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Jace Amaro says Jets lacked accountability under Rex Ryan

This happens all the time in sports: A team changes coaches and the remaining players praise the new boss, saying his way is better than the old way.
It's starting with the New York Jets.

Tight end Jace Amaro, in an interview with Sirius XM NFL Radio, suggested there was a lack of accountability last season under Rex Ryan. He didn't mention Ryan by name, but it was clear.
"He's not really playing around with everyone being late," Amaro said of new coach Todd Bowles. "We had an issue with that last year. Guys just weren't accountable last year as much as they could be. I think that's the biggest thing. (Bowles) is making sure everyone's going to be 100 percent in or he's not going to be on the team."

Everybody knows Ryan runs a loose ship, so this is hardly a revelation. There were two documented instances of player tardiness: Geno Smith missing a team meeting in San Diego and Calvin Pryor showing up late for multiple meetings/weight-lifting sessions.

Smith, the starting quarterback, received no discipline in terms of reduced playing time. Basically, Ryan let him off easy, resulting in criticism from fans and media. Pryor, a rookie, was demoted for a month and had to work his way back to a starting role.

That's what you get with Ryan: He's the ultimate player's coach, letting his players police themselves. That style works if you have a locker room filled with experienced professionals, as they did in 2009 -- Thomas Jones, Jerricho Cotchery, Damien Woody, Brandon Moore, et al. When it's a young team that lacks veteran leadership, as was the case last season, it leads to a lack of discipline.

The Jets' high command was well aware of what was happening in the locker room, and they sought a coach that would raise the level of accountability. Bowles, too, is regarded as a player's coach, but he brings a sharper edge than Ryan. That is the early word coming out of the locker room.

No doubt, this won't be the last Bowles-Ryan comparison from a player. It's cyclical. In 2009, Ryan was the proverbial fresh air, replacing the tyrannical Eric Mangini. When Bill Parcells took over for Rich Kotite ... whoa, that was pure culture shock.

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TebowCan'tThrow

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I researched Rex' last four years instead...

Got worse every year and should have been shown the door with Tannenboob. Keeping him around in 2013 and 2014 was a huge mistake

It wasn't a mistake if Bowles turns out to be the right guy at the right time.
 

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Research Belichick's first 6 years

1991: 6-10
1992: 7-9
1993: 7-9
1994: 11-5
1995: 5-11

*in 1990 before BB arrived, the Browns were 3-13. This team surrendered the most points (462) of any team in the entire decade. Their point differential was the 3rd worst of the decade.

So suffice to say, the team was beyond-awful before BB arrived. He improved the team in almost each year he was there, culminating in an 11-5 season, before regressing in his last season.

Compare this all to Rex, who started out a combined 20-12 his first two seasons (thanks to inheriting a nice roster of young players) but then regressed overall, culminating in bottoming out at 4-12 in 2014.

It's not that BB lit the world on fire in Cleveland. He didn't. But he inherited one of the worst teams (statistically) in the 90's and brought them up to an 11-5 squad. Rex inherited a good team and ruined it with dumbass trades and FA pick ups, bringing the Jets to one of the worst teams in the league and totally devoid of offensive talent.
 
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1991: 6-10
1992: 7-9
1993: 7-9
1994: 11-5
1995: 5-11

*in 1990 before BB arrived, the Browns were 3-13. This team surrendered the most points (462) of any team in the entire decade. Their point differential was the 3rd worst of the decade.

So suffice to say, the team was beyond-awful before BB arrived. He improved the team in almost each year he was there, culminating in an 11-5 season, before regressing in his last season.

Compare this all to Rex, who started out a combined 20-12 his first two seasons (thanks to inheriting a nice roster of young players) but then regressed overall, culminating in bottoming out at 4-12 in 2014.

It's not that BB lit the world on fire in Cleveland. He didn't. But he inherited one of the worst teams (statistically) in the 90's and brought them up to an 11-5 squad., bringing the Jets to one of the worst teams in the league and totally devoid of offensive talent.

Rex inherited a good team and ruined it with dumbass trades and FA pick ups AND BAD COACHES AND COACHING
 

Old#15

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Actually the assistant coaches were OK initially, but through attrition the level dropped off significantly as he was never able to effectively replace them. Westhoff and Pettine come to mind.
 

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Actually the assistant coaches were OK initially, but through attrition the level dropped off significantly as he was never able to effectively replace them. Westhoff and Pettine come to mind.


Bill Callahan as well.
 

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1991: 6-10
1992: 7-9
1993: 7-9
1994: 11-5
1995: 5-11

*in 1990 before BB arrived, the Browns were 3-13. This team surrendered the most points (462) of any team in the entire decade. Their point differential was the 3rd worst of the decade.

So suffice to say, the team was beyond-awful before BB arrived. He improved the team in almost each year he was there, culminating in an 11-5 season, before regressing in his last season.

Compare this all to Rex, who started out a combined 20-12 his first two seasons (thanks to inheriting a nice roster of young players) but then regressed overall, culminating in bottoming out at 4-12 in 2014.

It's not that BB lit the world on fire in Cleveland. He didn't. But he inherited one of the worst teams (statistically) in the 90's and brought them up to an 11-5 squad. Rex inherited a good team and ruined it with dumbass trades and FA pick ups, bringing the Jets to one of the worst teams in the league and totally devoid of offensive talent.

5-11 is how Belichick left the Browns. Period. That was his team. 5 years later . Rex deserves blame for the bad play on the field , not the inept roster. And make no mistake , the roster was garbage


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Old#15

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5-11 is how Belichick left the Browns. Period. That was his team. 5 years later . Rex deserves blame for the bad play on the field , not the inept roster. And make no mistake , the roster was garbage


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The HC does deserve both partial credit and/or blame for the roster, unless of course he has no input at all into the draft, FA, etc. These coaches spend a lot of time in the evaluative process, and ultimately have a ton of input into who gets drafted or signed. Furthermore, they are ultimately responsible for the proper development of the young players. To ignore that is putting the blinders on IMO. I think you have to look at the % of players who remain on the roster (or the league for that matter) from the 6 drafts during Ryan's tenure. Its staggering how ineffective the HC/GM/Scouts were during that time, and the only constants during those 6 years were Ryan and Bradway. If anything, Ryan left Jet's roster in much worse shape than when he arrived.
 

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The HC does deserve both partial credit and/or blame for the roster, unless of course he has no input at all into the draft, FA, etc. These coaches spend a lot of time in the evaluative process, and ultimately have a ton of input into who gets drafted or signed. Furthermore, they are ultimately responsible for the proper development of the young players. To ignore that is putting the blinders on IMO. I think you have to look at the % of players who remain on the roster (or the league for that matter) from the 6 drafts during Ryan's tenure. Its staggering how ineffective the HC/GM/Scouts were during that time, and the only constants during those 6 years were Ryan and Bradway. If anything, Ryan left Jet's roster in much worse shape than when he arrived.

Sort of like Belichick in Cleveland


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Old#15

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I'm not that familiar with the specifics of the Browns situation, before during and after BB's tenure. But generally speaking, yes HCs do have some responsibility for their team's roster. As a HC, you can't pin all of the blame on the GM for the failures on the field.
 
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