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well then maybe kraft wouldn't be as opposed to going to court if it comes down to it.
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I honestly don't think they would find a fair jury in those areas.
league head office is in NY, so my assumption is it would be a NY based court.
in any event, odds are unless he gets a stay putting the suspension on hold pending the appeal, the process would take so long to drag out that it's not likely the court case would be heard and decided before the 4 week suspension is due to lapse. so on principle he could go to court...i'm not sure if it will be able to act in time from preventing him from missing the 4 games.
No way this goes to a Federal Court. It is all fluff or posturing being thrown out by Brady & his multiple Attorney's. If Goodell keeps it @ 4 games, that will be the end of the story.
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further to my post above, it appears that the appeals court that ruled for adrian peterson was in minneapolis, so i guess the location of the league office may not be relevant. in any case, it took months to get AP's suspension overturned, so unless brady gets a court to stay the suspension, i still am doubtful he could have a court case heard and decided before week 5 of the season.
What worries me is that one of the arguments being made in the appeal is that the punishment is not typical to that given in similar cases. The article points out that the Vikings were caught heating footballs during a cold game, and no punishment was handed out. That argument could be used to support even a complete elimination of the suspension.
The article I posted the link to said if the suspension was put on hold it would be served later in the year rather than the first 4 games. That was a reason given for why going to court might not be pursued.
I thought about that. Would the determining factor be where the league offices are, or where the franchise is? Or even where the matter took place?
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This is how I see it: Goodell will not eliminate the suspension completely, to do so would be a total capitulation, destroy his credibility and vastly undermine his power in the future.
If he leaves everything as is, he might wind up in court - something he probably does not want.
If he reduces the suspension to less than 4 games, he might wind up in court anyway.
My point is this: Brady doesn't care about the money, he cares about his legacy. If he winds up with even a one game supension, his legacy is still tainted. Especially considering that Kraft accepted the team component of the sanctions.
Therefore, I think Brady wants the suspension eliminated: anything less still paints him as guilty.
If he has no punishment himself, he can make the case (in the court of public opinion) that the tampering was done without his knowledge - and that is why the team was punished and not he.
Kraft can't go to the Hall of Fame. He isn't the public celebrity that Brady is. The taint of cheating has far fewer implications for Kraft than it does for Brady.
A likely reason Kraft and his lawyers accepted the sanctions was to give Goodell a face-saving element in any decision he might make to let Brady completely off the hook.
But I do not think the suspension will be eliminated completely, and it will wind up in court even if reduced.
All just totally my opinion, and I'm probably wrong.
If he leaves everything as is, he might wind up in court - something he probably does not want.
If he reduces the suspension to less than 4 games, he might wind up in court anyway.
My point is this: Brady doesn't care about the money, he cares about his legacy. If he winds up with even a one game supension, his legacy is still tainted. Especially considering that Kraft accepted the team component of the sanctions.
Therefore, I think Brady wants the suspension eliminated: anything less still paints him as guilty.
If he has no punishment himself, he can make the case (in the court of public opinion) that the tampering was done without his knowledge - and that is why the team was punished and not he.
Kraft can't go to the Hall of Fame. He isn't the public celebrity that Brady is. The taint of cheating has far fewer implications for Kraft than it does for Brady.
A likely reason Kraft and his lawyers accepted the sanctions was to give Goodell a face-saving element in any decision he might make to let Brady completely off the hook.
But I do not think the suspension will be eliminated completely, and it will wind up in court even if reduced.
All just totally my opinion, and I'm probably wrong.
It is certainly possible, but it seems both selfish of Brady and idiotic of Kraft to make the franchise culpable in order to let the QB off the hook.
And as much as Goodell may not want court, Brady doesn't want the league office to have subpoena power over the information they refused to submit.
It'd be dumb in my opinion for them to delay. It's probably in their interest to just lose him for the first four rather than any games past the first month.
I'm not sure how long phone records are maintained by phone companies. I saw a post somewhere where someone speculated it might be 6 months. Is it possible if they delay bringing this to court past some point that there will be no phone records to subpoena?
I think it's quite clear this is not going to court. That would only hurt Brady and the Patriots. The Patriots accepted their penalty of 2 lost picks, including a number 1 and a historic $1 million fine.
Bradys appeal is entirely separate from the Patriots punishment.
There is no defamation, they were caught cheating, Brady broke the collective bargaining agreement by not fully cooperating as required. They already have the phone records of the employees texts with Brady. His records would only hurt his case.
I believe the venue would be the local federal court as this is an employee employer case, and Brady is employed by the Patriots under the rules of the nfl.
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Bradys appeal is entirely separate from the Patriots punishment.
There is no defamation, they were caught cheating, Brady broke the collective bargaining agreement by not fully cooperating as required. They already have the phone records of the employees texts with Brady. His records would only hurt his case.
I believe the venue would be the local federal court as this is an employee employer case, and Brady is employed by the Patriots under the rules of the nfl.
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They've finally tied the knot.
"Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers
Just read a lead-in to a story on AOL about Tom Brady's meeting today with "Robert Goodell." LOL."
I always thought it would be Roger who took Kraft's name, though.
"Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers
Just read a lead-in to a story on AOL about Tom Brady's meeting today with "Robert Goodell." LOL."
I always thought it would be Roger who took Kraft's name, though.
“If Brady does not get complete exoneration, and have this reduced to 0 games from 4, I believe he will end up in federal court." - Jim Gray
"If [suspension] goes down to two games he will continue to fight.” - Jim Gray. Remember Gray knows Brady well. Work together at Westwood 1.
Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers 4h4 hours ago
“If Brady does not get complete exoneration, and have this reduced to 0 games from 4, I believe he will end up in federal court." - Jim Gray
Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers 4h4 hours ago
"If [suspension] goes down to two games he will continue to fight.” - Jim Gray. Remember Gray knows Brady well. Work together at Westwood 1.
If Brady gets the suspension completely eliminated without turning over his records, it is an OUTRAGE!
He turns over his records, and those records clear him? Fine. I will live with the facts determining the lack of punishment.
But if he withholds evidence and STILL gets the sentence waived, 31 other owners better have a hell of a lot to say about that Commish.
Right. But I still haven't seen an answer as to how long phone companies keep phone records. If the records do disappear after 6 months, what would stop Brady from taking this to court? Might be why Brady told his buddy Jim Gray he would fight on-what's to lose?
Well, I saw a report the presentation by the team was supposed to take longer than 4 hours. Guess so. And then they have the option of continuing on Thursday.
