Milliner/McDougle Status?
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HYATT™;35287 said:
Hyatt, I think we're going to keep six cb's.
1. Revis
2. Cro
3. Skrine
4. Milliner
5. Marcus Williams
6. McDougle
I think Walls will be the odd man out. He's in the last year of his deal and doesn't do anything on special teams. McDougle is on a team friendly contract through 2017 and does offer special teams upside.
So, not calling a player a bust/bum equals being in love with him? IMO, most rational people need to see more from a healthy Milliner before forming a definitive opinion.
Walls I'll give you, but what are you basing
5'-10"/195#/4.37s lowest 40 speed/37" vertical, injury-prone, 27th ranked CB, (mon, was THAT ever a reach in Rd 3), Dexter McDougle's roster spot on?
We've never seem him play a snap.
Being a 3rd round pick by a previous regime carries ZERO weight.
What about these other guys?
They are ALL cheaper than McDougle, who would cost the Jets about $450k in s.b. money if they dumped him.
10th ranked (2011) CB Curtis Brown: 6'-0" | 185# | 4.41s lowest 40 speed | 39.5" vertical
42nd ranked (2014) CB Marcus Williams: 5'-11" | 196# | 4.47s lowest 40 speed | 35" vertical
50th ranked (2014) CB Dashaun Phillips: 5'-11.3" | 182# | 4.38s lowest 40 speed | 39" vertical
68th ranked (2014) CB Keith Lewis: 6'-1"/190# or 5'-11"/194#, depending on who you believe | 4.21s or 4.41s Lowest 40 speed - again, depending on who you believe | unknown or 31" vertical
Those are just the CBs to consider & NONE of them come with the persistent injury baggage McDougle carries.
Lewis is the worst of the lot and he drew praise far and wide for his play at Lynchburg.
All are taller than McDougle too, though vertical comes in there as well.
Just sayin.....
UDFAs and wotnot end up filling about 10 roster spots per year and with 6 CBs and 4 Safetys, usually one or two of those UDFAs are in the secondary.
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HYATT™;35311 said:
McDougle makes the team purely based on the fact that he drafted in the 3rd round just last year. That's what you are failing to consider. It doesn't matter how bad he plays (and he could very well look like a complete bust. No one knows what to expect.), he's GUARANTEED to make the roster.
Oh god, I love this. Blame it on Rex because he's been fired and you wouldn't dare criticize dear Milliner.
Rex played Milliner because HE HAD TO. Rex was well aware that our secondary sucked and needed his best to be at their best.
First of all, saying Milliner is the best on the team, given his history, is a joke. It puts a little context to just how bad our secondary truly was.
Second of all, what did dear Milliner do with that chance? He sh*t the bed, just so you know.
He was asked to step up and he could not meet the inquiry.
Yeah, it must be Rex's fault.
with all due respect, no he didn't have to play him. It was his choice, period. As others have pointed out and you seem obliviously too or just choose to ignore the fact that he WAS NOT physically ready. Enough said...
The thing I'm most worried about is the type of injury Milliner had. An achilles tear is one of the hardest to recover from especially playing a position like CB. The thing he has going for him is he is still young at 23 but there has been questions about his work ethic. If that indeed is true then you can expect we haven't seen the last of Milliner on the sidelines. Let's hope the switch has gone off in his head and he comes back in the best shape of his life. The man definitely has talent. I'm 50/50 on him.
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Look, maybe your definition of a busted pick differs from mine, but being constantly injured is PART of what makes a busted pick. If you can't stay healthy. If you contribute but a total of 16 games in 32 games, that that certainly makes you wonder if the guy is a busted pick.
So I guess Chad Pennington was never anything but awesome, despite the fact that he could NEVER keep his arm strength up? The ONE thing they needed from him the most?
I guess Jon McGraw was never a wasted pick even though the guy had great potential (much the same as Miliner) and could never stay healthy? For me he was nothing more than a completely wasted 2nd round draft choice.
Being able to stay healthy is the deal. It is what defines a players career.
This is good news! ...McDougle keeping up with Hakim in OTA's. Lets see if he can stay healthy and develop into some needed depth...
http://www.jetnation.com/2015/05/21/reports-new-york-jets-cb-dexter-mcdougle-at-full-speed/
http://www.jetnation.com/2015/05/21/reports-new-york-jets-cb-dexter-mcdougle-at-full-speed/
McDougle was always a good player with a pretty high ceiling, thats why I had him making the team in my early roster projections. His problem is a LONG history of injuries going back to H.S., plaguing him again throughout college, and now losing his entire first year in the NFL too. I've been a huge critic of Idzik's draft picks, mostly because they are not very good football players and were massive reaches where he picked them, and IMO McDougle was a massive reach too for the latter, because of where Idzik drafted him (RD 3) with some blue-chip talent left on the board in a very deep draft, which was too high because McDougle didn't even play after the first few games his last year in college, but I always agreed that McDougle has talent, he just needs better luck at staying on the field.
If he can stay healthy and on the field, he can help us win games.
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Mainejet
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Everyone knows that Milliner has been a huge disappointment at best two seasons in. He's also injury prone. If this guy had actually contributed something over the last two seasons, the Jets would not have needed to get Cro in free agency. The front offices moves this offseason is confirmation that they f*cked up when they drafted Milliner.
McDougle, on the other hand, suffered only one injury since being drafted, but it was a good one. It cost him the entire season. So you basically say 2015 is his rookie season. I think all the front office is really hoping/expecting from McDougle is that he'll be a decent slot corner. We shall see but already missing one entire season and never having played an NFL game, makes you wonder if he'll ever be able to get up to speed.
McDougle, on the other hand, suffered only one injury since being drafted, but it was a good one. It cost him the entire season. So you basically say 2015 is his rookie season. I think all the front office is really hoping/expecting from McDougle is that he'll be a decent slot corner. We shall see but already missing one entire season and never having played an NFL game, makes you wonder if he'll ever be able to get up to speed.
This is why I hate the national football media.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/new-york-jets-top-10-pick-from-just-two-years-ago-now-on-roster-bubble-171428353.html
It just feeds the moronic mouth-breeders who think 31 of 32 teams hit on every draft pick, and it's only the Jets who have busts. And this one isn't even a bad player bust, like Gholston. This is an injury bust (who may be too early to really call a bust).
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/new-york-jets-top-10-pick-from-just-two-years-ago-now-on-roster-bubble-171428353.html
It just feeds the moronic mouth-breeders who think 31 of 32 teams hit on every draft pick, and it's only the Jets who have busts. And this one isn't even a bad player bust, like Gholston. This is an injury bust (who may be too early to really call a bust).
If he actually contributed something?
You mean like AFC Defensive Player of the Month? That sure sounds like "something" to me. At least, much more than you will ever give him credit for.
(BTW, a month usually adds up to four games. Not just one).
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Mainejet
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4 games out of 32 as a pro? Wow, that's really impressive. I'd be more impressed if he just stayed healthy and was consistently OK.
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sg3
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Impressing you is not priority one. Playing good football and impressing Jet fans is more important than impressing a closet pats fan from Maine
As far as injury, your hero Asshole WRECKS is the moron who thought it was critical to put his starting CB on the field on the all important Extra Point coverage team. How come no blame for beloved dumbass Circus Clown?
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I have plenty criticism for Rex. But I'll take all of the negatives about him to get what I view as a net POSITIVE. And sorry, but I cannot blame Rex for something that was very clearly Woody's fault. Woody hired that incompetent doofus Idzik, NOT Rex. He completely wasted just about all of those 13 picks. 2014 was a pivotal season for the Jets. We could have been set for a long time to come had he gotten those picks right. Instead, he set us back pretty badly.
Idzik handed Rex a BAD roster and that is the way I see it. You can criticize me all you like. You can insult me and question my fandom all you like, but I will ALWAYS call them like I see them. So you had better get used to it.
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Maybe we've got something here after all.
Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI · 2h2 hours ago
Per Antonio Cromartie: CB Dexter McDougle will now be known as "CinnamonBadger."
Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI · 2h2 hours agoPer Antonio Cromartie: CB Dexter McDougle will now be known as "CinnamonBadger."
Maybe we've got something here after all.
Per Antonio Cromartie: CB Dexter McDougle will now be known as "CinnamonBadger."
Are we moving him to safety too?