Who will be Jets 2015 starting QB?

[OCCH]

This is what the pre-season is for

Not if they've already decided there won't be a competition . . .

 

[Lakerfan80]

Yes we can get to the playoffs with Fitz and that's the first step to getting to the SB..there is precedence there as well. It will take more than just QB play as Luck and several other elite QB's can tell you. The league is full of veteran starting QB's, and when starting QB's get hurt it's usually a vet that come in.

Competetion between who? Fitz isn't healthy and don't need to compete, and Simms, Petty, and the FA guy no one talks about is competing for the 3rd spot.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

But isn't that like spending your lunch money on lottery tickets? Sure, you may go home loaded, but more likely you just end up hungry.

I agree Geno's ceiling is higher, but his floor is also MUCH lower (and I don't even mean that as a knock against the kid, but just the reality of a 3rd year player who's experienced nothing but struggles vs. a veteran who's already played/succeeded in the system).

If we need a QB to carry us to a SB, we likely don't have that on our roster, regardless. But if we just need one who doesn't screw things up, do you still think Geno is the better option? I'd love to think he is, but I don't see anything but "unrealized potential" as the reasoning behind it . . .

All fair points, OCCH, but I'm not talking about only 2015, I'm talking about finding a QB who can give you a chance to win championships for the next ten years. The best organizations don't go year to year with their QB's. Its not a case of, okay, this year we'll start Fitzpatrick, next year its Petty, the year after that the kid we draft in RD 1 in 2016 etc. etc.

The right way to do is it to find your QB, the guy who is going to be the guy you can build around, then you build the strongest team possible around him. Thats how the best teams in football do it. Now it might be a stretch to suggest Geno can be that guy, but its not a stretch to say he has the potential to be that guy, nor is it a stretch to say that Fitz can't be that guy, so I don't see the point in going right to Fitz before we definitively answer the Geno question.

 

[OCCH]

All fair points, OCCH, but I'm not talking about only 2015, I'm talking about finding a QB who can give you a chance to win championships for the next ten years. The best organizations don't go year to year with their QB's. Its not a case of, okay, this year we'll start Fitzpatrick, next year its Petty, the year after that the kid we draft in RD 1 in 2016 etc. etc.

The right way to do is it to find your QB, the guy who is going to be the guy you can build around, then you build the strongest team possible around him. Thats how the best teams in football do it. Now it might be a stretch to suggest Geno can be that guy, but its not a stretch to say he has the potential to be that guy, nor is it a stretch to say that Fitz can't be that guy, so I don't see the point in going right to Fitz before we definitively answer the Geno question.

I understand/agree completely, except I'd say I don't see the point in going right to GENO before we definitively answer the Geno question . . .

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

I understand/agree completely, except I'd say I don't see the point in going right to GENO before we definitively answer the Geno question . . .

I see what you did there

 

[NickSINYC]

Not if they've already decided there won't be a competition . . .

This is not meant to be a knock on Geno but starting QBs do lose their job in preseason when there was no open competition. I am not sating it will happen but it could. Bowles will not play someone who does not deserve it no matter what is said in May.

 

[JohnnyBaseball1]

Old decisions can always be overruled by new decisions. See Idzik, John.

 

[Mainejet]

No it won't gailey sets up the run with the pass don't matter who his qb is. He did it in buffalo and he did it with Pitt and kordell stewart. He also did it when he had freaking thigpen as his qb. The jets have better weapons than gailey has ever had.

That is the most foolish thing I have ever heard. If you really believe that and Bowles does as well? Then, we can watch Chan Gailey PASS this team to an 0-16 record. Then, they'll all get fired.

Who knows with something that STUPID happening in the wake of Rex Ryan, maybe Woody will make every effort to rehire Rex Ryan?

 

[Mainejet]

I think you missed the "there's no qb competition" announcement. Check the OTA thread.

That's all posturing. Are you trying to tell me that the Jets would IGNORE another QB's talent to start in favor of Geno just because they said so on May 20th?

You're nuts if you believe that.

Whether they are saying it or not there WILL be a QB competition in TC.

And frankly, if they really are going to spurn others in favor of Geno when Geno was his normal disaster self, then Todd Bowles, Chan Gailey, Mike Maccagnan, and Woody Johnson all deserve to get thrown out of NY on their fat incompetent A$$es for something so stupid.

 

[Mainejet]

The more Geno plays the sooner the Bryce Petty era begins.

I have to agree with that. So maybe there is a silver lining in this after all?

 

[Mainejet]

Please show us somewhere where anyone from the Jets has said this. And I will give you leeway, anyone from a ball boy to Woody, anyone, even just one person.

What is completely nuts is to ask for proof that very obviously is said when reading between the lines. Do you really think they will run and tell someone that they do not trust their QB's. The Times? Newsday? SI?

It's called "LOOK AT THEIR RESUMES". If you still don't understand afterward, re-read that and maybe someday it will sink in?

 

[Football51]

What is completely nuts is to ask for proof that very obviously is said when reading between the lines. Do you really think they will run and tell someone that they do not trust their QB's. The Times? Newsday? SI?

It's called "LOOK AT THEIR RESUMES". If you still don't understand afterward, re-read that and maybe someday it will sink in?

Mainejet is right. Since Rex got fired, we haven't seen any media leaks.

 

[ucrenegade]

That is the most foolish thing I have ever heard. If you really believe that and Bowles does as well? Then, we can watch Chan Gailey PASS this team to an 0-16 record. Then, they'll all get fired.

Who knows with something that STUPID happening in the wake of Rex Ryan, maybe Woody will make every effort to rehire Rex Ryan?

ok the first time in a reg season game where we have more runs than passes i will admit i am wrong, but you obv have not watched any film with gailey as the oc.

 

[jetgreen13]

i lobbied hard for gailey on this forum & when all was said & done thought bowles over quinn was the right call as well..

don't misunderstand, i still believe in both but i'm absolutely stunned smith has been named the starter in late may..

 

[Superman55]

Mainejet is right. Since Rex got fired, we haven't seen any media leaks.

I'm not so sure. I think the Revis and Wilkerson negotiations have been pretty public. The jets having a "secret workout" with Mariita was very public, as was us trying to trade up for Mariota (at least asking the question).

I think there has been a fair share of true and false information coming from Jets base camp.

 

[Lakerfan80]

I don't know why people are stunned Geno has been named the starter right now. Everyone knew this when the team traded for an injured, journeyman vet and drafted a 4th round QB. Geno, starter of the last two seasons, would get the first crack. If Geno is half as bad as many think then there is nothing to worry about and the shock from talking about him being cut two days ago to being named starter for right now will wear off.

 

[EBoozer32]

Fitzpatrick is on a 1 yr. inexpensive contract. The Jets must be hoping Geno can show enough this year that he can at least become a competent game manager. If they can get that from him while they see if Petty can be "the guy" the Jets are in pretty good shape. Having a decent "cheap" QB locked up for the next 3-5 years will help us retain some of our better talent. Kind of like Seattle's situation with Wilson(just w/o the championship) Establish the running game and let's see how far we can go.

 

[jets82]

That may all be true, laker, but it still begs the questions:

1. Can you get to and win the Super Bowl with Ryan Fitzpatrick?

IMO he's been in the league long enough that we know what he is and what he isn't. There's no upside. What you see is what you get, and I don't see a guy who can take us to the Super Bowl and win it, at least not unless we have a defense like the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens and he's just along for the ride. So if you are trying to build towards a championship, as you should be (and as you well know as a Lakers fan), then I just don't see the point of starting Fitzpatrick even if you think he gives us a better chance to win 10 Games this year.

2. Has Geno maxed out as a player and is he too the finished product, so what you see is what you get?

If the answer to that question was YES, then I can definitely see going with Fitzpatrick, but I think even Geno's detractors would admit that there is still some untapped potential for a QB who came out of a spread offense in college, much like Petty, and is going into only his third year in the league. So while its entirely possible that he will continue to stink and never amount to anything in the NFL, there at least remains the possibility, however remote you wish to call it, that he can emerge as the long-term answer at QB, and with his physical talent, maybe even the kind of QB you can someday with a SB with. It might not happen, but at least the possibility exists.

Thats why I think this is the smart move, even if it fails.

I was hoping the QB competition would have taken place. Geno, Fitz, Petty, Simms, this other guy and whomever else. Put them all in the mix and let the best man win. This way whomever won, we as fans and the media could no longer debate that. I personal believe Geno would have straight won but that's just me. Geno has better talent snd upside then Fitz IMO head to head, Petty isn't ready for game action yet. Unless Petty is the next Russell Wilson and we don't know it yet, needs at least a year.

Simms hasn't been able to take the job from Geno in two years so why would he be able to now and the new kid they signed I know nothing about him but I don't see how he would compete much either. Coaches and management choose to go the other way and just pronounce Geno as the starter which is fine. They know 100 times more then we do and I trust in them 100 percent. So it what it is but it would have been nice to see or hear about a straight up competition.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

J82,

The trouble with a QB competition is the divided reps. If you have two guys competing and its a real competition, then your eventual starter is only getting 50% of the first team reps. If you have three guys competing, your eventual starter in only getting 33 to 34% of the first team reps, and if you have four, its 25% of the first team reps. That said, when you are installing a new system with a new OC, ideally your starting QB is getting 100% of the first team reps, or close to it, cause its the only way to develop a real chemistry with your offense. Thats why its always preferable to name your starter early, particularly when you're installing a new system.

The other problem with QB competitions is they tend to divide the locker-room.

 

[Lakerfan80]

The QB's aren't the only guys getting ready for the season. Offense can't come together with 4 or 5 QB taking snaps. Why do i want Simms getting the precious little time teams have to work, practicing with the 1st team?
Coaches aren't concerned about the media and the fans debating on talk radio and message boards, afterall everyone is still going to have their own opinion on who should start.