With the Second Round pick the NY Jets select ????

[NCgreen12]

If you look at the type of receiver the Jets need - they already have the shifty slot guy in Kerley, they have the big precise route running number two guy in Decker and have the big all around catch everything guy in Marshall.

They now need an over the top speed guy to complete the set. Shouldn't Devin Smith be our best option.

 

[SackExchange]

The second and third rounds of this draft are deep, but I doubt a stud lands in the Jets' lap the way it did in the first. There are some very good players at positions of need. I'd prefer WR, OL, or OLB, while looking at QB a little later - perhaps Mannion.

So if you go WR, OL, or OLB in the second, and you have the fifth pick in the round, at most only four of:

WR - Green-Berkham
WR - Strong
WR - Smith
OL - Fisher
OL - Clemmings
OLB - Harold
DE/OLB - Gregory

I'd take Gregory out of it right now. Even without him, you're either getting Harold, a solid OT, or a solid WR. Can't complain about that.

 

[AFA2017]

The second and third rounds of this draft are deep, but I doubt a stud lands in the Jets' lap the way it did in the first. There are some very good players at positions of need. I'd prefer WR, OL, or OLB, while looking at QB a little later - perhaps Mannion.

So if you go WR, OL, or OLB in the second, and you have the fifth pick in the round, at most only four of:

WR - Green-Berkham
WR - Strong
WR - Smith
OL - Fisher
OL - Clemmings
OLB - Harold
DE/OLB - Gregory

I'd take Gregory out of it right now. Even without him, you're either getting Harold, a solid OT, or a solid WR. Can't complain about that.

I agree with you, but you have to try and understand MCCG. If he is going BPA, regardless what you want. We need to set are sights on, who are the BPA regardless of position. Does that make sense?

 

[hobson54]

What if the BPA is a Defensive Lineman?

i just made a longish post on this in the leonard williams thread, but in brief, i don't think it was just a matter of strict BPA (i.e. the guy on top of your board when you are up). it's also a matter of how much better you have him rated vis-a-vis the other options.

williams is widely considered an ELITE talent. so i can see him representing that much of a value proposition over anyone else who was on the board at 6. (note, i liked and wanted white...but we don't know how the jets graded these guys)

i find it hard to believe that any DT left when we pick will represent that much of a disparate value proposition vis-a-vis the other prospects near the top of our board when we pick. we aren't dealing with the elite prospects anymore. we are talking about players in the mid-to-late 30 range.

 

[lounap23]

If you look at the type of receiver the Jets need - they already have the shifty slot guy in Kerley, they have the big precise route running number two guy in Decker and have the big all around catch everything guy in Marshall.

They now need an over the top speed guy to complete the set. Shouldn't Devin Smith be our best option.

If we go WR and Green-Beckham is there... He is our best option... If he is gone then I agree Smith would be the WR I want..

 

[SackExchange]

I agree with you, but you have to try and understand MCCG. If he is going BPA, regardless what you want. We need to set are sights on, who are the BPA regardless of position. Does that make sense?

You are assuming that Maccagnan is such an ideologue with BPA over need that he would take a slightly better DL or CB over a slightly lower ranked OLB, WR, or OL. I don't believe that to be the case.

Don't use Williams as a litmus test for that. Williams was consensus WAY higher than anyone else remaining on the board. The gap was pretty big, by most accounts. I don't think the board is that way right now. So, no, I don't see Maccagnan picking a DL if he's the top guy on his board, but his next guy, his 1A, is a WR or OLB.

 

[AFA2017]

You are assuming that Maccagnan is such an ideologue with BPA over need that he would take a slightly better DL or CB over a slightly lower ranked OLB, WR, or OL. I don't believe that to be the case.

Don't use Williams as a litmus test for that. Williams was consensus WAY higher than anyone else remaining on the board. The gap was pretty big, by most accounts. I don't think the board is that way right now. So, no, I don't see Maccagnan picking a DL if he's the top guy on his board, but his next guy, his 1A, is a WR or OLB.

From what I am reading, you and Hopson must be in the War room with Maccagnan and Bowles. It seems they have changed from BPA!

 

[SackExchange]

From what I am reading, you and Hopson must be in the War room with Maccagnan and Bowles. It seems they have changed from BPA!

I don't know about the Jets' board, per se, but every mock and public board out there rated Williams way higher than anyone else who was available at #6 .

Some mocks had him in a top two pick, over one of the two QBs. I believe he was the ONLY non-QB to be afforded a top two pick on any public draft. And by most accounts, if you discount the bonus points that players get in the draft for playing QB, Williams was by almost all accounts the best football player in the draft. And he was available at #6 .

 

[Sarge]

Tevin Coleman is my official guess

He's good value, fits the type of back Gailey likes, and I honestly believe we have 3 or 4 good younger WRS on the roster (Evans, Enunwa, Owusu, Powell)

 

[Superman55]

I have also heard that Williams has a shoulder problem. Every year its, "Let the GM do his job". The GM's have been doing there jobs for the last 45 years. How many times have we been in a SuperBowl in that time frame? If MCCG is as good of a GM as most think, he MUST have a good draft on days 2 & 3. That's where our past GM's have sucked!

Sucked is putting it nicely. Our rd 2 draft history is dreadful...since the Alex Van Dyke days...

 

[Superman55]

Tevin Coleman is my official guess

He's good value, fits the type of back Gailey likes, and I honestly believe we have 3 or 4 good younger WRS on the roster (Evans, Enunwa, Owusu, Powell)

hope you are right

 

[hobson54]

From what I am reading, you and Hopson must be in the War room with Maccagnan and Bowles. It seems they have changed from BPA!

you are really good at making broad generalizations - be it about people's posts or macc's draft strategy.

obviously none of us are in the war room. the same goes for you i would add. so we don't know what the strategy is.

if you look at macc's comments about williams, he said (to paraphrase) they felt his value was too good to pass up. he did not say they picked him based on a rigid adherence to taking the BPA, no ifs, ands or buts.

maybe you can stop acting like a but(t) and show some respect to fellow posters instead of sarcastic comments...

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Sack, forget the mocks, the mocks were always going to have a QB 1 if not 1 and 2 due to needs and positional value.

What you really need to look at are the big boards, and just about every big board had Leonard Williams # 1

MAYOCK

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000488358/article/2015-nfl-draft-mike-mayocks-top-100-prospects

JEREMIAH

http://www.nfl.com/top50

BRANDT

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...onard-williams-top-prospect-in-2015-nfl-draft

BROOKS

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-30-vic-beasley-continues-rapid-rise-in-draft

HUDDLE REPORT

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/valueboard.shtml

CBS

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings

TFY

http://www.draftinsider.net/top-prospects


I can keep going, but you get the idea

 

[SackExchange]

Every year it's the same. Every year, the armchair GMs scream and shout that the team didn't draft the guy they knew was the next Hall of Famer. And they do it from the safety of their laptops, never scrutinized for their projections.

If they are right about it, they will never let anyone ever forget that they wanted the team to pick that guy, and they would be a better GM than the bum (fill in the blank) is now.

If they are wrong about it, they will either ignore or deny that they ever said they wanted that guy, never being held responsible for their wrong picks - but reminding everyone of the ones they got right.

Ah, the joys of being an armchair GM.

 

[Superman55]

you are really good at making broad generalizations - be it about people's posts or macc's draft strategy.

obviously none of us are in the war room. the same goes for you i would add. so we don't know what the strategy is.

if you look at macc's comments about williams, he said (to paraphrase) they felt his value was too good to pass up. he did not say they picked him based on a rigid adherence to taking the BPA, no ifs, ands or buts.

maybe you can stop acting like a but(t) and show some respect to fellow posters instead of sarcastic comments...

We also dont know Mos contract demands. As point pointed out, he may have handed them Suhs contract and said, "here you go." There are variables we dont know. That is for sure, even as someone who is questioning the pick.

 

[Superman55]

Every year it's the same. Every year, the armchair GMs scream and shout that the team didn't draft the guy they knew was the next Hall of Famer. And they do it from the safety of their laptops, never scrutinized for their projections.

If they are right about it, they will never let anyone ever forget that they wanted the team to pick that guy, and they would be a better GM than the bum (fill in the blank) is now.

If they are wrong about it, they will either ignore or deny that they ever said they wanted that guy, never being held responsible for their wrong picks - but reminding everyone of the ones they got right.

Ah, the joys of being an armchair GM.

welcome to message boards...first day?

 

[SackExchange]

welcome to message boards...first day?

Nope. I've been around to know how such boards get filled with know-it-alls.

Doesn't mean I have to like it, or the people who do it.

 

[soj]

Technically, due to a lack of talent, my preference would have been to trade down, acquired more picks, and added depth across the roster at many positions of need...not 1 great addition to a non position of need. You know, Mac's portfolio analogy...the one he didnt use...

55 go to http://www.newyorkjets.com/ and listen to their comments on the draft. there were no calls to trade either up or down and he said he called teams above and below. So my point is you need a trading partner.... we didn't have one so your argument is moot.

After listening to the new regime discuss the draft and williams pick, I feel a lot better and now in the camp with Server....

 

[Football51]

Macc said that he tried to trade down, but the offers weren't great enough for him to pass on a talent like Williams. Besides, it was reported that the Jets didn't want to move down too far. Let's say the Falcons called and offered a 4th. Why would Macc pass on an elite prospect for that?

 

[Football51]

Oh, and I can see us going olb in round two. That should draw an interesting response.