With the Second Round pick the NY Jets select ????

[ucrenegade]

I didnt say the rationale for the feeling was the same. Even if we always took BPA last year, but kept missing on the deep WR class, Id feel that way. Last year we missed on a stacked WR class because we reached. This year it may be due to BPA. It still feels like we're not filling any holes...which I felt was our biggest issues with 12 draft picks and $50+ mill cap space last year...all this money and picks and no holes filled. In free agency we filled holes, but went into the draft like most 4-12 teams...still with a lot of holes. Yesterday I felt we have a chance to fill a hole where Marshall is an aging big WR on his lsat team/contract...we can groom a replacement...same can probably be said for Brick. instead, we filled a position with 3 25 or less year olds already on the roster...meaning 1 or 2 will get bumped off the roster in their prime down the road. So you can cheer for BPA, but lets see if you are cheer in 3 years when Sheldon Richardson is a Raider. SG3 will say something stupid like having Williams had nothing to do with Sheldon on the Raiders, or Miami, etc...but locking up Mo or Sheldon would be a priority if not for Williams...so there is an impact.

Too many people are excited for the short term...im worried about the long term. You cant pay Sheldon, Mo, and Williams $15 mill a year each...you just cant. So dont draft the position if you cant sign the 25-26 year old pro bowlers at the position on the roster if you draft another 3-4 DE...

The difference is that luckily for us their will be more than one draft before we have to make those decisions as long as all 3 are performing we can dangle any of those in a trade.

You say people are not thinking long term I think the issue is your not thinking long-term enough.

A team is built for the future and present and as long as those philosophies are there then the future can take care of itself.

That was the problem with the last regime they had no depth which made it hard for them to make future moves in order to keep the team fresh and stocked.

If drafting williams will help us land a player like hack how would you feel then?

 

[OCCH]

Too many people are excited for the short term...im worried about the long term. You cant pay Sheldon, Mo, and Williams $15 mill a year each...you just cant. So dont draft the position if you cant sign the 25-26 year old pro bowlers at the position on the roster if you draft another 3-4 DE...

I think you have it completely opposite. How is getting a player at a position of strength a "short-term" philosophy? By definition, drafting for need is short-term thinking, because what if a player like Owusu breaks out this year? What if a perceived need solves itself with talent already on the roster (or made available at a more reasonable price than the 6th pick of the draft?)

Will we be able to keep all three studs on the DL? Probably not, but maybe that's WHY you get Williams -- because Mo is asking for JJWatt money, and paying that would hurt the team long-term. Replacing him with a player who will be cheaper (and possibly better) over the next few years is a LONG-TERM perspective. Knowing that you'll have more money to give Sheldon (who most think is the better of the two) shows LONG-TERM preparation. Making sure our defense can survive a Jenkins-like injury is long-term by nature.

If we have incompetent fools running our organization, then we have bigger problems than the salary cap. Let's see what Bowles can do, and if he's truly the guru we think he is, there's NO WAY we'll regret taking the best player in the draft instead of a kid who only runs routes on one side of the field . . .

 

[OCCH]

he can develop into JJ Watt, and Ill still be pissed every time I watch Sheldon Richardson make a big play on his new team because we drafted the next JJ Watt to replace him when we cant afford to sign Williams and Sheldon when the time comes...

Its easy to be excited now until you see Mo getting 10-12 sacks a year for Houston or Sheldon on the Raisers...

The reason our oline stinks now is because we didnt resign a 26 year old RT. I guess down the line when we dont resign a 26 year old sheldon, we can look back and be excited that we drafted his replacement when he never needed to be replaced...

I don't know why you think getting Williams will keep us from resigning Mo AND Sheldon.

I also don't know why this regime is getting blamed for a poor decision made by the previous one . . .

 

[atmorrisjr]

This pick needs to be BOPA

Defense is probably top 3 already........

 

[Pointdexter]

The factor here that we're not focusing enough on is what Mo is asking for. If the rumors are true that he's for asking for Suh money then I am in agreement that we did the right thing. The Pats have kept themselves competitive for over a decade by refusing to break the bank for anyone but their franchise QB. No position, other than QB, is worth that money and paying it will hurt your roster in the long run.

If Mo is asking for that kind of contract then we can't blame our front office. They have no choice but to move on.

 

[hobson54]

I didnt say the rationale for the feeling was the same. Even if we always took BPA last year, but kept missing on the deep WR class, Id feel that way. Last year we missed on a stacked WR class because we reached. This year it may be due to BPA. It still feels like we're not filling any holes...which I felt was our biggest issues with 12 draft picks and $50+ mill cap space last year...all this money and picks and no holes filled. In free agency we filled holes, but went into the draft like most 4-12 teams...still with a lot of holes. Yesterday I felt we have a chance to fill a hole where Marshall is an aging big WR on his lsat team/contract...we can groom a replacement...same can probably be said for Brick. instead, we filled a position with 3 25 or less year olds already on the roster...meaning 1 or 2 will get bumped off the roster in their prime down the road. So you can cheer for BPA, but lets see if you are cheer in 3 years when Sheldon Richardson is a Raider. SG3 will say something stupid like having Williams had nothing to do with Sheldon on the Raiders, or Miami, etc...but locking up Mo or Sheldon would be a priority if not for Williams...so there is an impact.

Too many people are excited for the short term...im worried about the long term. You cant pay Sheldon, Mo, and Williams $15 mill a year each...you just cant. So dont draft the position if you cant sign the 25-26 year old pro bowlers at the position on the roster if you draft another 3-4 DE...

well this year's draft isn't over, so i will hold out on the WR comments. if we get strong or DGB today, we can address the need to replace marshall down the line.

as to brick aging, who exactly at #6 would you want to have them picked?

wrt to the stacked d-line, i completely understand the criticism and also question how they will be able to retain all them. then again, they may have seen the handwriting on the wall, with mo wanting a new deal, snacks reaching FA next year, and richardson a few years away from his payday. so it's possible that by getting williams (who it's possible could turn into the best of them all), they are able to replace expensive players with a relatively cheap player on a rookie contract.

again, my preference was white. i was clear on that. but WR really isn't that huge of a need either with decker, marshall, kerley and amaro (as a receiving outlet) already in place, and this being yet another strong WR draft, there is still talent out there. given the dearth of trades league-wide, we can't just say they should have traded down. i'd guess they worked the phones (hence picking with less than 10 seconds left). so if they weren't taking the WR (which wasn't really the top priority), i'd much rather them take the better talent then reach on an OLB or OL in that spot.

 

[hobson54]

The reason our oline stinks now is because we didnt resign a 26 year old RT. I guess down the line when we dont resign a 26 year old sheldon, we can look back and be excited that we drafted his replacement when he never needed to be replaced...

austin howard is now playing RG for the raiders, having been beaten out for the RT spot by khalif barnes. let's not make him some superstar player who's departure made our line terrible. and we had the money to sign him, but chose to go another direction. so while that can add to your idzik ledger, it had nothing to do with not having the money.

 

[ucrenegade]

besides if anything revis's contract is the one that could hinder us in signing mo long term.

If revis took a decent contract we could have sheldon,mo,and williams locked up for the next 5 years which is easily enough time to find marshall's replacement.

 

[Seaver41]

wow....can't believe people are complaining about the best player in the draft. Talent is talent. Sadly this team has not had enough of it for years. Complaining about Williams is clear indication of wanting to draft need over BPA. That philosophy has so far gotten us how many decades of misery. The only WR I see as sure thing is Cooper and once he was gone that was it for upper crust options. White is somewhat untested coming from the scheme he played in so I wouldn't get all flustered about White. He may turn out great, but until we get a real QB, we aren't going to be maximizing WR potential.

Look at what happened once Mangini left the Jets. The drafts started to suck. No depth was built as aging stars left and Tannenbaum was clueless as far as drafting goes. Now you have a GM who is committed to adding talent....at least if you go by the first pick and free agent moves. I'm excited to see what other starters he will find in remaining picks.

 

[Superman55]

wow....can't believe people are complaining about the best player in the draft. Talent is talent. Sadly this team has not had enough of it for years. Complaining about Williams is clear indication of wanting to draft need over BPA. That philosophy has so far gotten us how many decades of misery. The only WR I see as sure thing is Cooper and once he was gone that was it for upper crust options. White is somewhat untested coming from the scheme he played in so I wouldn't get all flustered about White. He may turn out great, but until we get a real QB, we aren't going to be maximizing WR potential.

Look at what happened once Mangini left the Jets. The drafts started to suck. No depth was built as aging stars left and Tannenbaum was clueless as far as drafting goes. Now you have a GM who is committed to adding talent....at least if you go by the first pick and free agent moves. I'm excited to see what other starters he will find in remaining picks.

Technically, due to a lack of talent, my preference would have been to trade down, acquired more picks, and added depth across the roster at many positions of need...not 1 great addition to a non position of need. You know, Mac's portfolio analogy...the one he didnt use...

 

[Seaver41]

Technically, due to a lack of talent, my preference would have been to trade down, acquired more picks, and added depth across the roster at many positions of need...not 1 great addition to a non position of need. You know, Mac's portfolio analogy...the one he didnt use...

I preferred a trade down IF the premium talent was gone. I was looking at Fowler or Cooper.......and not Williams only because I thought there was zero chance he would be there.....but no way do I let the BEST rated player in the draft slip by so I can add another couple lottery tickets with much less promise of having significant impact. Of course this hypothetical, but play along...what is the rationale in passing up a HOFer to draft a couple role players? That's essentially the philosophy in play no matter what you chose to do. You're slotting these players based on what impact you expect. Cream of the crop you are expecting a long career with HOF implications. Pass that up? Ridiculous.

 

[jetfandreamer]

I would love to trade back tonight around 10 or spots for another pick ..but teams that had no !st Seattle..too far down..and Buffalo division rival seem like unrealistic options....maybe Saints..as they have a plethora of picks in top 100...THEY HAVE 44 but also 75 and 78...maybe 35 for 44 and 75 or 78 ??

 

[atmorrisjr]

I can understand both points of view, but I think talent is talent. You need play makers on any football team, and you can't ignore that when arguably the best player in the draft, certainly one of the 3 best, drops to your slot. I don't see how you don't make that pick.

Maybe they will manage to keep the whole front down the road, and maybe not. It's impossible to tell right now, and that is the reality of today's big contracts anyway. There are MANY ways to accomplish that goal IF everyone involved really wants to do so, so who knows.

There is little doubt that Mo has lost his leverage now. I'd rather lose Coples than Mo, but Mo's not going to get the big, Suh-like, contract here now....and there are others interested. The Jets will try to keep him, I'm sure, but I can't imagine that MO is long for Florham Park.

 

[Superman55]

I preferred a trade down IF the premium talent was gone. I was looking at Fowler or Cooper.......and not Williams only because I thought there was zero chance he would be there.....but no way do I let the BEST rated player in the draft slip by so I can add another couple lottery tickets with much less promise of having significant impact. Of course this hypothetical, but play along...what is the rationale in passing up a HOFer to draft a couple role players? That's essentially the philosophy in play no matter what you chose to do. You're slotting these players based on what impact you expect. Cream of the crop you are expecting a long career with HOF implications. Pass that up? Ridiculous.

I feel like we already have 2 of those. now 3. Im not arguing his talent. Having 1 jerry rice is nice. Having 2 Jerry rice's would be awesome. Having 3...well, eventually, when most times you can only play 2, you have to start thinking how many Jerry Rice's do I need on my football team. Last year with two jerry rice's on the dline we won 4 games. Great, now we have 3. Are we going to win 5 games now? Obviously, we've upgraded other areas and I feel we can win 8 games probably. But next year do we draft Jerry Rice #4 at 3-4 DE...when do you stop?

I seriously think Mo, Sheldon, and Williams can all make the HOF. They have that level of talent.

 

[raideraholic]

he can develop into JJ Watt, and Ill still be pissed every time I watch Sheldon Richardson make a big play on his new team because we drafted the next JJ Watt to replace him when we cant afford to sign Williams and Sheldon when the time comes...

Its easy to be excited now until you see Mo getting 10-12 sacks a year for Houston or Sheldon on the Raisers...

The reason our oline stinks now is because we didnt resign a 26 year old RT. I guess down the line when we dont resign a 26 year old sheldon, we can look back and be excited that we drafted his replacement when he never needed to be replaced...

But there is simple no way Sheldon Richardson could be a Raider. The Raiders could have eighty million dollars( projected to have in 2016) and they still would not be able to get him. see N Suh). The Raiders owner isn't a billionaire . When you sign a big time free agent you have to put a large chunk ( 60 million up front in escrow for injury- using Suh example)
That almost impossible amount for the Raider owner to come up with that much cash, while a billionaire treats it like couch cash.

 

[cysporsche]

I had Cooper @ 6 & Eli Harold @ 37, but after Cooper was picked, I thought for sure the Skins were going to snag Williams. My wife and I were rooting for White WR when the Jets were on the clock.

Now I'm torn @ 37 because technically Harold & Gregory were College DE's that can be converted to OLB which we need. But I now cringe when I hear the word DE, because we already have so many on our current roster. I think Harold will be gone quickly tonight because I'm hearing Gregory has more problems besides his marijuana strike. He might be skating on the wrong side of the ice ?

Funny story about Williams, even though he's from Daytona Beach, he does not own a car, he travels everywhere on a skateboard !

Macc just made an interesting comment that Williams was #1 on the Jets Big Board defensively, but #3 on the offensive side. Wonder who was #1 & #2 ? Winston or Mariota & Cooper is my bet.

Going into todays 2nd round, why not trade Big Mo for a crappy teams #1 next year in the 2016 Draft, so we can land our future QB with the Penn St. or Michigan St. QB ? I'm afraid Mo's agent is looking for stupid money and Macc will trade him ?

Go Jets...Cyborg

 

[Seaver41]

I feel like we already have 2 of those. now 3. Im not arguing his talent. Having 1 jerry rice is nice. Having 2 Jerry rice's would be awesome. Having 3...well, eventually, when most times you can only play 2, you have to start thinking how many Jerry Rice's do I need on my football team. Last year with two jerry rice's on the dline we won 4 games. Great, now we have 3. Are we going to win 5 games now? Obviously, we've upgraded other areas and I feel we can win 8 games probably. But next year do we draft Jerry Rice #4 at 3-4 DE...when do you stop?

so are you guaranteeing perfect health along the DL if we avoid picking Williams? I'm not suggesting anyone draft in case of injuries, but they are a real consideration. I get the idea of filling holes, but Rome wasn't built in a day and you don't pass up the BEST rated player if he falls in your lap. Honestly, I thought they would get offers to trade out, but maybe they didn't get a good one - teams maybe calling the Jets bluff they wouldn't draft him...who knows.

All I know is we have the best rated player in the draft at #6 money..........how can that be a bad thing? Now it's up to the GM to find us players to fill the other holes. His job is far from done.

btw...in the event you ended up with 3 Jerry Rices..........you then don't have a headache, you have VALUE. There's only one position I'm trading one of these DL guys for - QB.

 

[NCgreen12]

Buffalo has (maybe now it's had!) the best defensive line in football, Miami added Suh to an already good defensive line and NE always gives us defensive issues. I don't care how many weapons you have without the big guys up front it means nothing. We need to focus at least two of the picks on our OL.

BTW- all three AFC east teams should be saying the same thing as above..

 

[AFA2017]

I preferred a trade down IF the premium talent was gone. I was looking at Fowler or Cooper.......and not Williams only because I thought there was zero chance he would be there.....but no way do I let the BEST rated player in the draft slip by so I can add another couple lottery tickets with much less promise of having significant impact. Of course this hypothetical, but play along...what is the rationale in passing up a HOFer to draft a couple role players? That's essentially the philosophy in play no matter what you chose to do. You're slotting these players based on what impact you expect. Cream of the crop you are expecting a long career with HOF implications. Pass that up? Ridiculous.

I have also heard that Williams has a shoulder problem. Every year its, "Let the GM do his job". The GM's have been doing there jobs for the last 45 years. How many times have we been in a SuperBowl in that time frame? If MCCG is as good of a GM as most think, he MUST have a good draft on days 2 & 3. That's where our past GM's have sucked!

 

[lounap23]

I'll take Gregory, Harold, DGB, Petty or Grayson, Smith, Fisher, Duke Johnson. We have lots of options


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