Leonard Williams Coming for a visit with the Jets on Monday

[Mainejet]

Williams should be long gone by the time the Jets pick. With that said, Mariota is most certainly gone as well, so the Jets should focus on trading down and accumulating more picks.

 

[jetfandreamer]

Couple of things, Super.

First you don't need speed rushers to have a lethal pass rush in the 4-3. Its nice to have one, but its only essential in the 3-4, in the 3-4 you can never have a great pass rush without a pass rusher who explodes off the edge, but in the 4-3 thats not necessarily true, you can also have a great pass rush if you can out talent and over power the O-line.

Consider this, who was the speed rusher on the Steel Curtain?

They didn't have one. What they had was, a great inside rush from Mean Joe Greene and Ernie Holmes, and big, strong, athletic, powerful DE's outside with Dwight White and LC Greenwood.

The same was true of the Doomsday Defense. Great inside rush with Randy White, Jethro Pugh or John Dutton stuffing the run, and outside they had two athletic, over-powering DE's with Too Tall Jones and Harvey Martin.

The same was true of Buddy Ryan's Eagles. Great inside rush with Jerome Brown, Golic etc stuffing the run, and they would over-power you outside with Reggie White and Clyde Simmons, neither of which was a speed rusher.

I would argue the same was true of the Giants front four that mauled Tom Brady in the Super Bowl, pre JPP. Strahan was a power rusher, not a speed rusher, Tuck gave them a strong inside pass rush, Osi was like Dwight White or Clyde Simmons at the other end, a combination of speed and power, but not what we think of as a pure speed rusher.

My point is, you don't need a Lawrence Taylor, Charles Haley, Andre Tippett type edge rusher in the 4-3 to have a great pass rush. If you put four big, strong and athletic D-linemen on the field, all adept at rushing the QB, you can have a great pass rush without blinding speed off the edge.

That said, if we drafted Williams and switched to a 4-3, you could have the best inside pass rush in the league with Wilkerson and Sheldon, Coples playing the Simmons/Dwight White role at RDE, and Williams beating most of the plodding RT's like a drum at LDE. But this can only work if you switch to a base 4-3.

Snacks would be a run stuffing specialist on GL and SY, and the fifth man in the rotation.

Steel curtain and todays NFL are like light years different....totally different game..all old school guys like to preach the old stuff..but the athletes today....and the passing game..it is a different animal

The passing game today is much quicker and diverse. and the rules govern the offensive bias......back then it was 2 WR go deep and a TE over middle and a RB in flat in case of emergency..and yes that was it....

and with the Giants they deserve credit for their victories...but they beat NE first because of a freak of reality WR/QB driven play which should have been blown dead...and the second was a horendous safety call to start game w Brady and a great pass catch by Manning and manningham..