree with you about not caring about "health concerns"
 

jetfandreamer

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Easy for somebody say sitting behind their computer

Ask Al Toon, Wayne Chrebet and hundreds of other former NFL player with lifetime head and other injuries if they agree with you about not caring about "health concerns"

It is easier for me to say..and I am on my computer..but I also played up to 2 years in college..and know the risks.I had a cpl concussions..but hey I still wanted to play..and I had no money on it......there are certain health concerns you can address from an equipment standpoint..but trying to legislate it out from a traditional way the game was meant to be played.. is fairly impossible and for the most part impractical..if you still want "NFL FOOTBALL
it is not pop warner league where things should be modified..these grown men sign contracts for millions of dollars with no gun to their head.....and there is NO GUARANTEE they wont get hurt or severly impacted by playing it..they should make every NFL player that signs a contract..also sign a waiver saying I AM AWARE OF THE RISKS and WILL NOT SUE if anything happens....

Those players will probably agree with the premise of my argument....if you want to really legislate it..make a rule if you even get ONE concussion..you can never play again..see how many players admit that when time comes...
 
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ucrenegade

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moving all extra-point attempts to the 15-yard line;


this and maybe the hastag rule are the only ones i would consider.
 

Fudbutter

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Move the PAT back to the 20

Scrap the two point conversion and replace with 4 point conversion from the 20. Defense can score on missed attempts

Move the KO line to the 30

Problem now is that the team scores, a PAT is made (practically automatic) and you get several minutes of commercials. Cut to the KO and a touch back and you get several more minutes of commercials. ZZZZZZZZ ...

Whatever is done, this needs to be fixed
 

mykcuz

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It is easier for me to say..and I am on my computer..but I also played up to 2 years in college..and know the risks.I had a cpl concussions..but hey I still wanted to play..and I had no money on it......there are certain health concerns you can address from an equipment standpoint..but trying to legislate it out from a traditional way the game was meant to be played.. is fairly impossible and for the most part impractical..if you still want "NFL FOOTBALL
it is not pop warner league where things should be modified..these grown men sign contracts for millions of dollars with no gun to their head.....and there is NO GUARANTEE they wont get hurt or severly impacted by playing it..they should make every NFL player that signs a contract..also sign a waiver saying I AM AWARE OF THE RISKS and WILL NOT SUE if anything happens....

Those players will probably agree with the premise of my argument....if you want to really legislate it..make a rule if you even get ONE concussion..you can never play again..see how many players admit that when time comes...
You can't sign away rights. Those waivers are worthless.
 

mykcuz

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Move the PAT back to the 20

Scrap the two point conversion and replace with 4 point conversion from the 20. Defense can score on missed attempts

Move the KO line to the 30

Problem now is that the team scores, a PAT is made (practically automatic) and you get several minutes of commercials. Cut to the KO and a touch back and you get several more minutes of commercials. ZZZZZZZZ ...

Whatever is done, this needs to be fixed
Exactly what we hate (commercials) is what the nfl is looking to increase. Don't count on them reducing commercials.
 
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