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By far and away the WORST pick in this draft. A real head scratcher. This team has DL up the ying yang and yet we feel the need to add yet another. This is a complete waste of a 7th round selection.
Pick # 223 Jets select Deon Simon NT NW State
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My 1st reaction was exactly the sane when I heard the pick. I did not know anything about the player all I saw was DT. Then I read up on him. He is actually a need because he plays NT and from what I have read has the chance to be very good at it. All D-lineman are not the same just because we are stocked elsewhere does not mean a good backup NT was not needed.
Exactly right.
We lost Kendrick Ellis who was our backup NT a year ago, and what do we really know about TJ Barnes?
Also our starting NT, Damon Harrison, will be a free agent after this year, and with the money we have to pay Mo, Sheldon and Williams, its highly unlike we can pay Snacks too, and it doesn't matter how stacked we are elsewhere, only these few have the size and strength to play 3-4 NT, and thats where Simon projects.
HYATT™ found Josh Sitton EXACTLY that way.
Watching tape on Kevin Smith from Central Florida, HYATT™ noticed the blocking of Sitton was responsible for most of his yardage over the right side.
SOLD, immediately, not on Smith, but on Sitton as a "must-have" for Green Bay and pumped the Holy Shit out of him for a month before GB scouts went down there and ACCIDENTALLY noticed him at the end of the workouts because everyone else had hit the showers and Sitton was still werkin' his arse off clear across the field.
He wasn't the least bit concerned with the Packers scouts, just wanted to keep improving himself.
MY kinda football player.
33rd ranked OT, he wasn't even supposed to get picked up as an UDFA, but the Packers reached for him in Rd 4 & I swore to Packers fans that he'd make All-Pro as a Guard.
He did - 2nd team twice now & 2 Pro Bowls too.
Me likee Simon's value as a 7th rounder, incidentally, for whatever little that's worth.
lol...it was a bloody 7th round pick.
nothing makes me laugh more than the arm chair GMs trashing the 223rd selection of the draft, as if they have a clue about any of the players taken at this juncture.
First thing that came to mind with this pick was the departure of Kenrick Ellis. This is just a depth move.
But we're Jets fans, so let's find a reason to bash the front office. What next? Billboards because the GM selected two defensive linemen, one of whom was the top player in the draft selected in the sixth spot?
I know other fan bases have armchair GMs, but I don't know of any fan bases that hate their favorite team with the passion that some Jets fans hate the Jets.
But we're Jets fans, so let's find a reason to bash the front office. What next? Billboards because the GM selected two defensive linemen, one of whom was the top player in the draft selected in the sixth spot?
I know other fan bases have armchair GMs, but I don't know of any fan bases that hate their favorite team with the passion that some Jets fans hate the Jets.
Nothing wrong with making your best unit even better and deeper. Depth should never be questioned.
The thing about pipelines is, they don't much care who's oil gets put in them, where it came from, or what type of oil it is.
All pipelines care about is where what's in them, ends up.
HYATT™ thinks the NJ pipeline is doing a pretty effective job of delivering ALL of it's oil these days.
Might some of you prefer North Sea Brent light crude over Venezuelan heavy sulfur crude?
Perhaps, but to the diesel idling in NJ, it all burns pretty much the same and keeps the engine running smoothly.
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Mainejet
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They could have used that pick to address a million other needs.... FB, Punter, Kicker... There was still good value out there for certain positions.
They CHOSE to draft a NT when the fact is we do not have to pay the house to Snacks. Snacks contract will certainly NOT prevent us from signing Mo and Sheldon, Snacks will get chump change in comparison.
Kendrick Ellis was a 3rd round pick that never lived up to expectations, so we're are saving a bundle by letting him go anyway in comparison to what Snacks and Barnes will come for.
You and others are grasping at straws here. Just tell it like it is. Just because it's your team and mine does not mean we can't call a spade a spade.
They also completely neglected OT - a major need for this team IMO. So I'll pass on giving the Jets an "A". They got a "B" and that is completely objective as far as I can tell.
MJ, which OT did you prefer that we draft with that 7th RD Pick, can we have a specific name?
If you are going to argue that we should have taken an OT instead, its only fair you tell us which one you had in mind?
I didn't see any OT's on the board in that spot who were the answer to anything, but maybe I missed it.
If you are going to argue that we should have taken an OT instead, its only fair you tell us which one you had in mind?
I didn't see any OT's on the board in that spot who were the answer to anything, but maybe I missed it.
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Mainejet
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I never said we should have used the 7th rounder on an OT. Re-read my post. I said we could have used it on a FB or a punter, etc.
I added on to my post saying that the Jets got a "B" in their draft partly because they did not address OT - a major need IMO.
I know you didn't say it in that post, but you've been railing against this pick since we made it and you've said elsewhere that we should have taken a OT, or maybe I'm mistaken about that, if I am I apologize.
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No problem, Ham... And I will freely admit you know a lot more about the draft than I do. You are a drantnik in my estimation. But you can't be telling me there weren't other, more pressing needs than another Dlineman, can you?
The 7th round is where you pick up a FB, punter, kicker, and those are greater NEEDS IMO that could still provide good value.
I definitely agree that we had bigger needs to fill on this years roster, no question about it, but NT has the potential to become a problem as early as next year and Mac was just being proactive
Just last week, MJ, Mac specifically cited the Steelers as an organization he admires and has studied, which shows good sense because they've been a model franchise and one of the better drafting teams in the league for all of my life. But one notable characteristic of the Steelers throughout the years is that they don't overpay pending FA's. The impact players who are worth the money, those guys they pay, but they don't overpay good players they can replace. Instead they draft their eventual replacements a year or two early, develop the young guys, and when JOE BLOW hits free agency and understandably looks to make a killing, the Steelers let him walk and move the young guy they groomed right into his vacated spot, and they usually get the same production or more for far less money.
IMO that is the thought process behind the Simon pick and with Snacks being a pending free agent.
Again, by his own admission Mac has studied the Steelers and he admires their operation, and that is the Steelers way.
Lastly, Mac said all things being equal, meaning if he has two players still on the board in essentially the same tier on his big board, he will allow needs to operate as the tiebreaker. But if he has someone still available in a higher tier, he will take the BPA regardless of needs.
Maybe he liked Simon that much?
We have to see what Simon becomes before we can know if Mac was right or wrong, but I do agree with you that RIGHT NOW we definitely had more pressing needs than another Nose Tackle.
are you privy to snacks thought process and how much he will be asking for next year? he will be an unrestricted free agent, meaning he can pick any of the 32 nfl teams to play for. there's a certain former head coach of the jets who last i checked was coaching in buffalo. do you think he may be interested in snacks? how about any of the other 30 nfl teams in the league - could they not be looking for a young beast of a d-lineman?
i'm gonna bet a whole lot of money macc and his scouts know more about simon and the other players left on the board than you do. if you don't like the pick, that's fine. everyone is entitled to their opinions. but there is no way of knowing whether or not we can keep snacks beyond this year. to assume otherwise is foolish.
now it's possible they lock snacks up to a long-term deal. i hope they do. but we still need a backup NT.
as to taking a FB or punter, considering not 1 punter or FB was taken after they picked simon, if they wanted one, they could have brought one in as an UDFA. the fact that they didn't seems to indicate they didn't think there was one worthy.
Bowles was asked prior to the draft the most important parts of his defense. He said CB & NT, but what the heck does he know? We should've drafted the next John Connor instead :hopelessness:
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