This dude's draft position is falling!!! LSU - OT- La’el Collins

[NYJDraftKing]

La’el Collins’ draft stock in question after ex-girlfriend’s murder...

The timing couldn’t be worse for La’el Collins.
Just two days before he was expected to be a first-round pick in the NFL Draft, the LSU offensive tackle was rocked by news that police in Baton Rouge, La., want to talk to him about the murder of a former girlfriend.

According to multiple outlets, police said Collins isn’t considered a suspect in the shooting death last Friday of Brittany Mills, 29, who was pregnant and delivered a boy that lived.

Police told the NFL Network they want to establish if Collins — who the network said hadn’t had contact with Mills since September — is the father of the child, while ESPN reported investigators want to see if Collins “can provide them with information.”

Collins, who also can play guard, is considered the fourth-best tackle available this year, and many mock drafts had him going to the Lions with the No. 23 pick Thursday night.

 

[Xmarco]

If he is not a person of interest or suspect then doubt it hurts him

 

[Pointdexter]

Just because they're not naming him as a suspect doesn't mean he's been ruled out yet. The mother of his child is murdered within a month of her due date, days before he's about to be a millionaire. This is quite the motive I would say. If he eliminates her and the baby then he saves himself a sizable chunk of his paycheck. He probably has a little coin in his pocket (fronted from his agent) and it can't be ruled out that he payed someone to do this for him.

I think it's awfully suspicious but I will give him the benefit of the doubt until when/if they find some evidence linking him to this crime. Another matter altogether is whether I would invest in this if I were running a company. That is a big fat no. 4 failed drug tests and now the murder of the mother of his child weeks before the delivery date. This is someone I wouldn't touch in the 6th round, let alone the 1st.

My guess is the 2nd round is the EARLIEST we can expect Collins coming off the board, and i would be surprised if it were that high.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Pdex is right, unless they have you dead to rights, it always starts with "we just want to ask you a few questions"

Haven't you guys ever watched Columbo?

When a homicide detective says "I just want to ask you a few questions", its time to lawyer up!

Incidentally this is exactly how it started with Aaron Hernandez. If you guys recall, initially they said he was not a suspect, they just wanted to ask him some questions. Now he's doing a life bit.

Anyway with this hanging over Collins, I'll be SHOCKED if any team even drafts him at all, much less in the first round.

That giant sucking sound you just heard was him being removed from draft boards all over the league.

 

[hobson54]

point - LSU CB jalen collins failed 4 drug test, not LSU o-lineman la'el collins

btw - given how much you've defended winston here over what you say are spurious accusations, it seems inconsistent to throw out the accusations you do when even the police have said he is not a suspect.

 

[maxmet]

imagine if he falls all the way to the Pats

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

... when even the police have said he is not a suspect.

It always starts that way, read my last post, unless they have you dead to rights, its always "you're not a suspect, we just have a few questions", they said the exact same thing about Hernandez in the initial stages of that investigation.

Now it may turn out Collins is clean as a whistle, but looking at the circumstances, he is absolutely a "person of interest"

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

imagine if he falls all the way to the Pats

After what the Pats just went thru with Hernandez, they wouldn't touch this guy with a ten foot poll.

 

[Pointdexter]

point - LSU CB jalen collins failed 4 drug test, not LSU o-lineman la'el collins

btw - given how much you've defended winston here over what you say are spurious accusations, it seems inconsistent to throw out the accusations you do when even the police have said he is not a suspect.

1) Oops, you're right on the Collins mix up. That is Jalen.

2) COMPLETELY different situation from Winston. I defended Winston because I knew the story and had read the numerous reports and DA documents of what was fact and what was fiction. I have posted the reasons that the complainant's accusation never went anywhere and I won't bother doing it again. The media hype machine was in full effect of making money hand over fist by milking this one and creating sensational headlines, just as they did in the Ferguson case.

The bottom line is I had some facts on the case and it was clear Winston didn't do what he was accused of. In this case, we have NO FACTS and the risk of investing a high resource (draft pick) into this player, who might be on murder trial in 6 months, is not a risk I would personally take. And that goes for Winston, Collins, or anyone else.

I think I did state above that I would give him the benefit of the doubt in my personal court of opinion, at least until something concrete comes out. But that is a different ballgame than what I would do if I were looking to hire him to my company and his success had a big impact on my own job status.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Just because they're not naming him as a suspect doesn't mean he's been ruled out yet. The mother of his child is murdered within a month of her due date, days before he's about to be a millionaire. This is quite the motive I would say. If he eliminates her and the baby then he saves himself a sizable chunk of his paycheck.

I think it's awfully suspicious ...

Indeed it is, and that is the definition of a suspect.

Anyone who doesn't think this guy is a suspect is clueless.

He may turn out to be innocent, but he absolutely had a motive and he's absolutely a suspect.

 

[maxmet]

After what the Pats just went thru with Hernandez, they wouldn't touch this guy with a ten foot poll.

But the discussion on tv while the Pats were on the clock would be amusing

Mel - "Pats cant go here after the hernandez experience"

Gruden - "To be fair Mel, the guy has not been accused of any wrong doing"

Mel - "Just being involved in a murder case would be a big problem from the Pats perspective"

Berman - "They might be able to get a volume discount on criminal defense lawyers"

Mel "Seriously, the Pats just dont want to be near this criminal case"

Berman - "We have Ray Lewis in baltimore, Ray, oh, we seem to have lost Ray for technical reasons.........so Mel, where do you think the Pats go?"

 

[hobson54]

Just because they're not naming him as a suspect doesn't mean he's been ruled out yet. The mother of his child is murdered within a month of her due date, days before he's about to be a millionaire. This is quite the motive I would say. If he eliminates her and the baby then he saves himself a sizable chunk of his paycheck. He probably has a little coin in his pocket (fronted from his agent) and it can't be ruled out that he payed someone to do this for him.

2) COMPLETELY different situation from Winston. I defended Winston because I knew the story and had read the numerous reports and DA documents of what was fact and what was fiction. I have posted the reasons that the complainant's accusation never went anywhere and I won't bother doing it again. The media hype machine was in full effect of making money hand over fist by milking this one and creating sensational headlines, just as they did in the Ferguson case.

The bottom line is I had some facts on the case and it was clear Winston didn't do what he was accused of. In this case, we have NO FACTS and the risk of investing a high resource (draft pick) into this player, who might be on murder trial in 6 months, is not a risk I would personally take. And that goes for Winston, Collins, or anyone else.

I think I did state above that I would give him the benefit of the doubt in my personal court of opinion, at least until something concrete comes out. But that is a different ballgame than what I would do if I were looking to hire him to my company and his success had a big impact on my own job status.

yes, you did state you'd give him the benefit of the doubt. but in the first post, you ran with some conspiracy theory, and i would have thought that given what you saw winston go through, that you would be a little hesitant to throw some wild conspiracy theories out there.

i don't disagree that it raises an eyebrow, and Ham is right that cops often say someone isn't a suspect until they are a suspect. so i can see teams being leery of drafting him, especially in the aftermath of aaron hernandez.

 

[ucrenegade]

If he is not a person of interest or suspect then doubt it hurts him

what they say to the media and what they investigate behind the scenes are generally two different things.

That happened down here a little boy went missing about 10 miles from me and for two days the police said they have no suspects and are looking for the boy. When the boy was finally found they made it seem like they didn't know how he got in the septic tank and even let the parents attend the funeral and a couple days later they arrested the parents for killing him. The police then reported they had a good idea when it was first reported he was missing but didn't mention because he didn't want the parents to think they were suspects and might move the body.

 

[Superman55]

Just because they're not naming him as a suspect doesn't mean he's been ruled out yet. The mother of his child is murdered within a month of her due date, days before he's about to be a millionaire. This is quite the motive I would say. If he eliminates her and the baby then he saves himself a sizable chunk of his paycheck. He probably has a little coin in his pocket (fronted from his agent) and it can't be ruled out that he payed someone to do this for him.

I think it's awfully suspicious but I will give him the benefit of the doubt until when/if they find some evidence linking him to this crime. Another matter altogether is whether I would invest in this if I were running a company. That is a big fat no. 4 failed drug tests and now the murder of the mother of his child weeks before the delivery date. This is someone I wouldn't touch in the 6th round, let alone the 1st.

My guess is the 2nd round is the EARLIEST we can expect Collins coming off the board, and i would be surprised if it were that high.

This collins didnt fail the drug tests...Jalen Collins CB LSU failed 4 drug tests. la'el collins has not failed any drug tests to the bets of my knowledge.

My understanding is the investigation is for paternity purposes to ensure the baby is truly his and for him to take responsibility for the child now that the mother has passes.

I know Im in the minority, but I would take him #37 . I still think he's the Zach martin of this draft and a tragedy happening to his ex-girlfriend where all signs and reports is he hasn't seen her in almost 5 months according to police shouldnt cause him to fall off the table...and would still be a steal as one of the best if not the best olinemen in the draft falls in your lap at 37.

 

[Pointdexter]

yes, you did state you'd give him the benefit of the doubt. but in the first post, you ran with some conspiracy theory, and i would have thought that given what you saw winston go through, that you would be a little hesitant to throw some wild conspiracy theories out there.

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Again, this is all very simple. Giving him my personal benefit of the doubt is different than making a professional decision that my job depends on.

Secondly, I would hardly call what I said a "wild conspiracy theory". This is one of the very first motives the cops are looking at and investigating. You can bet on that being true.

Lastly, if Winston was the one going through this I would be saying the exact same thing. It is too big of a risk to take professionally until he is cleared by the legal process, as Winston was at the time I defended him.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

My understanding is the investigation is for paternity purposes to ensure the baby is truly his and for him to take responsibility for the child now that the mother has passes.

If thats all they wanted to know, child services would be dealing with it.

No sir, Super, when a homicide detective wants to talk to you about the murder of your ex GF who was carrying your child when she was killed, you would be well advised to clam up and call a good lawyer, unless you are innocent and you have an iron-clad alibi, and even then you might want to call a lawyer all the same.

 

[Superman55]

1) Oops, you're right on the Collins mix up. That is Jalen.

2) COMPLETELY different situation from Winston. I defended Winston because I knew the story and had read the numerous reports and DA documents of what was fact and what was fiction. I have posted the reasons that the complainant's accusation never went anywhere and I won't bother doing it again. The media hype machine was in full effect of making money hand over fist by milking this one and creating sensational headlines, just as they did in the Ferguson case.

The bottom line is I had some facts on the case and it was clear Winston didn't do what he was accused of. In this case, we have NO FACTS and the risk of investing a high resource (draft pick) into this player, who might be on murder trial in 6 months, is not a risk I would personally take. And that goes for Winston, Collins, or anyone else.

I think I did state above that I would give him the benefit of the doubt in my personal court of opinion, at least until something concrete comes out. But that is a different ballgame than what I would do if I were looking to hire him to my company and his success had a big impact on my own job status.

Sorry, hadnt read this post yet where you saw is was Jalen and not La'el.

 

[Superman55]

If thats all they wanted to know, child services would be dealing with it.

No sir, Super, when a homicide detective wants to talk to you about the murder of your ex GF who was carrying your child when she was killed, you would be well advised to clam up and call a good lawyer, unless you are innocent and you have an iron-clad alibi, and even then you might want to call a lawyer all the same.

You can believe your conspiracy theories. Right now, I believe the police and have no reason to believe otherwise. Earlier I said it had been 5 months since he last saw her...I stand corrected, it has been 9 months.

"Police told the NFL Network they want to establish if Collins — who the network said hadn’t had contact with Mills since September — is the father of the child, while ESPN reported investigators want to see if Collins “can provide them with information.”

http://nypost.com/2015/04/29/lael-collins-draft-stock-in-question-after-ex-girlfriends-murder/

Im not going to pretend a guy is guilty because police asked to talk to him.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

You can believe your conspiracy theories. Right now, I believe the police and have no reason to believe otherwise. Earlier I said it had been 5 months since he last saw her...I stand corrected, it has been 9 months.

"Police told the NFL Network they want to establish if Collins — who the network said hadn’t had contact with Mills since September — is the father of the child, while ESPN reported investigators want to see if Collins “can provide them with information.”

http://nypost.com/2015/04/29/lael-collins-draft-stock-in-question-after-ex-girlfriends-murder/

Im not going to pretend a guy is guilty because police asked to talk to him.

Go back to the early stages of the Aaron Hernandez investigation. I followed that case pretty closely so I vividly recall the chronology of events. Initially he was NOT named as a suspect. Quite the contrary, the Boston PD went out of their way to tell the media that Hernandez was NOT a suspect, they simply wanted to ask him some questions.

There's a reason why detectives, particularly homicide detectives, take that initial tact. They do not want the "person of interest" to do as I suggested, which is to clam up and lawyer up. Most cases are solved by someones willingness to talk to the police, thats why the first thing any criminal defense attorney will tell you is to NOT speak to the police, even if you are innocent. Thats the purpose behind not calling someone a suspect until you've actually arrested them.

 

[Superman55]

Go back to the early stages of the Aaron Hernandez investigation. I followed that case pretty closely so I vividly recall the chronology of events. Initially he was NOT named as a suspect. Quite the contrary, the Boston PD went out of their way to tell the media that Hernandez was NOT a suspect, they simply wanted to ask him some questions.

There's a reason why detectives, particularly homicide detectives, take that initial tact. They do not want the "person of interest" to do as I suggested, which is to clam up and lawyer up. Most cases are solved by someones willingness to talk to the police, thats why the first thing any criminal defense attorney will tell you is to NOT speak to the police, even if you are innocent. Thats the purpose behind not calling someone a suspect until you've actually arrested them.

im trying to be optimistic.