Milliner/McDougle Status?

[Golden Rott]

First off Both Leon Hall and Brent Grimes were very good cb's before they tore their Achilles. They aren't the players they once were before the injury. ( still both are rare players that come back from that injury- more exception than the rule) Dee Milliner was never very good prior to that Achilles tear, and now losing some ability due to that injury - do you really like his chances to develop into player the Jets envision when they drafted him number 9. Jets will be very patient with him , and I will be surprised if he's a go by training camp. ( no need to rush him as he way down the depth chart- need him more down the road). maybe see him eventually moved to safety.

The Jets need Mcdougle this year, and are counting on him to be contributor to their secondary. Like a lot of young Cb's it's paramount he stay healthy all training camp.( Only way you get better is by getting the reps)

Grimes made all pro for the first two times in his career after the Achilles injury. Hall has always been a good, not great CB. I don't agree that they aren't the players they once were. Milliner may very well be a bust, or at 23, he could still have a good career ahead of him. At this stage, I agree with you that he is not likely to be the player that he was drafted to be at 9, but he could still be a player, and of course I would prefer if he were not coming off a major injury. An Achilles injury, however, is no longer an insurmountable injury for a pro athlete.

I don't agree that the Jets are counting on McD to be a contributor this year. Revis, Cro, Skrine, Walls, Williams are all likely ahead of McD & Dee on the depth chart. I am hoping both guys can get plenty of reps in TC -- as young CBs they will need it. He is a 3rd round pick coming off 2 years out of the game due to injury. I really don't think they are counting on him to be a major contributor. Let him get healthy, learn the pro game, work into the rotation a bit this year and see where he goes from there.

 

[mykcuz]

How is a player that tears an ACL in TC a bust before playing any real game time snaps??
Miliner had rookie struggles, not unheard of, but got better as the year went on. He earned rookie of the month the last month of the season. He was hurt all last year, even when playing the cheeseheads. When he finally gets back to 100% healthy and then doesn't contribute, that's when i'll call him a bust.
With the McDougle logic, i feel bad for the Jaguars. The #3 overall pick is a bust. Jaguars better look high and low to find a REAL football player.

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[raideraholic]

Grimes made all pro for the first two times in his career after the Achilles injury. Hall has always been a good, not great CB. I don't agree that they aren't the players they once were. Milliner may very well be a bust, or at 23, he could still have a good career ahead of him. At this stage, I agree with you that he is not likely to be the player that he was drafted to be at 9, but he could still be a player, and of course I would prefer if he were not coming off a major injury. An Achilles injury, however, is no longer an insurmountable injury for a pro athlete.

I don't agree that the Jets are counting on McD to be a contributor this year. Revis, Cro, Skrine, Walls, Williams are all likely ahead of McD & Dee on the depth chart. I am hoping both guys can get plenty of reps in TC -- as young CBs they will need it. He is a 3rd round pick coming off 2 years out of the game due to injury. I really don't think they are counting on him to be a major contributor. Let him get healthy, learn the pro game, work into the rotation a bit this year and see where he goes from there.

I don't have to tell you the probowl is a popularity contest, that it takes time for a player to get the recognition to be picked for that team.( grimes was a better cb before that injury) I disagree with your insertion that Achilles tear isn't as big deal as it once was. That is false , as players never truly are the same player they were before that injury .See Crabtree - lost some of his explosiveness and isn't a threat anymore deep. Acl injuries if you would have said that injury isn't a big deal.( big track record of success , not there with Achilles injury yet)

All fans tend to overrate their players( I'm just as guilty) I think you're overrating Walls and Williams , as they were part of the worst secondary in football last year. A Cromartie do the Jets really know what they will get from Him or Skrine. Dexter Mcdougle if he stays healthy has a chance to garner some serious time in the Jets secondary. ( wouldn't be a surprise if he took Cromartie job at some point in the season). It all comes down can he stay healthy. He doesn't do anyone any good with him sitting on the sideline with an injury.

 

[Golden Rott]

I don't have to tell you the probowl is a popularity contest, that it takes time for a player to get the recognition to be picked for that team.( grimes was a better cb before that injury) I disagree with your insertion that Achilles tear isn't as big deal as it once was. That is false , as players never truly are the same player they were before that injury .See Crabtree - lost some of his explosiveness and isn't a threat anymore deep. Acl injuries if you would have said that injury isn't a big deal.( big track record of success , not there with Achilles injury yet)

All fans tend to overrate their players( I'm just as guilty) I think you're overrating Walls and Williams , as they were part of the worst secondary in football last year. A Cromartie do the Jets really know what they will get from Him or Skrine. Dexter Mcdougle if he stays healthy has a chance to garner some serious time in the Jets secondary. ( wouldn't be a surprise if he took Cromartie job at some point in the season). It all comes down can he stay healthy. He doesn't do anyone any good with him sitting on the sideline with an injury.

I agree with you on the Pro Bowl, which is why I referenced Grimes as an All Pro, not a pro bowler -- eitehr way it is recognition that he is among the best int he league at his position. A few years ago, achilles injury was unheard of to overcome. Now, it is becoming common for players to come back from them. I mentioned Grimes and Hall as examples of CBs to come back strong from torn Achilles. Demaryius Thomas, Terrell Suggs, Vince Wilfork, Michael Crabtree have all come back from Achilles injuries in the last few years. Dee Milliner can come back also.

I am not a Milliner fanboy - I said it may turn out that he is just not very good. But I am not going to use the injury as an excuse. If Milliner sucks, he sucks, not necessarily because of the injury.

As to Wiliams and Walls, last season, at various times they were starters in a secondary that was decimated by injury. This year, at best they will be competing for the dime role -- going up against 4 &5 WRs instead of 1s & 2s. That is a big difference, and all I am saying is that I believe they, given their experience, are likely to be ahead of McD on the depth chart. If it turns out that he is healthy and that you are right and he is better than Walls & Williams, that will be a bonus for this team. I hope it happens, but I am not counting on it.

 

[McJet]

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[McJet]

I don't have to tell you the probowl is a popularity contest, that it takes time for a player to get the recognition to be picked for that team.( grimes was a better cb before that injury) I disagree with your insertion that Achilles tear isn't as big deal as it once was. That is false , as players never truly are the same player they were before that injury .See Crabtree - lost some of his explosiveness and isn't a threat anymore deep. Acl injuries if you would have said that injury isn't a big deal.( big track record of success , not there with Achilles injury yet)

All fans tend to overrate their players( I'm just as guilty) I think you're overrating Walls and Williams , as they were part of the worst secondary in football last year. A Cromartie do the Jets really know what they will get from Him or Skrine. Dexter Mcdougle if he stays healthy has a chance to garner some serious time in the Jets secondary. ( wouldn't be a surprise if he took Cromartie job at some point in the season). It all comes down can he stay healthy. He doesn't do anyone any good with him sitting on the sideline with an injury.

I have more faith in Miliner coming in as the 4th CB on the Jets defense than D.J.Hayden being the #1 or 2 CB for his defense.

 

[raideraholic]

I have more faith in Miliner coming in as the 4th CB on the Jets defense than D.J.Hayden being the #1 or 2 CB for his defense.

Well that's nice but Dee Milliner was the first cb taken in that draft.( time will prove Raiders took the best Cb in that draft).

Actually D.j Hayden might be the nickel cb for the Raiders. That more to do with the fact in Seattle type of defense a- cover 3 - bump and bail technique . http://sportsrants.com/nfl/files/2015/02/Seattle-Secondary.gif Keith McGill 6'3 215 is the protypical Cb you want playing outside in that kind of defense , than playing in the slot. Dj Hayden is better fit against the slot receiver. ( 70 % you play in the Nickel). the Raiders have a lot size at Cb that can play the other outside position ( even Ss Jonathan Dowling 6'3 195 33 1/2 arm length could play Cb in that defense). Tj Carrie will be one of the starting Cb's , but is capable of playing inside with Hayden if teams go four wr sets.( he even capable of playing safety)

The beauty of this Raider defense is they have so many lb now that are good in coverage.( Super Bowl Mvp Malcolm Smith, Ray Ray Armstrong, Neiron Ball, and Ben Heeney.

 

[NickSINYC]

 

[sg3]

Keith McGill....Jonathan Dowling....Tj Carrie....Malcolm Smith,.... Ray Ray Armstrong, ....Neiron Ball,....Ben Heeney.

Seriously

Who the F are this pile of SCRUBS that couldn't play for any other team?

 

[raideraholic]

Seriously

Who the F are this pile of SCRUBS that couldn't play for any other team?

Malcolm Smith Super Bowl Mvp, and you never heard of him. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...awks-malcolm-smith-wins-super-bowl-xlviii-mvp ( just if you think I was making it up). Jack Delrio, and Ken Norton Jr( has developed some very good lb's with Seattle) know just a little about the Lb position.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Why is there always a Raider fan on a Jets board?? I would never waste my time on their board.

 

[jetgreen13]

Why is there always a Raider fan on a Jets board?? I would never waste my time on their board.

i wonder if he's the guy from JI??

 

[sg3]

i wonder if he's the guy from JI??

Absotively, posilutely

 

[Jetsfanatic]

Just a gut feeling from what I've read, if McDougle can somehow stay healthy I think he going to be a solid CB. As for Milliner, I thought he came on strong at the end of 2013. Lets remember he was the AFC Defensive Player of the Month. Again though, his big issue is staying healthy. I also think it is good for both of these young players to have a player like Revis around. I thought I read awhile back that Milliner wants to "shadow" Revis in practice. To me that's a good sign!

 

[jetgreen13]

the beauty of it is mac has done such a fantasic job with the CB's whaterver we get from either is a bonus..

a unit going from arguably the worst to the best in one offseason is remarkable..

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

the beauty of it is mac has done such a fantasic job with the CB's whaterver we get from either is a bonus..

a unit going from arguably the worst to the best in one offseason is remarkable..

I don't see how having Milliner and McDougle as the #4 and #5 Cb's on the roster can be a bad thing. If Milliner comes back from that Achilles injury ok, I think he's gonna be a borderline pro bowl CB. And if McDougle is the real deal, our secondary is going to be so good it will be illegal.

I know there are still some question marks about both. But there's a chance one, if not both, of these players is going to give the Jets one of the best secondaries in the NFL. Maybe THE best.

 

[jetgreen13]

I don't see how having Milliner and McDougle as the #4 and #5 Cb's on the roster can be a bad thing. If Milliner comes back from that Achilles injury ok, I think he's gonna be a borderline pro bowl CB. And if McDougle is the real deal, our secondary is going to be so good it will be illegal.

I know there are still some question marks about both. But there's a chance one, if not both, of these players is going to give the Jets one of the best secondaries in the NFL. Maybe THE best.

again, i don't think either is dependent on the jets having the best secondary in the league this season..

mac's offseason (& yes i know, still just on paper) has been epic!!

 

[HYATT™]

Dee Milliner heading for the pup list. Expect him to miss the first six games at least. That is a very serious injury ( Achilles tear) that very hard for any player to come back from.
gives the Jets time before they have to make a decision on what to do with Milliner.

Highly unlikely Raiders would have any interest in Milliner( Achilles injury) or Mcdougle ( doesn't meet the height requirement as they have only one Cb on their roster under 6'.( that isn't by accident- think Seattle type of cb's.

Not to mention Reggie drafted the CB the Jets SHOULD HAVE (and HYATT™ in fact did), drafted instead of McDougle - CB Keith McGill - who, by all accounts coming out of OAK, will win the starting job this season.

Saw McGill in a preseason contest against the Packers at Lambeau last year.
He didn't play much but is an impressive physical specimen in person & film on him is impressive as well.

 

[HYATT™]

Bob, If you are going to claim being a part time Jet fan on a serious Jet board, please do your due diligence before making stupid negative comments about Milliner & McDougle. Milliner is only 23 and McDougle just turned 24. With Revis pushing 30 and Cromartie already 31 and probably done after this one year deal, both Milliner & McDougle could be our starting CB & nickel backs of the future. Injuries happen in tackle football, and hopefully MaccBowles will be patient in their recovery process.

Go Jets...Cyborg

I DID due diligence, on both of them.
Can I help it if they are both a train wreck, health-wise?
McDougle was a KNOWN health risk in college, why would that change at a level where he gets hit harder and more often, by bigger players, than he did in NCAA play?

Milliner was just plain UNLUCKY, but Achilles has a track record of ruining more careers than just for CBs.
It was fatal for it's namesake.
I cut him some slack but the outlook isn't all that good he'll ever live up to his #9 pick billing.
3rd or 4th CB would still be a win though.

Perhaps you'd do better to analyze my analysis a little more and dissect my Jets fandom a little less.

 

[Jetsfanatic]

Not to mention Reggie drafted the CB the Jets SHOULD HAVE (and HYATT™ in fact did), drafted instead of McDougle - CB Keith McGill - who, by all accounts coming out of OAK, will win the starting job this season.

Saw McGill in a preseason contest against the Packers at Lambeau last year.
He didn't play much but is an impressive physical specimen & film on him is impressive as well.

I have a feeling McDougle is going to turn into quite a player. His biggest issue is staying healthy.