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Personally, I think our best bet would be to trade back especially if Fowler and Beasley are gone. It's to early to select an OL and there will be plenty of solid edge rushers available later in the 1st and early in the 2nd. Hopefully Mariota is still around so that a team will be willing to trade more for the 6th pick.
On the OL I like Scherff, Peat, La'el Collins, and Humphries
Edge Rushers that we could select later in the 1st include- Gregory, Ray, and Dupree
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On the OL I like Scherff, Peat, La'el Collins, and Humphries
Edge Rushers that we could select later in the 1st include- Gregory, Ray, and Dupree
Check out my mock draft at--
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I'm with you. Seems every need has been addressed to a certain extent, depending on how you look at it except for LB. So it has to be one of these beast LBs. Don't even trade back, get the best one that's available and roll with it. 2nd and 3rd round, I'm thinking they need to go WR and o-line. 4th and 7th, they can address the QB, RB or best player available scenario. Being there is only Winston and Mariota worth talking about for QBs IMO and Mariota appears not to be a year one starter unless Chip drafts him, QB should sorta be push back abit unless they draft either one.
Most seem real high on the Fitz trade, so if we don't draft anyone or they flop period and Geno flops then were good with Fitz according to most. WR of course was addressed with Marshall who can still give us 3-4 years of great play as long as he's motivated and healthy enough to do so. RB seems to be by committee and o-line was addressed but you can never have enough depth or true beast o-linemen. Our d-line is straight already and secondary is at a overkill from FAs. So LB has to be the spot to go in the first round. I wouldn't be upset with WR but LB has to be the way to go.
If Fowler AND Beasley are gone, that means one of the QBs or WRs is there. Would you trade down rather than take one of those four?
NFL Draft Countdown today has the Jets picking:
6) Bud Dupree DE/OLB (With Amari Cooper on the board)Dupree is a small reach here.
37) Tevin Coleman RB
70) Rashad Greene WR
I would have snagged Cooper @ 6, Eli Harold @ 37 & BPA @ 70.
Go Jets...Cyborg
6) Bud Dupree DE/OLB (With Amari Cooper on the board)Dupree is a small reach here.
37) Tevin Coleman RB
70) Rashad Greene WR
I would have snagged Cooper @ 6, Eli Harold @ 37 & BPA @ 70.
Go Jets...Cyborg
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Nope
The top six have been the same for about 6 weeks now
The only 2 first round QBs
Cooper and White
Fowler and Beasley
If our three biggest needs didn't match exactly these three positions it would be possible to think of trading down
But IMO there is a BIG dropoff in talent between these 6 and Schertt, Ray, Gregory and others being mocked at 7.
So if there are SIX blue chip studs and you are at #6 you TAKE one and smile
Both Mayock and Cosell (my top 2 media football experts) have Fowler as the #1 OLB prospect.
Take it for what it's worth. If you click on link there is video analysis of each player mentioned
http://sports.yahoo....-201817261.html
Greg Cosell's draft preview: Dante Fowler should be Titans' pick at No. 2
By Greg Cosell April 18, 2015 4:18 PM Shutdown Corner
Everyone has an opinion on what the Tennessee Titans should do with the second pick. Should they go with a quarterback? Or take USC defensive lineman Leonard Williams?
I'd have a different answer if I was making that pick for the Titans. I'd take Florida outside linebacker/defensive end Dante Fowler. I think Fowler is the best defensive prospect in the draft.
When I watch film of college prospects, I like to watch a couple games on a prospect, move onto other players, and a couple weeks later watch a couple more of that prospect. I don't want my first impression to carry through six or seven games in a row on a player. I'm glad I took that approach with Fowler.
Early on, I saw a few flaws. I saw a troubling tendency when he was at defensive end to play too high at the point of attack and get moved by tackles and tight ends. He was engulfed by big tackles. I wondered if he had the size and girth to play defensive end.
The more I watched, the more I liked of Fowler, to the point where I'd take him over any other defensive player in the draft. Fowler has natural athleticism and flexibility, good balance, lateral quickness with explosion, closing burst and speed – all the traits you look for in an NFL pass rusher.
He's still a projection as a pass rusher (remember, all college players are projects) but he is just scratching the surface of what he can become. But he flashed explosive traits with a quick first step and excellent closing speed; Fowler has a chance to be a multi-dimensional pass rusher who can win with quickness, power and speed. He was even deployed at times as a coverage defender, and he had the athleticism and natural movement to do that effectively. He's really a plus athlete with quick feet and fluid athleticism, and a competitive playing personality.
There are still a few questions. I don't think he can transition to an NFL defensive end; he's not big enough to even match up to tight ends in the run game. Can Fowler transition to the NFL as a weak-side linebacker in a 4-3? Can he develop into a run-and-hit linebacker? I think his best transition position will likely be 3-4 outside linebacker. Rushing the quarterback is his best skill and that’s always a priority in the NFL. I see similarities to Green Bay Packers outside linebacker Clay Matthews and Kansas City Chiefs outside linebacker Justin Houston when they were coming out of college.
There are a ton of tools to work with when it comes to Fowler. He has a lot of athletic and explosive traits to work with, He has a chance to be a high level NFL pass rusher – my sense is he will be a better pass rusher in the NFL than he was in college.
Here is a look at some of the other edge defenders in this draft (and there are many good ones):
Shane Ray, Missouri
Ray mostly played defensive end at Missouri, and he has the natural explosion off the ball you look for in a pass rusher. He won a number of times because he was first off the snap. He showed the initial burst to beat the outside shoulder of the offensive tackle and the body flexibility to bend the edge and close with speed. Ray is very strong and powerful for his size; he plays a violent, explosive game with tremendous passion. He is competitive with a bit of nasty edge, the kind of player that doesn’t accept getting beat.
Even though he was 245 pounds he also worked as a "3 technique" tackle in passing situations and was effective in that role too. Against guards he used excellent hand usage and technique and was often too fast for them. Still, his best NFL position is probably 3-4 outside linebacker. If he ends up at 4-3 end, the best comparison for a player his size might be the Indianapolis Colts' Robert Mathis.
Randy Gregory, Nebraska
Gregory can do a little of everything because he's so athletic. His excellent movement flexibility, loose and fluid hips reminds me of a basketball player. He also has point of attack strength to stalemate and set the edge in the run game. Gregory is a high-level athlete who can rush the quarterback or play in coverage.
To me, he's an even better prospect than Jadeveon Clowney, who went with the first pick last year. He's a better athlete with more flexibility and explosive movement traits as an edge player. I think he best projects as a 3-4 outside linebacker in a base defense, but he can align in a three-point stance at defensive end in sub packages and rush the quarterback. Gregory will need to get stronger but has the body type to gain weight without losing his outstanding athletic traits.
Vic Beasley, Clemson
Beasley can't play defensive end in a 4-3. He just doesn't have the size for it and would not hold up. Beasley isn't a point of attack player. He needs space to operate most effectively; the more room he has off the ball the more he can utilize his quickness and speed.
Beasley does have explosive closing speed as a pass rusher, and an outstanding short area acceleration. he also has a nice array of pass-rush moves for a young player. But this point he's a quickness/speed/explosion pass rusher, because he does not have the body frame or strength yet to be a speed-to-power rusher. The question is can Beasley develop into a Von Miller type of player? That comparison may be valid.
Alvin "Bud" Dupree, Kentucky
I really like Dupree. The more I watched him, the more I really liked his traits as a player and a pass rusher.
Dupree just moves differently than most guys. He's a really good athlete. Athletically a good comparison might be Jamie Collins of the New England Patriots, and I don't take that lightly because I think Collins is an exceptional athlete. Dupree is a little different than most of the players on this list because he wasn't a designated pass rusher for Kentucky. He was utilized often in coverage, even in sub packages. He was asked to fill multiple roles with a lot of different responsibilities in Kentucky's defense. Yet, if you line up Dupree and tell him to rush the quarterback, I sense he could turn into a good NFL pass rusher.
Dupree must play stronger to make an immediate impact in the NFL, as he did not play to his size and explosiveness consistently. And at this point no real moves as a pass rusher. But he showed the natural athletic movement and off-the-ball burst to develop into a quality pass rusher in the NFL, if a team wants to use him in that way.
Eli Harold, Virginia
My initial sense is Harold not quick enough to be an edge pass rusher and not strong enough to be a power rusher. He's not a true bend-the-edge pass rusher. He did not show the flexibility to get low and skim the edge. Also, at this point he is not strong at the point of attack in the run game; he did not show ability to stalemate or defeat blocks.
How does Harold project with coaching, NFL training and experience as an edge pass rusher? That will determine his draft position. What is his upside? I do not believe he should be a first day choice in the NFL draft. He's a significant projection as a pass rusher. At this point I see similarities to Erik Walden of the Colts, a base 3-4 outside linebacker who also plays in the nickel as edge rusher, but isn't a great rusher.
Take it for what it's worth. If you click on link there is video analysis of each player mentioned
http://sports.yahoo....-201817261.html
Greg Cosell's draft preview: Dante Fowler should be Titans' pick at No. 2
By Greg Cosell April 18, 2015 4:18 PM Shutdown Corner
Everyone has an opinion on what the Tennessee Titans should do with the second pick. Should they go with a quarterback? Or take USC defensive lineman Leonard Williams?
I'd have a different answer if I was making that pick for the Titans. I'd take Florida outside linebacker/defensive end Dante Fowler. I think Fowler is the best defensive prospect in the draft.
When I watch film of college prospects, I like to watch a couple games on a prospect, move onto other players, and a couple weeks later watch a couple more of that prospect. I don't want my first impression to carry through six or seven games in a row on a player. I'm glad I took that approach with Fowler.
Early on, I saw a few flaws. I saw a troubling tendency when he was at defensive end to play too high at the point of attack and get moved by tackles and tight ends. He was engulfed by big tackles. I wondered if he had the size and girth to play defensive end.
The more I watched, the more I liked of Fowler, to the point where I'd take him over any other defensive player in the draft. Fowler has natural athleticism and flexibility, good balance, lateral quickness with explosion, closing burst and speed – all the traits you look for in an NFL pass rusher.
He's still a projection as a pass rusher (remember, all college players are projects) but he is just scratching the surface of what he can become. But he flashed explosive traits with a quick first step and excellent closing speed; Fowler has a chance to be a multi-dimensional pass rusher who can win with quickness, power and speed. He was even deployed at times as a coverage defender, and he had the athleticism and natural movement to do that effectively. He's really a plus athlete with quick feet and fluid athleticism, and a competitive playing personality.
There are still a few questions. I don't think he can transition to an NFL defensive end; he's not big enough to even match up to tight ends in the run game. Can Fowler transition to the NFL as a weak-side linebacker in a 4-3? Can he develop into a run-and-hit linebacker? I think his best transition position will likely be 3-4 outside linebacker. Rushing the quarterback is his best skill and that’s always a priority in the NFL. I see similarities to Green Bay Packers outside linebacker Clay Matthews and Kansas City Chiefs outside linebacker Justin Houston when they were coming out of college.
There are a ton of tools to work with when it comes to Fowler. He has a lot of athletic and explosive traits to work with, He has a chance to be a high level NFL pass rusher – my sense is he will be a better pass rusher in the NFL than he was in college.
Here is a look at some of the other edge defenders in this draft (and there are many good ones):
Shane Ray, Missouri
Ray mostly played defensive end at Missouri, and he has the natural explosion off the ball you look for in a pass rusher. He won a number of times because he was first off the snap. He showed the initial burst to beat the outside shoulder of the offensive tackle and the body flexibility to bend the edge and close with speed. Ray is very strong and powerful for his size; he plays a violent, explosive game with tremendous passion. He is competitive with a bit of nasty edge, the kind of player that doesn’t accept getting beat.
Even though he was 245 pounds he also worked as a "3 technique" tackle in passing situations and was effective in that role too. Against guards he used excellent hand usage and technique and was often too fast for them. Still, his best NFL position is probably 3-4 outside linebacker. If he ends up at 4-3 end, the best comparison for a player his size might be the Indianapolis Colts' Robert Mathis.
Randy Gregory, Nebraska
Gregory can do a little of everything because he's so athletic. His excellent movement flexibility, loose and fluid hips reminds me of a basketball player. He also has point of attack strength to stalemate and set the edge in the run game. Gregory is a high-level athlete who can rush the quarterback or play in coverage.
To me, he's an even better prospect than Jadeveon Clowney, who went with the first pick last year. He's a better athlete with more flexibility and explosive movement traits as an edge player. I think he best projects as a 3-4 outside linebacker in a base defense, but he can align in a three-point stance at defensive end in sub packages and rush the quarterback. Gregory will need to get stronger but has the body type to gain weight without losing his outstanding athletic traits.
Vic Beasley, Clemson
Beasley can't play defensive end in a 4-3. He just doesn't have the size for it and would not hold up. Beasley isn't a point of attack player. He needs space to operate most effectively; the more room he has off the ball the more he can utilize his quickness and speed.
Beasley does have explosive closing speed as a pass rusher, and an outstanding short area acceleration. he also has a nice array of pass-rush moves for a young player. But this point he's a quickness/speed/explosion pass rusher, because he does not have the body frame or strength yet to be a speed-to-power rusher. The question is can Beasley develop into a Von Miller type of player? That comparison may be valid.
Alvin "Bud" Dupree, Kentucky
I really like Dupree. The more I watched him, the more I really liked his traits as a player and a pass rusher.
Dupree just moves differently than most guys. He's a really good athlete. Athletically a good comparison might be Jamie Collins of the New England Patriots, and I don't take that lightly because I think Collins is an exceptional athlete. Dupree is a little different than most of the players on this list because he wasn't a designated pass rusher for Kentucky. He was utilized often in coverage, even in sub packages. He was asked to fill multiple roles with a lot of different responsibilities in Kentucky's defense. Yet, if you line up Dupree and tell him to rush the quarterback, I sense he could turn into a good NFL pass rusher.
Dupree must play stronger to make an immediate impact in the NFL, as he did not play to his size and explosiveness consistently. And at this point no real moves as a pass rusher. But he showed the natural athletic movement and off-the-ball burst to develop into a quality pass rusher in the NFL, if a team wants to use him in that way.
Eli Harold, Virginia
My initial sense is Harold not quick enough to be an edge pass rusher and not strong enough to be a power rusher. He's not a true bend-the-edge pass rusher. He did not show the flexibility to get low and skim the edge. Also, at this point he is not strong at the point of attack in the run game; he did not show ability to stalemate or defeat blocks.
How does Harold project with coaching, NFL training and experience as an edge pass rusher? That will determine his draft position. What is his upside? I do not believe he should be a first day choice in the NFL draft. He's a significant projection as a pass rusher. At this point I see similarities to Erik Walden of the Colts, a base 3-4 outside linebacker who also plays in the nickel as edge rusher, but isn't a great rusher.
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Oops
Stand corrected
Thanks
I have him so long gone by the time we get to #6 that I left him out
Make that SEVEN blue chippers, of which we need to get one of them at 6
The question is, does MacBowles have the balls to pick Randy Gregory if Cooper is off the board ? I think besides Fowler who is a hair under 6'2" and has short arms, Gregory 6'6"/245 is the best OLB left on the board. Beasley, Ray, Dupree & Gregory all scare me a little, that why I want the sure pick in Cooper.
Go Jets...Cyborg
By this time next week the top 5 will be locked down in most polls!
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I don't believe that Mariota will be a great pro quarterback so I would pass up on him. But if the Jets love every aspect of his game and believe that he is the future of the team, by all means select him.
I feel like the Jets have so many needs that selecting a WR would be a waste. It's a position that we are very strong at as is.
To me a strong line is always more important than the skill positions and that goes for both sides of the ball.
I feel like the Jets have so many needs that selecting a WR would be a waste. It's a position that we are very strong at as is.
To me a strong line is always more important than the skill positions and that goes for both sides of the ball.
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I think we're trading down
Even though it might be a smart move to trade down, I will $hit my pants if it happens ! I've waited a year to hear who the Jets next "savior" will be, and don't want to wait until later in the draft, as great picks are plucked off the board while we wait !
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You never were patient
I'd rather move down 2-6 picks and have an extra 2nd or 3rd rd pick than get the same talent and have 1 less pick in the draft...