Matt Simms

[Superman55]

Actually the point of the thread that I started was that Simms should be given a fair chance to compete with Smith, because Smith hasn't shown anything to guarantee him anything.

The thread took a dramatic turn off topic when you started with the usual badly veiled personal attack,

"See how jaded Smith haters are?" Or just flat making things up by saying something was said as fact which, as a fact, were never said. " Gaily obviously had no say if Smith is playing..."

Then trying to blame another poster for derailing the thread. LOL

If you have an opinion that Simms is a horrible QB, or that Smith has had a a great few years here, and deserves to have the starting job handed to him in the OTA's. Great. That's what the thread is for. People to express, and debate their options. When you start again to try to be cute, and defame another poster by referring to them as a "hater", or act condescending, and superior, with "Jets' fans are amazing" you present yourself as not such a sharp tack.

Feel free to carry on with your act.

Im not going to read this. It's definitely off topic. Let me know when you rein yourself in.

 

[jetgreen13]

There are obviously some who feel Simms will beat out Geno and Geno will be cut (the agenda behind the thread). It's way too early to start predicting our QB depth chart.

the only thing i took away from flgreen's thread is he hopes simms gets a real look from gailey especially while fitzpatrick is still healing..

that & he seemed to be trying to be as diplomatic as possible.. much like he always been here at NYJF since day one..

 

[Elias]

I know, a lot of posters who watch college football, and their memory of Simms at Tenn is what they are going to rate him on, are going to feel, "He sucks, forget it". I agree, his play in college was bad to the point, that unless you are a Vols fan, it was funny.

When the Jets first signed him in 2012 I was very surprised. Figured it was just a favor to Phil, and he was going to be a camp arm, and gone. Couldn't believe he was still on the team in 2013. Figured Phil must have something on Woody.

During the great QB competition of 2013 between Sanchez/Smith, Marty was asked which QB had the best arm. To deflect Marty answered "If a strong arm is the measurement stick, Simms will clearly be the opening day starter". He went on to say a few nice things about Simms so he didn't have to make a direct comment on the sorry state of affairs between his two would be starters. I laughed.

Simms started the final meaningless game against the Eagles. Yes, this game is mostly played by future phy ed teachers, but keep in mind, even with that, they are still better then 95% of the guys who play NCAA football. These guys aren't the elite of the NFL, but they are some of the best college has to offer. They are highly motivated. This might be their last chance to make an NFL roster.

I couldn't believe what I was seeing out there. Simms wasn't the same guy who put on a comedy routine for the Vols two years ago. He actually looked like an NFL QB. They didn't have him just hand the ball off either, as teams often do in this game to avoid bad QB's from making fools of themselves. He went 33-44, with a 91.6 RTG. I became very intrigued. We haven't seen much of him since, but in the few times we have seen him in emergency's he hasn't lit it up, but, with out any prep during the week, he played IMO, better then Smith. 19-39 1-1.

Kid is still on the team, and was one of the first guys they gave an extension to when the season ended. Doesn't mean that he will be on the team in Sept, but some body on the Jets' also seems intrigued.

Bowles has announced that Fitz won't be ready until at least camp, and Smith will get the majority of the reps with the #1 's during OTA's. Simms, unless they draft Mariota, will get the other reps, which will be substantial.

Gailey IMO, is a very bad HC, but an elite QB guru. I really hope they give Simms a good look at. I think if they do, perhaps the QB competition in camp won't be between Smith and Fitz, but between Simms and Fitz.

Simms does have pro-typical QB traits. 6'3" 218, mobility, and a legitimate cannon arm. I watched an interview with him a few months ago, after he was re-signed, on NYjets.com. Eric Allen was teasing him and asked about why he was still living in his parents house. To paraphrase, he said, "I'd like to say that me and Dad work out in the back yard every day, but my Dad is a very busy man, and on the road a lot during the season. In the off season he has more time, and what better QB coach could I have then just talking to my Dad?"

Seems to me that Simms has the tools, the arm, and has improved every season. Personally I'm hoping for a Charismatic type finish in the 99 Kentucky Derby, for Simms in this years OTA's.

Ok, I can take the green tinted glasses off now.

[MENTION=9]flgreen[/MENTION] -- thanks for your well thought out post an opinion. I agree with you. Although I am rooting for Geno to make a turn around, i do not think the Jets should count anyone out. Simms has shown a lot and it does take a few years for some people to put it together. It's his last shot.

What I like about Simms is that he throws the ball down field and is always looking downfield when he was scrambling. I did not see any fear in him. I don't know if he can beat Geno but it will be a hell of a fight because both of them are playing for their NFL lives. Smith, may never get another starting shot and Simms is playing for his NFL career.

I honestly have full trust in Gailey to help our young QBs succeed.

 

[Elias]

There are obviously some who feel Simms will beat out Geno and Geno will be cut (the agenda behind the thread). It's way too early to start predicting our QB depth chart.

Reading between the lines is good but sometimes there is nothing in between the lines.

This is why I always bad at analyzing poetry. I refused to believe that what the author wrote had a different meaning. LOL
[MENTION=9]flgreen[/MENTION] -- you are my favorite poet!

 

[flgreen]

Reading between the lines is good but sometimes there is nothing in between the lines.

This is why I always bad at analyzing poetry. I refused to believe that what the author wrote had a different meaning. LOL
[MENTION=9]flgreen[/MENTION] -- you are my favorite poet!

LOL

I hate poetry, and so does Taz.

Your right there was no agenda, and no reading between the lines. It is a dead zone right now, and I thought it would be an interesting topic.

Simms improvement since college intrigues me. I would like to see him get a chance to prove he can do it, or move on to another career.

It would annoy me to no end to see Rex or someone else pick him up with out a shot here, and he turns into a decent starter

 

[flgreen]

the only thing i took away from flgreen's thread is he hopes simms gets a real look from gailey especially while fitzpatrick is still healing..

that & he seemed to be trying to be as diplomatic as possible.. much like he always been here at NYJF since day one..

Thank you

 

[HYATT™]

What one must keep in mind the differing functions of a #2 & #3 QB on a roster.
#2 is there to back up the starter, #3 is there for 2 purposes;
1.) To run the practice offense & provide the defense with a look at the upcoming opponent's offense.
2.) To be groomed to eventually become the #2, or even the starter, some day.

Simms is highly unlikely to EVER become the Jets starter, barring a plane crash.
He simply is not NFL starting QB material, on even the most basic level.
He has had, however, some of the best QB coaching available at all 3 levels of his career, starting with a Super Bowl winning father.
This makes Simms a capable practice team QB, because of what he knows, (the physical side can be found in any QB crop, somewhere).

But at some point the team cannot afford to keep ignoring job duty #2.
At some point the scout team QB has to be replaced by another, younger, prospect with at least some modicum of upside potential to become a starter one day.
This dog has had his day.
There are a LARGE number of incoming QBs in this class who should have POTENTIAL to develop into, at a minimum, a decent #2.

 

[jetfandreamer]

Simms is not the answer....backup training camp fodder.....hes not big enough or atletic enough....smart..but not athletic enough....and to be honest arm is not too great..Geno is better than him much

 

[sg3]

Simms is not the answer....backup training camp fodder.....hes not big enough or atletic enough....smart..but not athletic enough....and to be honest arm is not too great..Geno is better than him much

In the real world, the only one of our QBS that is the odds on choice for "NOT THE ANSWER" is GeNOT

 

[Superman55]

What one must keep in mind the differing functions of a #2 & #3 QB on a roster.
#2 is there to back up the starter, #3 is there for 2 purposes;
1.) To run the practice offense & provide the defense with a look at the upcoming opponent's offense.
2.) To be groomed to eventually become the #2, or even the starter, some day.

Simms is highly unlikely to EVER become the Jets starter, barring a plane crash.u
He simply is not NFL starting QB material, on even the most basic level.
He has had, however, some of the best QB coaching available at all 3 levels of his career, starting with a Super Bowl winning father.
This makes Simms a capable practice team QB, because of what he knows, (the physical side can be found in any QB crop, somewhere).

But at some point the team cannot afford to keep ignoring job duty #2.
At some point the scout team QB has to be replaced by another, younger, prospect with at least some modicum of upside potential to become a starter one day.
This dog has had his day.
There are a LARGE number of incoming QBs in this class who should have POTENTIAL to develop into, at a minimum, a decent #2.

great post.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

What one must keep in mind the differing functions of a #2 & #3 QB on a roster.
#2 is there to back up the starter, #3 is there for 2 purposes;
1.) To run the practice offense & provide the defense with a look at the upcoming opponent's offense.
2.) To be groomed to eventually become the #2, or even the starter, some day.

Simms is highly unlikely to EVER become the Jets starter, barring a plane crash.
He simply is not NFL starting QB material, on even the most basic level.
He has had, however, some of the best QB coaching available at all 3 levels of his career, starting with a Super Bowl winning father.
This makes Simms a capable practice team QB, because of what he knows, (the physical side can be found in any QB crop, somewhere).

But at some point the team cannot afford to keep ignoring job duty #2.
At some point the scout team QB has to be replaced by another, younger, prospect with at least some modicum of upside potential to become a starter one day.
This dog has had his day.
There are a LARGE number of incoming QBs in this class who should have POTENTIAL to develop into, at a minimum, a decent #2.

I'am more than sure the same was said for Brady and Romo. I'am sorry i don't buy this, especially from some one that stated in other forums that "Matt Cassel was better than Tom Brady" or that "Josh Freeman is a franchise QB" and that "Stephen Hill will be a lethal WR in this league".

Not to pick on you HYATT and i know every poster including myself have their flaws, but any QB given the proper opportunity can show case their god given skill. IMHO, Simms has always been given the shaft by Rex.
This training camp will be like one the Jets fan base haven't seen in a long time. In which the QB competition will be legit. Not saying Simms is franchise material, but this year he will truly demonstrate what he truly is worth.

 

[Football51]

Under the new CBA, practices are shorter, there are no more two a days, and overall reps are at a premium. I don't see Simms getting anything more than scout team looks. That's if he even makes it to July. If we draft a qb to go along with Fitzpatrick/Geno, that just pushes Simms further and further down the chart.

 

[Superman55]

Under the new CBA, practices are shorter, there are no more two a days, and overall reps are at a premium. I don't see Simms getting anything more than scout team looks. That's if he even makes it to July. If we draft a qb to go along with Fitzpatrick/Geno, that just pushes Simms further and further down the chart.

And you didn't even reference how they cut Ryan's draft pick, Tahj Boyd, to keepSimms...I have a hard time believing Rex screwed Simms when he kept this college back up QB over the ACCs best QB over the past 2 seasons that was hand selected by Ryan...

Simms couldn't even start in college and if his last name wasn't Simms, he wouldn't even be on an NFL roster.

 

[sg3]

I'm glad it looks like Simms will at least get a legit look for the first time.


I think it will be a fair test and may the best man win. It's all about the Jets fielding the best QB they have as the starter.

And if that guy is Geno Smith. I will be happy to admit I am a pathetic judge of talent and start frantically waving my pom poms for Geno.

Same for Fitz, Simms, whoever we draft or whoever MacBowles should bring in.

Go Jets....Time to be Jet Fans United

This concludes my new leaf and manifesto here at this message board

 

[Fudbutter]

The problem with Simms is that most of his excellent pre-season stats have come in the final game against the guys who the Eagles are going to cut in a matter of days. Remember the bad game Geno had in Buffalo the last time that they played there? He was pulled for Simms in the second half and Simms looked even worse that day.

It would, however, be a great story to see him beat the odds and become an NFL starter but it is kind of like rooting for Mike Taliaferro.

 

[flgreen]

The problem with Simms is that most of his excellent pre-season stats have come in the final game against the guys who the Eagles are going to cut in a matter of days. Remember the bad game Geno had in Buffalo the last time that they played there? He was pulled for Simms in the second half and Simms looked even worse that day.

It would, however, be a great story to see him beat the odds and become an NFL starter but it is kind of like rooting for Mike Taliaferro.

Are you talking about the game in 2013? C'mon

Smith--8/23 103 yards 0 TD's 3 interceptions.. 0.7 QBR

Simms---- 4/6 60 yards 1 TD 0 interceptions 83 QBR

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Are you talking about the game in 2013? C'mon

Smith--8/23 103 yards 0 TD's 3 interceptions.. 0.7 QBR

Simms---- 4/6 60 yards 1 TD 0 interceptions 83 QBR

Yet there's more potential in Geno :hopelessness:

 

[Superman55]

Yet there's more potential in Geno :hopelessness:

You want to look back at the film to see if Genofaced a prevent defense all game like Simms did? Simms comes in for 2 or 3 drives in a blowout loss isn't the same as starting a game...ask Kirk Cousins, AJ Feeley, and Kevin Kolb the difference between a couple drives, a couple games, and defenses once there's tape out on you...you can't evaluate anything off 1-2 drives vs a prevent defense...

 

[flgreen]

Yet there's more potential in Geno :hopelessness:

BE careful, their going to come after you

 

[Elias]

BE careful, their going to come after you

I just hope we don't cut him without giving him a shot. With all this talk that we are entertaining a fourth qb, i hope we don't just get this new qb and release Simms but instead let it all play out it training camp