Shane Ray Possible Surgery

[maxmet]

Could change the dynamics for edge rushers - this will drop him down - at least some

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/04/nfl_draft_2015_edge_rusher_prospect_shane_ray_migh.html

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

This is BIG NEWS with the draft only a week away.

Regardless of how one feels about Ray, good or bad, this was a likely TOP 10 Pick and it absolutely changes the dynamic.

 

[jetfandreamer]

He would be off my board this early.....dont want another MILNER

 

[hobson54]

i didn't want him for the jets @6 beforehand, so hopefully this makes it less likely we would take him.


(note - i feel bad for the kid, so i'm not taking joy in his injury possibly costing him draft position)

 

[OCCH]

i didn't want him for the jets @6 beforehand, so hopefully this makes it less likely we would take him.


(note - i feel bad for the kid, so i'm not taking joy in his injury possibly costing him draft position)

There's always that philosophy that the further you drop the better team you end up on, increasing the likelihood of a successful career/bigger 2nd contract.

Of course that's not guaranteed, but IMO it's a pretty big silver lining . . .

 

[cysporsche]

In that I'm too lazy to copy & paste articles, what kind of surgery is Ray having ?

Question Mods & posters, is there anyway that when you post a story, that you can click on the attachment to open ? I know I miss a few good stories because of disliking to copy & paste.

Go Jets...Cyborg

 

[Superman55]

i didn't want him for the jets @6 beforehand, so hopefully this makes it less likely we would take him.


(note - i feel bad for the kid, so i'm not taking joy in his injury possibly costing him draft position)

Agreed. He reminds me of Jarvis Jones from GA when he came out and has since fizzled...

 

[Superman55]

There's always that philosophy that the further you drop the better team you end up on, increasing the likelihood of a successful career/bigger 2nd contract.

Of course that's not guaranteed, but IMO it's a pretty big silver lining . . .

Let him fall to rd 2 or 3 like Moore A&M did a couple years ago and see if he pans out. If someone leaps earlier and grabs him, good for them.

 

[hobson54]

In that I'm too lazy to copy & paste articles, what kind of surgery is Ray having ?

Question Mods & posters, is there anyway that when you post a story, that you can click on the attachment to open ? I know I miss a few good stories because of disliking to copy & paste.

Go Jets...Cyborg

cy, that may be something on your end, because for me, the hyperlink worked so when i clicked on it, the story opened in another window.


here's the relevant info on ray:

There are typically two things that can harm a NFL prospect's draft status: off-the-field concerns, and injuries. Unfortunately for Missouri defensive end/outside linebacker Shane Ray, his draft stock might be victimized by the former.

Ray, considered by many draft analysts to be a potential top 10 pick, has been dealing with a toe injury that he suffered at the Citrus Bowl last season, his final college game. The injury prevented him from running the 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine in February, but he did run at Missouri's Pro Day, posting a good time, 4.64 seconds.

But now, according to NFL.com draft analyst Lance Zierlein, Ray's injury is enough of a concern for teams that he may need surgery that would put him out for five months, depending on the doctor's recommendation of the team that ends up drafting him. Zierlein speculated that the injury could potentially drop Ray out of the first round.

 

[Superman55]

cy, that may be something on your end, because for me, the hyperlink worked so when i clicked on it, the story opened in another window.


here's the relevant info on ray:

There are typically two things that can harm a NFL prospect's draft status: off-the-field concerns, and injuries. Unfortunately for Missouri defensive end/outside linebacker Shane Ray, his draft stock might be victimized by the former.

Ray, considered by many draft analysts to be a potential top 10 pick, has been dealing with a toe injury that he suffered at the Citrus Bowl last season, his final college game. The injury prevented him from running the 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine in February, but he did run at Missouri's Pro Day, posting a good time, 4.64 seconds.

But now, according to NFL.com draft analyst Lance Zierlein, Ray's injury is enough of a concern for teams that he may need surgery that would put him out for five months, depending on the doctor's recommendation of the team that ends up drafting him. Zierlein speculated that the injury could potentially drop Ray out of the first round.

Hobson - we both feel the way we do about Ray...would you be "more" open to not taking pass rusher at 6 with the possibility he is there at 37? As in, I have (i really do) some concerns today of not taking an OLB at 6 because we need one so bad...but I would feel more comfortable now knowing some OLBs may be pushed to 37 as these "late risers" like Peters, Perriman, Dorsett, etc emerge and guys like Ray start falling....

 

[cysporsche]

cy, that may be something on your end, because for me, the hyperlink worked so when i clicked on it, the story opened in another window.


here's the relevant info on ray:

There are typically two things that can harm a NFL prospect's draft status: off-the-field concerns, and injuries. Unfortunately for Missouri defensive end/outside linebacker Shane Ray, his draft stock might be victimized by the former.

Ray, considered by many draft analysts to be a potential top 10 pick, has been dealing with a toe injury that he suffered at the Citrus Bowl last season, his final college game. The injury prevented him from running the 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine in February, but he did run at Missouri's Pro Day, posting a good time, 4.64 seconds.

But now, according to NFL.com draft analyst Lance Zierlein, Ray's injury is enough of a concern for teams that he may need surgery that would put him out for five months, depending on the doctor's recommendation of the team that ends up drafting him. Zierlein speculated that the injury could potentially drop Ray out of the first round.

Greg, Thanks. LOL, if an attachment does not have a line underneath, I did not know it would open.

In Ray's case, he will drop like a rock because a toe injury is more serious than it sounds. It helps with the initial push off or burst, plus a players balance which will really hurt a speed rushing OLB like Ray. I know he was high on the Jets board and the Falcons board. With Ray dropping watch for the Falcons now to snag Todd Gurley RB. And with Ray off the Jet big board for round 1, I hope this helps our chances to get Cooper WR ?

Go Jets...Cyborg

 

[hobson54]

Hobson - we both feel the way we do about Ray...would you be "more" open to not taking pass rusher at 6 with the possibility he is there at 37? As in, I have (i really do) some concerns today of not taking an OLB at 6 because we need one so bad...but I would feel more comfortable now knowing some OLBs may be pushed to 37 as these "late risers" like Peters, Perriman, Dorsett, etc emerge and guys like Ray start falling....

personally, outside of fowler, i'm not that big on taking any of the other OLBs at 6. now admittedly i'm going on the so-called draft experts, but to me, the grades on all of them are all over the place, and i do not think any of them (except fowler) represent value at the 6 pick. i am one who says to take the BPA (at a relative position of need), so i'd rather take either of the QBs or the top 2 WRs with the 6 pick than "reach" for one of the OLBs. heck, i could probably be convinced to take gurley over the other LBs. i'm assuming williams is off the board, but if he's there, that presents a conundrum to me, since it's not a "relative position of need", but imo, he'd qualify for BPA (especially if it means cooper, white, fowler and both QBs are off the board).

i also think we will play a lot of 4-2-5 sets on passing downs, as bowles seems to prefer that alignment, and with our stacked d-line, we could put coples as the 4th lineman for that set. so i'm not as big on the need to find a 3-4 OLB that most others here are...at least not if it means "reaching" for an OLB with a premium pick.

my draft options at 6 would sort of read as:

1 - take a QB (winston or mariota)
2 - try to trade down
3 - WR (cooper or white)
4 - fowler

5 - if 1-4 aren't possible, then i would take the highest rated player on my board between williams, the OLBs, O-line, and gurley

the 5 outcome is only possible if the first 5 picks are QB, QB, WR, WR and fowler in some order. if that's the case, williams is still there, making a trade quite possible.

so i guess this is a long way of saying that i'm in the minority of not really wanting to go OLB with the #6 pick, with the exception of fowler, who consistently seems to rank as the best player at that position.

 

[Superman55]

personally, outside of fowler, i'm not that big on taking any of the other OLBs at 6. now admittedly i'm going on the so-called draft experts, but to me, the grades on all of them are all over the place, and i do not think any of them (except fowler) represent value at the 6 pick. i am one who says to take the BPA (at a relative position of need), so i'd rather take either of the QBs or the top 2 WRs with the 6 pick than "reach" for one of the OLBs. heck, i could probably be convinced to take gurley over the other LBs. i'm assuming williams is off the board, but if he's there, that presents a conundrum to me, since it's not a "relative position of need", but imo, he'd qualify for BPA (especially if it means cooper, white, fowler and both QBs are off the board).

i also think we will play a lot of 4-2-5 sets on passing downs, as bowles seems to prefer that alignment, and with our stacked d-line, we could put coples as the 4th lineman for that set. so i'm not as big on the need to find a 3-4 OLB that most others here are...at least not if it means "reaching" for an OLB with a premium pick.

my draft options at 6 would sort of read as:

1 - take a QB (winston or mariota)
2 - try to trade down
3 - WR (cooper or white)
4 - fowler

5 - if 1-4 aren't possible, then i would take the highest rated player on my board between williams, the OLBs, O-line, and gurley

the 5 outcome is only possible if the first 5 picks are QB, QB, WR, WR and fowler in some order. if that's the case, williams is still there, making a trade quite possible.

so i guess this is a long way of saying that i'm in the minority of not really wanting to go OLB with the #6 pick, with the exception of fowler, who consistently seems to rank as the best player at that position.

Trade down would be my top option this year...mainly because both QBs will be gone and I think someone tries to give up their 2nd to come up...but i wouldnt trade lower than 12.

Im surprised you are so high on Gurley not knowing how he will react to the knee. Even at 100%, you dont know what you're getting. Even if he plays a bit more timid after being hurt, "a bit" is "a big" deal in the NFL. Im worried that even at 100%, you could end up with a McGahee...who was servicable, but not worth the 1st rd pick...

I thought you liked Gregory before the drug details came out...werent you high on him also?

 

[jetfandreamer]

i didn't want him for the jets @6 beforehand, so hopefully this makes it less likely we would take him.


(note - i feel bad for the kid, so i'm not taking joy in his injury possibly costing him draft position)

I Agree wasn't too high on him to begin with saw a special on him..and in all honesty he seemed soft.....

but at 6th pick in draft

I don't want to be a guys healer ( RAY) a guys psychologist/counselor (Gregory) or a guy trying to help a kid put weight on (Beasely, who reminds me of Shazier)

at 6th with no trades I am all in like Hobs with QBs..since no trade..WRs and then Fowler..if ALL them gone and cannot make trade..take Bud Dupree....thicker LB...and Bowles is from the Parcells camp that likes thick OLB...or even Scherff/Collins

 

[hobson54]

Trade down would be my top option this year...mainly because both QBs will be gone and I think someone tries to give up their 2nd to come up...but i wouldnt trade lower than 12.

Im surprised you are so high on Gurley not knowing how he will react to the knee. Even at 100%, you dont know what you're getting. Even if he plays a bit more timid after being hurt, "a bit" is "a big" deal in the NFL. Im worried that even at 100%, you could end up with a McGahee...who was servicable, but not worth the 1st rd pick...

I thought you liked Gregory before the drug details came out...werent you high on him also?

i was probably higher (pun intended...where' the smoking emoticon?) on gregory than the other OLBs. probably viewed him similar to fowler, so he would have been in the conversation for me at 6. but i did have some concerns on him, his injury history, and questions on whether he had the frame to add and keep on weight, so even without the drug test, i would have been a bit leery of him at 6.

with the failed drug test, i don't touch him in the top 10. if we trade down, i could see rolling the dice on him with a later 1st.


as to gurley, it's a tough call. i don't think ACLs are as big as they used to be, and many, many players (even RBs) have come back from them with little long-term adverse effect. add the positive reports on the combine re-test, and it's not a huge concern for me. now it would take a special talent to ever consider using a top 10 pick on a RB, but i think gurley is a special talent.

when push came to shove, not sure i'd have the cojones to pull the trigger at 6 if i was sitting in the GM chair. but if the scenario i outlined above played out (both QBs, top 2 WRs and fowler taken, and we can't trade down), i'd really have to consider him with that pick. but that's mostly because williams isn't a fit/need for the team, and everyone else is a bit of a reach or also a question mark at that spot. none of the o-lineman project as franchise LTs, and not sure i can justify the 6 pick on a guard. and all the other OLBs are as big of a question mark in terms of being able to play the position as is gurley's ability to recover from injury.

truth is in that scenario, i'd probably go the "safe" route and take either an o-lineman or OLB. or even take williams and look to trade him after the pick. if we were to trade with cleveland and get their #12 pick (and something else), i'd definitely consider gurley at that spot (depending on who else was there). so while i would consider gurley at 6, not sure i'd have to conviction or the cojones to actually pull the trigger.

 

[LIJETFAN]

i was probably higher (pun intended...where' the smoking emoticon?) on gregory than the other OLBs. probably viewed him similar to fowler, so he would have been in the conversation for me at 6. but i did have some concerns on him, his injury history, and questions on whether he had the frame to add and keep on weight, so even without the drug test, i would have been a bit leery of him at 6.

with the failed drug test, i don't touch him in the top 10. if we trade down, i could see rolling the dice on him with a later 1st.


as to gurley, it's a tough call. i don't think ACLs are as big as they used to be, and many, many players (even RBs) have come back from them with little long-term adverse effect. add the positive reports on the combine re-test, and it's not a huge concern for me. now it would take a special talent to ever consider using a top 10 pick on a RB, but i think gurley is a special talent.

when push came to shove, not sure i'd have the cojones to pull the trigger at 6 if i was sitting in the GM chair. but if the scenario i outlined above played out (both QBs, top 2 WRs and fowler taken, and we can't trade down), i'd really have to consider him with that pick. but that's mostly because williams isn't a fit/need for the team, and everyone else is a bit of a reach or also a question mark at that spot. none of the o-lineman project as franchise LTs, and not sure i can justify the 6 pick on a guard. and all the other OLBs are as big of a question mark in terms of being able to play the position as is gurley's ability to recover from injury.

truth is in that scenario, i'd probably go the "safe" route and take either an o-lineman or OLB. or even take williams and look to trade him after the pick. if we were to trade with cleveland and get their #12 pick (and something else), i'd definitely consider gurley at that spot (depending on who else was there). so while i would consider gurley at 6, not sure i'd have to conviction or the cojones to actually pull the trigger.

Tough break for Shane Ray, seems like a good kid and good football player. He'll fall for sure. Maybe not out of the first round, but I would think out of the top 10. Nobody is mentioning Melvin Gordon. I think he's going to be a great player. I wouldn't be shocked if he cracks the top 10 at all.

 

[Seaver41]

He would be off my board this early.....dont want another MILNER

don't want another Maybin either..

 

[Football51]

Tony Pauline @TonyPauline · 3h3 hours ago

I'm told it was the Dallas Cowboys who flagged Shane Ray as needing foot surgery but not all teams are convinced the procedure is needed.

 

[NYJDraftKing]

I think he will fall like a rock, out of the First Round.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Glad to see Seaver and LIJETSFAN in here. They are among the very best members of Scout. This forum is getting better by the day. We've got some solid posters in here!!