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Lakerfan80
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I've thought the same thing Sack...now I'm convinced it started after the Tuck Game.
Patriots drop appeal
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I have to say, I generally find Tom Curran to be one of the most unprofessional "journalists" I've ever read. But this is way over the top. If Patriots fans feel misled by Bob Kraft, they only have themselves to blame. They WANTED to be misled. They chose to stick their heads in the sand and act like the Patriots were innocent victims to Goodell's and the NFL's so-called anti-Pats agenda. I have zero sympathy for a fan base that allows itself to be duped so easily. I have no respect for a fan base that puts their fandom over basic matters of integrity and right or wrong.
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/adams-patriots-fans-were-misled-kraft?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/adams-patriots-fans-were-misled-kraft?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
That could be the root cause of a lot of this. I hadn't thought of it that way, but you may be right.
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ucrenegade
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I have always thought this which is why i keep saying we don't know what kind of qb he is...........and why i would not even put him top 20 all time. It;'s amazing to me people are just realizing this now I have been saying this since spygate
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Bart Hubbuch @BartHubbuch · 2h2 hours ago
John Mara just told me there is no quid pro quo between Goodell and Kraft to reduce Brady's suspension: "That doesn't exist."
Bart Hubbuch @BartHubbuch · 2h2 hours agoJohn Mara just told me there is no quid pro quo between Goodell and Kraft to reduce Brady's suspension: "That doesn't exist."
We'll find out going forward. If Brady struggles now in the cold weather games, the Patriots ,as a team, start to fumble a lot more. It should be interesting. If nothing changes, Brady continues to be a great QB in cold weather games then, it is was it is and maybe he should have given up his phone to protect his legacy.
If there is incriminating evidence on the phone, and I suspect there is, giving it up would not have been a good idea.
I had the debate with my friend who thinks this controversy is no big deal. I said that anything that tarnishes your legacy is a big deal.
His point is that this will be quickly forgotten when the Pats hit the ground running. My point is that in any debate that mentions these guys as the best ever someone can pull the cheat card on them.
His point is that this will be quickly forgotten when the Pats hit the ground running. My point is that in any debate that mentions these guys as the best ever someone can pull the cheat card on them.
Its definitely a black mark that doesn't go away, and if you're a Patriots fan it has to gnaw at you, unless you are completely clueless and oblivious. Nobody wants their success to be attributed to cheating in any way, shape or form.
Ideally your success is attributed to the things EVERYONE can admire, like hard work, perseverance, passion, toughness, skill, intelligence and overall excellence, to name a few, but you won't find cheating on that list.
or what if the phone has evidence that is incriminating in some other way - football or nonfootball related.
lets imagine what COULD be on the phone that would lead Brady to refuse to turn it over
- personal stuff - not incriminating but private and perhaps embarassing
- worse personal stuff - embarrasing marital or extramarital stuff
- business dealings - shady business dealings
- illegal stuff - who knows what
- stuff that incriminates Brady about the footballs or other football misconduct
- stuff that incriminates others - Bellicheck? - in football misconduct
It is unlikely that Brady refused to turn over the phone just on the principal of the thing. So what are credible explanations for his refusal to turn it over? We are not in criminal court.....so far.....so there is no 5th amendment right not incriminate oneself.
- personal stuff - not incriminating but private and perhaps embarassing
- worse personal stuff - embarrasing marital or extramarital stuff
- business dealings - shady business dealings
- illegal stuff - who knows what
- stuff that incriminates Brady about the footballs or other football misconduct
- stuff that incriminates others - Bellicheck? - in football misconduct
It is unlikely that Brady refused to turn over the phone just on the principal of the thing. So what are credible explanations for his refusal to turn it over? We are not in criminal court.....so far.....so there is no 5th amendment right not incriminate oneself.
The way the NFL set up the request was Brady would give the phone to his lawyer who only had to turn over information related to the deflate gate investigation. The NFL was never going to have possession of his phone or any personal information.
I'm ready to believe that was the NFL's initial request. But if there was bad stuff on the phone, ya never know what would happen in step 2 or 3 of the process.
Given what you say, all the more indication that the phone contains - contained? - incriminating material relating to deflation
The investigators said Brady and his/Pats' lawyers could oversee the handover of the records, so that only records pertinent to that particular investigation and matter were exposed.
You want a visual into what Pats fans are really like? Just read the comments.
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/borges-im-told-belichick-never-believed-brady?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/borges-im-told-belichick-never-believed-brady?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Incriminating evidence of any sort would make giving up the phone a bad idea.