Ted Wells report on Deflate Gate being released now

[maxmet]

fully believe 5 million - costs of an investigation by lawyers and experts run high - the meter runs and runs.

That can be the Starting point for the fine since they were found (more likely than not) to have violated the rules and failed to cooperate fully. First, you pay our costs - here's the bill Mr Kraft. Dont seek to negotiate or question the charges.

Then the organization is docked a draft pick.

Then the locker room guys and Brady get some suspensions.

Bellichuck gets no punishment, if I'm in charge, but he gets a warning - he will be held responsible for any further rules violation by anyone in the organization. Supervise.

 

[Elias]

 

[ucrenegade]

After reading through a third of the report so far even a superstar status guy like Brady can't escape this.

 

[maxmet]

Ted Wells is a very good lawyer.

 

[McJet]

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That shi t is funny!!!

 

[SackExchange]

It's clear why Patriots fans become angrily defiant in the face of overwhelming evidence. They take after the organization.

Other owners and franchises own up to what they did. Arthur Blank admitted what the Falcons did, and manned up about it. Ray Farmer admitted his mistake and apologized for it.

The Patriots, on the other hand, cry and whine EVERY TIME they are caught red-handed. Kraft demanding an apology. Brady having his daddy and his agent blast the report on his behalf. They act like they never do wrong, and the league is out to get them. So the fans act like the team never do wrong, and the league is out to get them.

Maybe one day they will become men, but right now, they are just a bunch of petulant children.

 

[ucrenegade]

i see the owner and brady's agent are already trying to undermine the integrity of the report.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

The nfl spent $5 million on this

Then the cash part of the punishment should be at least $5 million, no?

 

[sg3]

Punishment should be at a,minimum

Superbowl 49 awarded to Seahawks

Brady suspended for two seasons

Belichick for one season

Kraft fined 100 million

Patriots forfeit first and third round picks in 2016 and 2017 and first in 2018

That is the minimum

The maximum

All 90 players on the Patriots are declared free agents and can only sign with one of the other 31 teams

the other 31 teams must designate 4 players from their 90 man roster for a supplemental draft which will be used to restock the Patriots as a defacto expansion team

 

[Old#15]

Take a look at this chart, and tell me that deflating balls doesn't matter. After that, tell me that BillB didn't have something to do with this.



Of note is that the 3 closest teams are indoor teams. Sorry for the small print, but what it shows is that from 2010 - 2014 the Patriots fumble the ball once every 187 plays, and the next closest team was once every 140 plays. Gotta believe that having game balls that aren't overly inflated helps one hold onto the ball.

 

[ucrenegade]

Take a look at this chart, and tell me that deflating balls doesn't matter. After that, tell me that BillB didn't have something to do with this.

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Of note is that the 3 closest teams are indoor teams.

like every cheater/criminal they can never be satisfied getting away with it they must become greedy.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Media's new tactic/narrative to defend Brady and the Patriots:

So I'm watching Mike & Mike and the NFLN and I can already see the new narrative forming. Now that Brady has essentially been tagged as a liar and a cheat, the new tact is to point out everyone who has ever cheated in any capacity, from stick'em on their hands to vaseline on their jersey's, even go to other sports and consider pine tar on bats, but mostly point out cheating that went unpunished, then compare Brady deflating footballs to these other acts of cheating, suggest deflating footballs is no more severe than these other incidents and in some cases less severe, and by extension conclude that a harsh punishment here in the form of a lengthy suspension would be unfair to Brady and the Pats.

This is the new narrative for the Patriots self-appointed Palace Guards and moral relativists masquerading as journalists.

Its just another variation of the "everybody does it" defense you couldn't get away with as an annoying ten year old.

 

[Old#15]

Media's new tactic/narrative to defend Brady and the Patriots:

So I'm watching Mike & Mike and the NFLN and I can already see the new narrative forming. Now that Brady has essentially been tagged a liar and a cheater, the new tact is to point out everyone who has ever cheated in any capacity, from stick'em on their hands to vaseline on their jersey's, even go to other sports and consider pine tar on bats, but mostly point out cheating that went unpunished, then compare Brady deflating footballs to these other acts of cheating, suggest deflating footballs is no more severe than these other incidents and in some cases less severe, and by extension conclude that a harsh punishment here in the form of a lengthy suspension would be unfair to Brady and the Pats.

This is the new narrative for the Patriots self-appointed Palace Guards and moral relativists masquerading as journalists.


Its just another variation of the "everybody does it" defense you couldn't get away with as an annoying ten year old.

Heard same this AM on Sirius NFL channel where Booger McFarland says it doesn't matter because he as an ex-NFL'er says so, and we as fans don't know enough to have an opinion that matters. The arrogance of this stupid jock floored me. Then he went into the whole jerry Rice admitting to use of spray stick'em story that Ham refers to. What Booger fails to realize is that without all of us he and many other NFL players would be stocking shelves at Walmart.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

Take a look at this chart, and tell me that deflating balls doesn't matter. After that, tell me that BillB didn't have something to do with this.

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Of note is that the 3 closest teams are indoor teams. Sorry for the small print, but what it shows is that from 2010 - 2014 the Patriots fumble the ball once every 187 plays, and the next closest team was once every 140 plays. Gotta believe that having game balls that aren't overly inflated helps one hold onto the ball.

What I am wondering is why this kind of analysis was not done by the firm hired to do the technical work. I have seen complaints about the results presented by Sharp, so certainly the results could not be accepted at face value and the analysis would ave to be re-done. I am wondering why it wasn't re-done. The experimenting that was re-done is similar to a shoddy piece of work done by a lab in the Boston area shortly after the accusations appeared. That early work was done so poorly, that lab even came to the opposite conclusion of the Wells' report: They found the testing exonerated the Pats. So the initial work was garbage, but at least it was suggestive of the fact that physical testing of the footballs was needed. The same thing can be said about the Sharp analysis: It shows an evaluation of fumble rates might uncover something important. But not a word about this in the official report. I wonder why.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Heard same this AM on Sirius NFL channel where Booger McFarland says it doesn't matter because he as an ex-NFL'er says so, and we as fans don't know enough to have an opinion that matters. The arrogance of this stupid jock floored me. Then he went into the whole jerry Rice admitting to use of spray stick'em story that Ham refers to. What Booger fails to realize is that without all of us he and many other NFL players would be stocking shelves at Walmart.

"If you are going to tarnish the legacy of maybe the greatest QB whoever lived, I think I need more than 'probably.'"

- Mike Greenberg


He said that this morning, not just on ESPN, but on CNN as well.

Gutless, totally gutless, scared to death that Patsie Homerville might put him in their crosshairs as a Jets fan if he doesn't bend over backwards to give them the benefit of the doubt, and trust me, this is not the first time he's twisted himself into a pretzel to defend these pathological cheaters.

And of course Golic is doing his usual moral relativist schtick and acting like cheating is no big deal.

 

[ucrenegade]

What I am wondering is why this kind of analysis was not done by the firm hired to do the technical work. I have seen complaints about the results presented by Sharp, so certainly the results could not be accepted at face value and the analysis would ave to be re-done. I am wondering why it wasn't re-done. The experimenting that was re-done is similar to a shoddy piece of work done by a lab in the Boston area shortly after the accusations appeared. That early work was done so poorly, that lab even came to the opposite conclusion of the Wells' report: They found the testing exonerated the Pats. So the initial work was garbage, but at least it was suggestive of the fact that physical testing of the footballs was needed. The same thing can be said about the Sharp analysis: It shows an evaluation of fumble rates might uncover something important. But not a word about this in the official report. I wonder why.

I am guessing but if you read the report they were hired to look into this one game and are not testing to see how long the pats have been cheating. The only mention that it might have been possible for long periods of time is McNally referring to himself as the deflator prior to the 2014 season.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

I am guessing but if you read the report they were hired to look into this one game and are not testing to see how long the pats have been cheating. The only mention that it might have been possible for long periods of time is McNally referring to himself as the deflator prior to the 2014 season.

Yes, that's what it says in the report. But if you look at that article that I posted here a few days ago from CBS Sports where Goodell indicated the investigation would be released 'soon,' Goodell was quoted as saying the league was interested in determining whether the deflation of footballs went beyond just one game. I think that gave the Wells' team license to investigate anything they wanted that might have been suggestive of further deflation cheating. But they didn't consider anything beyond the one game, as you point out. I am wondering why.

 

[Old#15]

What I am wondering is why this kind of analysis was not done by the firm hired to do the technical work. I have seen complaints about the results presented by Sharp, so certainly the results could not be accepted at face value and the analysis would ave to be re-done. I am wondering why it wasn't re-done. The experimenting that was re-done is similar to a shoddy piece of work done by a lab in the Boston area shortly after the accusations appeared. That early work was done so poorly, that lab even came to the opposite conclusion of the Wells' report: They found the testing exonerated the Pats. So the initial work was garbage, but at least it was suggestive of the fact that physical testing of the footballs was needed. The same thing can be said about the Sharp analysis: It shows an evaluation of fumble rates might uncover something important. But not a word about this in the official report. I wonder why.

I think it might have something to do with the fact that it might implicate BB (because why would TB be so concerned about fumbling??). This has everything to do with juggling the BB/Pats legacy vs Pete Rose treatment.

 

[sg3]

Alleged Jet "fan" Greenberg is the only media jackass Jet "fan" even worse than Benigno. And yes, he has been bending over and spreading his cheeks for Kraft, Belishit and Brady for more than a decade

His pro Patriots argument should be no surprise to Jet fans

 

[SackExchange]

Boston media types like Shaughnessy are being harder on Brady than Greenberg is.