Rating the Jets Head Coahes

[sg3]

Two questions for our official board apologist for WRECKS

How could that "very best coach in otherwise shitty franchise history" complete his last FOUR seasons with a record of 26 wins and 38 losses including the 4-12 in 2014 that thankfully got him shitcanned??

Even more interesting...How did Mr Defense achieve in 2013 and 2014 the two LOWEST number of takeaways by season of any seasons in the entire 54 years of that "shitty franchise history"??

The answer is simple.

Your emperor is naked

 

[Mainejet]

Two questions for our official board apologist for WRECKS

How could that "very best coach in otherwise shitty franchise history" complete his last FOUR seasons with a record of 26 wins and 38 losses including the 4-12 in 2014 that thankfully got him shitcanned??

Even more interesting...How did Mr Defense achieve in 2013 and 2014 the two LOWEST number of takeaways by season of any seasons in the entire 54 years of that "shitty franchise history"??

The answer is simple.

Your emperor is naked

First of all, I said he was one of the best, not the best. Stop changing what my post was.

The reason why he finished 26-38 over his last 4 seasons is easy. You can only work with what you have on the team. If you want to blame someone, look at your owner and consecutive bad GM's. GM's that left the team completely empty of any real talent, squandered drafts, and other stupid personnel moves that saw all of their essential veterans unreplaced.

If you want to criticize Rex for not calling out the owner and the GM and telling them I can't field a decent product when the team has no talent? I guess you would have a point. But Rex is not the kind of guy that calls people out. He will NEVER do that. For what it's worth, it's one of his very BEST qualities. However, it is also one of his WORST.

In the end, he got fired because of the misdeeds of ownership. Pure and simple. The ownership and the GM HAMSTRUNG the HC.

And in regards to the low number of takeaways? Do you realize you are preaching to the choir in that regard? The Jets defense very low number of takeaways was absolutely terrible and really I find no excuse for it. They were far too talented not to be generating a lot more turnovers. It's probably the largest and most legitimate reason to criticize Rex.

But to say, we have to fire Rex because we did not turn the ball over enough and meanwhile we had top 10 defenses in every season he was here is ludicrous. He also took this team to within one game of the SB in consecutive seasons with a rookie QB is something to be honored.

He did that with talented teams that he had. He could NOT do that in 2011 and beyond because the FO NEVER replaced the talent they let leave and or retire. Do I need to detail some of the stupid moves they made?

Just to mention a couple..... How about drafting Vlad Ducasse to replace Damien Woody at RT? What an incompetent attempt that was.

How about letting Braylon Edwards, how about cutting Alan Faneca? How about doing nothing to backfill running back after Ladanian Tomlinson retired? How about letting Dustin Keller leave and decent replacement being on the roster? What about signing Mark Sanchez to an extension? What about trading for Tim Tebow?

Now why don't you wax poetic in response about how WRECKS had everything to do with players being drafted? About how he made the owner and the GM his b*tch and forced them to completely remove any talent from the team because he was secretly on the Patsies payroll? Because he was biggest control freak in the history of the game that didn't know the first thing about building a football team.

Why don't you come back in that fashion? Because all of the empty contentions you make are exactly that - EMPTY.

 

[Football51]

Ryan had the same gm initially that Mangini had. The gm that got Revis, Mangold, Brick, Harris, Faneca, Washington, Jones, Jenkins, Woody, etc. IMO, Rex inherited a much better team in 2009 than the one he left Bowles with this year. Mangini/Tanny worked well together because Mangini had an eye for talent. Ryan did not.

 

[mykcuz]

Ryan had the same gm initially that Mangini had. The gm that got Revis, Mangold, Brick, Harris, Faneca, Washington, Jones, Jenkins, Woody, etc. IMO, Rex inherited a much better team in 2009 than the one he left Bowles with this year. Mangini/Tanny worked well together because Mangini had an eye for talent. Ryan did not.

Doesn't the gm put the roster together?

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[Football51]

Doesn't the gm put the roster together?

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Now, with Macc, yes....previously not so much. Read Collision Low Crossers and see Ryan's influence on personnel.

 

[mykcuz]

Two questions for our official board apologist for WRECKS

How could that "very best coach in otherwise shitty franchise history" complete his last FOUR seasons with a record of 26 wins and 38 losses including the 4-12 in 2014 that thankfully got him shitcanned??

Even more interesting...How did Mr Defense achieve in 2013 and 2014 the two LOWEST number of takeaways by season of any seasons in the entire 54 years of that "shitty franchise history"??

The answer is simple.

Your emperor is naked

I think the argument for Rex being ranked high in jets history is due to a lack of options. You don't have much to pick from.

At the end, we needed a gut job, not because everything was useless, but because in sports you sometimes need a fresh start. Not because Ryan sucks, but because his time had passed. Even Montana had to find a new home.

I don't think Rex is the greatest or the worst. Words like that are way to simplified to be accurate. He is an amazing defensive minded coach, and absolutely gets every drop out of his roster. He has strengths and weaknesses. But stop with this mangini nonsense, what has Eric accomplished after leaving the Jets? Nothing, he got fired again and only got a job as a te coach before this season. And I like mangini, but he's not some savant talent source.

But the fact that a rookie coach took over a team that had just embarrassed themselves the year before, because they were nothing if favre wasnt healthy. So Rex the rookie comes into the Jets having just lost favre to retirement and the Vikings, drafts a rookie qb who has since been a backup, and coaches the team he is given into a tremendous run. A run that was not common since parcels left, and a defense that was the best since the 2000 ravens. That is an accomplishment, not a pile of shit that he fell into.
and as far as mangini leaving him the team, that is revisionist history. The Jets had pieces, great pieces. Rex comes in and over the next 3 months we sign several new guys who made all the difference. LT, woody, and that beast of a nose tackle, I forget his name.

Pining our downturn on one person is blind hatred. We gambled on a veteran win now team, and we had an opportunity 2 straight years to win a sb. Then we paid the price of an older team 3 seasons down the road.
Rex made a splash, made us a force, and gave us a chance at glory. Rex in tandem with the gm, then failed to keep the momentum going. But that doesn't mean he sucks, it means he is who he is.

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[Savage69]

I think the argument for Rex being ranked high in jets history is due to a lack of options. You don't have much to pick from.

At the end, we needed a gut job, not because everything was useless, but because in sports you sometimes need a fresh start. Not because Ryan sucks, but because his time had passed. Even Montana had to find a new home.

I don't think Rex is the greatest or the worst. Words like that are way to simplified to be accurate. He is an amazing defensive minded coach, and absolutely gets every drop out of his roster. He has strengths and weaknesses. But stop with this mangini nonsense, what has Eric accomplished after leaving the Jets? Nothing, he got fired again and only got a job as a te coach before this season. And I like mangini, but he's not some savant talent source.

But the fact that a rookie coach took over a team that had just embarrassed themselves the year before, because they were nothing if favre wasnt healthy. So Rex the rookie comes into the Jets having just lost favre to retirement and the Vikings, drafts a rookie qb who has since been a backup, and coaches the team he is given into a tremendous run. A run that was not common since parcels left, and a defense that was the best since the 2000 ravens. That is an accomplishment, not a pile of shit that he fell into.
and as far as mangini leaving him the team, that is revisionist history. The Jets had pieces, great pieces. Rex comes in and over the next 3 months we sign several new guys who made all the difference. LT, woody, and that beast of a nose tackle, I forget his name.

Pining our downturn on one person is blind hatred. We gambled on a veteran win now team, and we had an opportunity 2 straight years to win a sb. Then we paid the price of an older team 3 seasons down the road.
Rex made a splash, made us a force, and gave us a chance at glory. Rex in tandem with the gm, then failed to keep the momentum going. But that doesn't mean he sucks, it means he is who he is.

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Rex did more with a rookie QB getting into the playoffs then any other Jet HC ever.. For the exception of Parcells who brought in Vinny and drafted Chad, Edwards and Mangini had decent QB's when they became the Jet HC, Rex didn't have any except Clemens who sucked.. Kris Jenkens who played great for the Jets in 08 played just 7 games for Rex in 2 years.. Pouha a failed 3 rd pick under Mangini played well for Rex as did Snacks and Devito 2 UDFA's..

 

[sg3]

So as expected in the backwoods of Maine, the SHITTY record for 4 years was the fault of EVERYBODY but the Head Coach.....

Of course

 

[NickSINYC]

What I can't reconcile is how you can argue both Rex is a good HC and Rex left the team in better shape than Mangini.

Good HCs who have the better team don't go 4-12 Something does not equate.

 

[Elias]

I'll chime in and say that I think Mangini was awful. For someone who came in as a defensive coach, his defense was atrocious. Rex got the most out of many of his own guys.

He's also the one that brought in Brian Schottenheimer.

 

[johnnysd]

Rex at 4 is ridiculous. You have to look at his entire body of work and especially once the team was truly a reflection of him and he was AWFUL. I would put him above Kotite. Rex is literally bad at everything a coach is responsible for. The first playoff run was a complete illusion and only possible because Polian was obsessed with making a point about not risking his players for an undefeated season. He had a good game plan against Brady in 2010 I will give him that but then when came out completely unprepared for our biggest game. 2 Championship games does not make up for how truly lousy he has been the last 4. He destroyed this team.

 

[johnnysd]

Rex did more with a rookie QB getting into the playoffs then any other Jet HC ever.. For the exception of Parcells who brought in Vinny and drafted Chad, Edwards and Mangini had decent QB's when they became the Jet HC, Rex didn't have any except Clemens who sucked.. Kris Jenkens who played great for the Jets in 08 played just 7 games for Rex in 2 years.. Pouha a failed 3 rd pick under Mangini played well for Rex as did Snacks and Devito 2 UDFA's..

This year will show that it was not Rex not having a QB, but Rex ruining the QBs he had. Amazing that people still defend the stiff.

 

[Jetsfanatic]

Rex at 4 is ridiculous. You have to look at his entire body of work and especially once the team was truly a reflection of him and he was AWFUL. I would put him above Kotite. Rex is literally bad at everything a coach is responsible for. The first playoff run was a complete illusion and only possible because Polian was obsessed with making a point about not risking his players for an undefeated season. He had a good game plan against Brady in 2010 I will give him that but then when came out completely unprepared for our biggest game. 2 Championship games does not make up for how truly lousy he has been the last 4. He destroyed this team.

These rankings are just one longtime fan's opinion. Please feel free to create your own list, I would love to see other's opinions.

As far as not agreeing with Rex at 4, that's OK, I'm not quite sure who should be placed higher. I ranked based on the job they did with the Jets, to me the biggest question was either Parcells or Ewbank as #1 .

 

[Savage69]

This year will show that it was not Rex not having a QB, but Rex ruining the QBs he had. Amazing that people still defend the stiff.

Did Mangini ruin Clemens?? He played Favre with a injured arm instead of going to the healthy QB..

 

[johnnysd]

Did Mangini ruin Clemens?? He played Favre with a injured arm instead of going to the healthy QB..

He was not a QB guru either that is for sure. Certainly we have been one of the worst places for QBs to go to for a long while. Geno and Sanchez were much better prospects than Kellen, though Kellen has had a decent backup career

 

[Bronx]

Jets had a great roster last year, who agrees ?

 

[Elias]

Jets had a great roster last year, who agrees ?

Crickets

 

[Mainejet]

It's important to remember that everyone contributed both good and bad to the current Jets situation. Now because we just came off a 4-12 season it's easy to point out the bad, and really it's been only bad since 2011. We did not become a horrible team overnight, it took a while.

Objectively speaking, Mike Tannenbaum was considerably on point from 2006 through 2008. He drafted well. Choosing to go with quality over quantity for the most part. However, that alone would not have made the Jets a contender, there were too many holes on the team at that point in time.

Really, what pointed the organization on the right track was Tanny's FA haul in early 2008. It cannot be understated how much better a team the Jets became after those additions. Damien Woody completely cured all of our woes at RT. Alan Faneca gave us a pro bowl Guard that stepped up his game and entered the "zone" when the team got into the playoffs. It also became infectious and spread throughout the OL. Tony Richardson gave us that FB that we never had before and haven't had since. Tremendous blocking and good pass catching ability out of the backfield.

Kris Jenkins gave us that all around great NT. The guy was not only an immovable object, but quite often he would become an important pass rusher. He basically controlled the LOS. Calvin Pace gave us the pass rushing element from the LB spot that we never got from Vernon Gholston. The team was counting on him and instead we needed an instant replacement if we wanted to contend earlier rather than later.

Mangini's undoing was not knowing what to do after a few injuries hit the team in 2008. The Jets were 8-3 at one point and appeared to be making a run through the division. But right at that point, Favre and Jenkins got injured. Mangini was unable to get others to step up and fill in those voids.

Rex Ryan had the benefit of the basics of a championship winning organization and he was also able to add a few instrumental pieces in Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard. Rex also knew just how to use Revis to exploit a defensive advantage for the Jets.

So to be fair, It was Tanny's early years as GM and Rex's know how and "finishing touch" acquisitions that made the team so great in 2009 and 2010. Really we were just a QB away from winning it all. I think that is an accurate and objective assessment of those team through those years.

In 2010 and beyond, Tanny started drafting a lot very bad players that were unable to help the Jets. Kyle Wilson, Vlad Ducasse, were just a few. That downward trend continued with John Idzik. Idzik was terrible at drafting for the most part.

So in summary, it was Tanny and Rex that built the team to the point of being a contender and making a push for a SB in 2009 and 2010. The team peaked in 2010. Since then it has all been downhill.

 

[sg3]

I get it now

WRECKS built the Jets to near greatness in 2009 and 2010 but WRECKS had nothing to do with the Jets sucking donkey balls in in 2011 and 2012 and 2013 and 2014. Those four 15 games under .500 seasons were the fault of double top secret mistake makers NOT named WRECKS

 

[jetgreen13]

I get it now

WRECKS built the Jets to near greatness in 2009 and 2010 but WRECKS had nothing to do with the Jets sucking donkey balls in in 2011 and 2012 and 2013 and 2014. Those four 15 games under .500 seasons were the fault of double top secret mistake makers NOT named WRECKS

ryan had "something" to do with both.. obviously..

the real question is which ryan do the bills get??

how much has he learned the last four years??