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Lakerfan80
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I also think Fritz is the safer pick. I hope Geno keeps improving but feel better than in the past with Fritz ready to come in.
I saw the TOJ guys mention how the team is confident that Fitz can come in if needed and that he'd be prepared unlike Vick who was a disaster last year. It seemed as if he was just going through the motions.
Makes sense to have Fitz in reserve who could be ready with less 1st string practice snaps than Geno who would probably be feeling down if he had lost the starting job in training camp.
I always believed Geno was getting the first crack.
Reason being, he's younger, better arm, better physical talent, and higher upside.
Any coach is going to see if they can get the best out of him, cause if they do he's a long-term solution, not a band-aid.
If he flops, its Bryce Petty next year or a QB we draft in RD 1
Reason being, he's younger, better arm, better physical talent, and higher upside.
Any coach is going to see if they can get the best out of him, cause if they do he's a long-term solution, not a band-aid.
If he flops, its Bryce Petty next year or a QB we draft in RD 1
I want to share your optimism, but what else would you expect him to say?
Rex said the same thing about Gholston . . .
gailey has a track record of adapting his offense to fit his personnel.
rex wasn't exactly the most adaptable and too often tried the square peg into round hole approach
I agree completely.
He's also been unemployed for two years, which makes me question why his "talents" weren't more in demand.
Morningwheg was well-thought of as an OC before he came here, too. So did he not "adapt his offense to Geno's strengths", or was Geno flat-out not able to do what they needed him to do?
As I've said before, I'll gladly root for the kid from day one. But I won't BELIEVE in him until he gives me reason to . . .
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Lakerfan80
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I'm a big fan of the old school OC's..they are stuck in thier ways and more likely to keep running a play the defense can't stop. Many of these younger guys often outsmart themselves, and they are also looking to become head coaches.
unless you're Pete Carrol. He's as old school as they come running his high school offense, good old 34 off tackle and 31 iso...and he still outsmarted himself.
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His high school offense will be perfect for QB still learning in the pocket and how to read defenses.
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Lakerfan80
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Thats why Fitz is here and if he fails maybe the Jets will make bold move in 2016 and try and draft a future starter.
Thats fair.
I kind of feel the same way, only I think its the right decision to give Geno the first crack and to anoint him the starter before we even get to training camp, this way the presumptive starter can get all of the first team reps and at least have a sense that the CS believes in him, two things he never received from the prior regime. I think its the smart play because Geno, unlike Fitz, is not just a band-aid, its not just prolonging the inevitable need for a young QB we can build around, he at least has a chance to be that guy, Fitz doesn't.
That said, if he fails he fails, but IMO its unwise to just give up on a QB after his second year in the league, especially one with as much physical talent as Geno. I remember a time when QB's didn't even see the field until their second or third years, and there's still a lot of smart football people who believe thats the proper way to develop a young QB, that its not wise to throw them to the wolves before they are ready.
That said, I'm not blind, I've watched him play and turn the ball over and cost us game after game, I've seen the flaws and I've seen the mistakes, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you I am optimistic about his future, but he has a ton of physical ability and I'm not ready to say ITS OVER after two years. If he flops again in year three, with significantly more talent around him, then I'M DONE, but I'm not opposed to giving him one last chance.
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Lakerfan80
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Geno's physical ability isn't going to be enough if he isn't better in the pocket. I felt he was just too slow dropping back and looking up field, and his release was long. Geno could never get his feet set when faced with a blitz up the middle and it led to many bad mistakes, especially in the redzone.
Fitz doesn't have the physical tools of Geno but he can throw the ball from the pocket..that's all this talented team needs..and don't make too many mistakes. Fitz had 6 TD game last season with less talent than he has now, probably on par with what Geno had last season. Fitz has turned the ball over less the past few seasons and just has the experience and maturity I want to see at QB this season.
Fitz doesn't have the physical tools of Geno but he can throw the ball from the pocket..that's all this talented team needs..and don't make too many mistakes. Fitz had 6 TD game last season with less talent than he has now, probably on par with what Geno had last season. Fitz has turned the ball over less the past few seasons and just has the experience and maturity I want to see at QB this season.
That may all be true, laker, but it still begs the questions:
1. Can you get to and win the Super Bowl with Ryan Fitzpatrick?
IMO he's been in the league long enough that we know what he is and what he isn't. There's no upside. What you see is what you get, and I don't see a guy who can take us to the Super Bowl and win it, at least not unless we have a defense like the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens and he's just along for the ride. So if you are trying to build towards a championship, as you should be (and as you well know as a Lakers fan), then I just don't see the point of starting Fitzpatrick even if you think he gives us a better chance to win 10 Games this year.
2. Has Geno maxed out as a player and is he too the finished product, so what you see is what you get?
If the answer to that question was YES, then I can definitely see going with Fitzpatrick, but I think even Geno's detractors would admit that there is still some untapped potential for a QB who came out of a spread offense in college, much like Petty, and is going into only his third year in the league. So while its entirely possible that he will continue to stink and never amount to anything in the NFL, there at least remains the possibility, however remote you wish to call it, that he can emerge as the long-term answer at QB, and with his physical talent, maybe even the kind of QB you can someday with a SB with. It might not happen, but at least the possibility exists.
Thats why I think this is the smart move, even if it fails.
But isn't that like spending your lunch money on lottery tickets? Sure, you may go home loaded, but more likely you just end up hungry.
I agree Geno's ceiling is higher, but his floor is also MUCH lower (and I don't even mean that as a knock against the kid, but just the reality of a 3rd year player who's experienced nothing but struggles vs. a veteran who's already played/succeeded in the system).
If we need a QB to carry us to a SB, we likely don't have that on our roster, regardless. But if we just need one who doesn't screw things up, do you still think Geno is the better option? I'd love to think he is, but I don't see anything but "unrealized potential" as the reasoning behind it . . .
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ucrenegade
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This is what the pre-season is for