Geno Smith Out 6-10 Weeks

[ucrenegade]

OK, if that's how you feel...


Wait, wut?

He may turn out to be better, he may not. But there's no solid evidence to support your statement. Right now he's just a QB who was considered (by all 32 NFL teams) to be a lesser prospect than Geno, who hasn't yet proven whether that assessment is right or wrong.

I think Geno's shown his true colors as a person, and that, coupled with what we've seen on the field, is enough for me to want the Jets to move on. So I'm glad we have Petty - I hope that by this time next year, he's starting to look like someone who can help us in a couple of years. But regardless, the jury is wayyyyyy out.

Petty passes the eye test and the IQ test much more than Smith ever did.

 

[isired]

Petty passes the eye test and the IQ test much more than Smith ever did.

I hope you're right... you got him on the IQ test - wonderlic score of 31 (Matt Ryan/Phillip Rivers range) vs. 24 (Big Ben/RGIII)

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Quote Originally Posted by johnnysd View Post



I think some view me as a Geno supporter but that is not true.

I think a couple things:

1. The QB problems we have had over the last 6 years are a function more of the talent level we have had on offense, and the influence of Rex and a crappy coaching staff more than the talent at QB

2. You do not win in the NFL with a JAG QB like Fitz. Yes, Geno has been worse but with the above factors and the fact that he came from a spread it is not super surprising and Geno's upside is huge.

For those reasons I want to see what Geno can do. Starting Fitz is just spinning our wheels as an organization, and after a mediocre season where are we at QB? At least if we can get 10-12 games from Geno in the new system we can close the book on him so to speak one way or another. If he sucks, we look to Petty, if he emerges great, (the "leadership" will tag along with good play) if he is just mediocre, we probably move to Petty as well but then we know.

I hate the thought of a year with a veteran JAG. It is a nowhere move.

It needs to be said just how absurd this posts is........

First of all, you are probably constantly blaming Rex Ryan for all of Geno's failures and I am here to tell you that you're WRONG.

Everything is always the coaching staffs fault. That's the biggest bunch of nonsense I have ever heard. Marty and Rex did everything they possibly could for Geno. However, the lack of talent on the team is a function of poor general managers. John Idzik may have drafted Geno, but he also did NOTHING to improve the talent around him. Tanny left the cupboard completely bare in terms of talent.

Now you would stoop so low as to try and say you are NOT a geno supporter?! Get real. Everyone on this site knows it. What's worse is that you are conveniently doing it after we find out the true depth of Geno's perversion. Geno is a POS and now you are trying to distance yourself from him.

But not so fast, remember, you and I made a bet. I said Geno would not be the starting QB for the NYJ next season. You said he would be. This is a bet you cannot possibly win. When I win the bet, I want to come here and admit that GENO had everything to do with GENO's failures and not psychological coma crap like it's somehow Rex Ryan;s fault.

Rex Ryan surely didn't help Geno or Sanchez for that matter.

 

[Mainejet]

Rex Ryan surely didn't help Geno or Sanchez for that matter.

Oh, another Rex Ryan genius, ugh? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? So I guess Mark Sanchez being on the Philadelphia Eagles is somehow Rex Ryan's fault? Where do you come up with this sh*t?

Sanchez even more so cannot be questioned. Sanchez had Thomas Jones, Ladanian Tomlinson, Shonn Greene, Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, Plaxico Burress, Jerricho Cotchery, Tony Richardson, Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, etc. The last two are likely hall of famers. Sanchex had EVERYTHING a QB could ever need or want.

Then, after Mike T. stripped the team of all their talent (and don't insult you own intelligence by trying to say it was Rex Ryan's fault. That would have to be the dumbest crap I have ever heard. MIKE TANNENBAUM was the GM, NOT Rex Ryan), they needed Sanchez to step up and he could not do it. He sucked after two seasons of him having his ego pumped, a logical effort for him to gain confidence.

Sanchez f*cked up his own chances and the least amount of common sense could easily tell you that.

Rex Ryan did everything humanly possible to help the kid. He did a very admirable job at trying to develop the kid. Instead, Sanchez simply sucked and that was on him.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Oh, another Rex Ryan genius, ugh? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? So I guess Mark Sanchez being on the Philadelphia Eagles is somehow Rex Ryan's fault? Where do you come up with this sh*t?

Sanchez even more so cannot be questioned. Sanchez had Thomas Jones, Ladanian Tomlinson, Shonn Greene, Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, Plaxico Burress, Jerricho Cotchery, Tony Richardson, Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, etc. The last two are likely hall of famers. Sanchex had EVERYTHING a QB could ever need or want.

Then, after Mike T. stripped the team of all their talent (and don't insult you own intelligence by trying to say it was Rex Ryan's fault. That would have to be the dumbest crap I have ever heard. MIKE TANNENBAUM was the GM, NOT Rex Ryan), they needed Sanchez to step up and he could not do it. He sucked after two seasons of him having his ego pumped, a logical effort for him to gain confidence.

Sanchez f*cked up his own chances and the least amount of common sense could easily tell you that.

Rex Ryan did everything humanly possible to help the kid. He did a very admirable job at trying to develop the kid. Instead, Sanchez simply sucked and that was on him.

The love you have for Rex is laughable. I liked Rex, but Rex was far from perfect and even more so with how he handled the offense.

 

[Mainejet]

The love you have for Rex is laughable. I liked Rex, but Rex was far from perfect and even more so with how he handled the offense.

So no decent details to try and disprove what I am saying? I'll take that as knowing I won the argument and you lost. So what was it that Rex Ryan did that has made you so upset? Did he start dating your sister and he didn't ask?

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

So no decent details to try and disprove what I am saying? I'll take that as knowing I won the argument and you lost. So what was it that Rex Ryan did that has made you so upset? Did he start dating your sister and he didn't ask?

All you like to do is talk shit to posters to prove your point that you won. So stupid!!! I have a different view than you and I really don't care if you like it. I didn't say you were wrong with some of your points. I basically said Rex has done no favors for any of our QBs. And I said I liked Rex for the most part. You win and for that win I will just ignore your posts.


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[flgreen]

Oh, another Rex Ryan genius, ugh? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? So I guess Mark Sanchez being on the Philadelphia Eagles is somehow Rex Ryan's fault? Where do you come up with this sh*t?

Sanchez even more so cannot be questioned. Sanchez had Thomas Jones, Ladanian Tomlinson, Shonn Greene, Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, Plaxico Burress, Jerricho Cotchery, Tony Richardson, Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, etc. The last two are likely hall of famers. Sanchex had EVERYTHING a QB could ever need or want.

Then, after Mike T. stripped the team of all their talent (and don't insult you own intelligence by trying to say it was Rex Ryan's fault. That would have to be the dumbest crap I have ever heard. MIKE TANNENBAUM was the GM, NOT Rex Ryan), they needed Sanchez to step up and he could not do it. He sucked after two seasons of him having his ego pumped, a logical effort for him to gain confidence.

Sanchez f*cked up his own chances and the least amount of common sense could easily tell you that.

Rex Ryan did everything humanly possible to help the kid. He did a very admirable job at trying to develop the kid. Instead, Sanchez simply sucked and that was on him.

Maine, you haven't said anything outrageous in this thread, and you make some good points, but lets try to keep the posts from becoming personal. Your kind of skirting the edge of that.

Thanks

 

[johnnysd]

Rex Ryan did everything humanly possible to help the kid. He did a very admirable job at trying to develop the kid. Instead, Sanchez simply sucked and that was on him.

That is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. Rex never did ANYTHING to help either QB he had. I guess you are entitled to your opinion, but Rex CLEARLY one of the worst head coaches in the NFL, and he is a cancerous sore to any possibility of the offense or the QB having any success with his forcing his ludicrous ground and pound and wildcat nonsense on the offense. And the concept that the draft and player personnel changes were made without significant input from Rex is ridiculous. He had significant input on player moves and the draft, both with Idzik and Tanny. Rex also assembled one of the worst groups of offensive coaches ever, with Sanjay Lal and David Lee the worst. Rex was terrible at in game management, game planning (outside of NE), insanely bad at half time adjustments, terribly overrated as a DC (the league has figured him out) and gradually lost any control of the team. He is a bottom 5 HC at best in the NFL, and his issues and failure are on him, not any of the numerous scapegoats he threw under the bus in Schotty, Sparano, Tanny, Idzik....etc...

Rex SUCKS. The Jets are significantly better off without him.

 

[NickSINYC]

Then, after Mike T. stripped the team of all their talent (and don't insult you own intelligence by trying to say it was Rex Ryan's fault. That would have to be the dumbest crap I have ever heard. MIKE TANNENBAUM was the GM, NOT Rex Ryan), they needed Sanchez to step up and he could not do it. He sucked after two seasons of him having his ego pumped, a logical effort for him to gain confidence.

Sanchez f*cked up his own chances and the least amount of common sense could easily tell you that.

Rex Ryan did everything humanly possible to help the kid. He did a very admirable job at trying to develop the kid. Instead, Sanchez simply sucked and that was on him.

Was it not Mr T and a different HC that built the talented team you believe had all the pieces Sanchez needed then he decides to totally get rid of them all on his own with no input from totally innocent Rex.

 

[Elias]

Was it not Mr T and a different HC that built the talented team you believe had all the pieces Sanchez needed then he decides to totally get rid of them all on his own with no input from totally innocent Rex.

Agreed. Rex's fingerprints are all over the teams that he has coached from beginning to end. Near the end of his tenure, the talent deteriorated. It's not 100% his fault, but he has a lot to do with it.

 

[Mainejet]

Geno is a POS?, yet you want to see him this season? why? He hasn't shown he is as good as Fitz, just younger with more physical ability, whatever that's good for.

First of all, I want the best players to play. that doesn't mean I have to like those players. As much as I thought Fitz would win the QB competition outright, I was wrong. Geno was winning up until he got his ass kicked. So I want the guy that played the best in training camp.

Now, don't mistake that for me thinking is a great guy and a real live franchise QB. Like I posted already, Geno is a POS. Truth be told, if I had the opportunity to meet Geno Smith, I would turn it down.

I also think he SUCKS as a QB. He's beyond terrible. So bad that it's laughable for most other teams fans. He's a laughingstock. But I want this thing to play through. I want the Jets CS to realize that Geno will NEVER get the team where the CS wants it to go. He's also the BEST QB on the roster. As sad as that is to say, Geno Smith is the best QB on the roster right now.

 

[Mainejet]

All you like to do is talk shit to posters to prove your point that you won. So stupid!!! I have a different view than you and I really don't care if you like it. I didn't say you were wrong with some of your points. I basically said Rex has done no favors for any of our QBs. And I said I liked Rex for the most part. You win and for that win I will just ignore your posts.


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Well, I am telling you, in so many words, that your standpoint on Rex Ryan is not only 100% wrong, but mostly made up in your head. For whatever reason, you are unwilling to assign blame where it belongs. Rex Ryan was forced to work with a BAD team talent wise. But he did the best he could. Due to the cap problems, the Jets could not go out and get talent. Rex had to live through a bad period of Jets teams.

Make no mistake about it, Rex Ryan, for all of his faults (and there were a few or maybe more), was NOT to blame for this team going awry so badly over the last 4 seasons. This started and ENDED with bad General Managers and a bad owner.

Woody Johnson hired John Idzik. That tells you that Woody Johnson had no idea how to hire a general manager. He also let Mike Tannenbaum run the team in the ground. Tanny allowed all of their good talent to either leave via free agency, or did nothing to back fill areas where players would be retiring. he also traded for Tim Tebow. He also resigned Sanchez to an extension.

The lunacy behind those moves is never ending.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Bad GM's and a bad owner.

Anything to excuse Rex. Rex Ryan got six years and showed he wasn't a very good HC. He couldn't control the locker room, he spent too much time slapping guys on the ass and laughing like a clown, and not enough time keeping guys in line. He was a horrible in-game manager. His team's were grossly undisciplined.

None of that is Woody Johnson, Mike Tannenbaum, or John Idzik's fault. True, Tanny spent money like a drunken sailor, and Idzik was too conservative with the money. But Rex was to blame for most of it.

And blaming Woody Johnson makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to this Jets fan. Woody is a good owner.

 

[Mainejet]

Was it not Mr T and a different HC that built the talented team you believe had all the pieces Sanchez needed then he decides to totally get rid of them all on his own with no input from totally innocent Rex.

Does the term "cap hell" ring a bell at all with you? Does the term "bad drafting" ring a bell with you? Mike Tannenbaum cut Alan Faneca. Faneca IMO was the spark plug and motivation for that great OL of 2009. He also let Jerricho Cotchery walk out the door. JC was homegrown talent with better hands than SH and BE. Yet, he let him walk.

He also drafted the likes of Vladimir Ducasse. This was the guy that was supposed to be the heir apparent to Damien Woody. Can you believe that? Tanny actually thought Vlad Ducasse could take over for Damien Woody. That has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen. He also drafted Stephen Hill, another complete abomination of a pick. He also resigned Mark Sanchez. And for what reason? WHAT had he shown to let anyone know they were on the right track to getting a franchise QB? Was there ANYTHING? He also traded for Tim Tebow. That might very well be the worst trade in the history of football. Even worse, than the Vikings trading 10 picks and players for Herschel Walker.

It's those moves that spelled doom for the NYJ coupled with Woody Johnson hiring John Idzik to follow up those very bad moves with even WORSE drafting?

Rex was always the guy that could identify talent, especially on defense. Unfortunately, he could not get any of that talent because of the massive hole Tanny dug for the organization. he was FORCED to live through very lean years in terms of talent. But he did it and he certainly did not complain about it. Yet, now you guys want to throw him under the bus as though somehow you KNEW better? Complete nonsense.

 

[Mainejet]

Bad GM's and a bad owner.

Anything to excuse Rex. Rex Ryan got six years and showed he wasn't a very good HC. He couldn't control the locker room, he spent too much time slapping guys on the ass and laughing like a clown, and not enough time keeping guys in line. He was a horrible in-game manager. His team's were grossly undisciplined.

None of that is Woody Johnson, Mike Tannenbaum, or John Idzik's fault. True, Tanny spent money like a drunken sailor, and Idzik was too conservative with the money. But Rex was to blame for most of it.

And blaming Woody Johnson makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to this Jets fan. Woody is a good owner.[/QUOTE]

Really? So I guess the fairy godmother hired John Idzik then, right? Certainly can't be Woody Johnson. After all, BlindsideD'Brick claims Woody is a good owner. This has to be one of the worst posts I have ever seen you make and IMO you've made many.

 

[Johnny Unite Us]

Rex was a shitty coach.


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[Elias]

Bad GM's and a bad owner.

Anything to excuse Rex. Rex Ryan got six years and showed he wasn't a very good HC. He couldn't control the locker room, he spent too much time slapping guys on the ass and laughing like a clown, and not enough time keeping guys in line. He was a horrible in-game manager. His team's were grossly undisciplined.

None of that is Woody Johnson, Mike Tannenbaum, or John Idzik's fault. True, Tanny spent money like a drunken sailor, and Idzik was too conservative with the money. But Rex was to blame for most of it.

And blaming Woody Johnson makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to this Jets fan. Woody is a good owner.[/QUOTE]

Really? So I guess the fairy godmother hired John Idzik then, right? Certainly can't be Woody Johnson. After all, BlindsideD'Brick claims Woody is a good owner. This has to be one of the worst posts I have ever seen you make and IMO you've made many.

MJ you're very passionate and emphatic with all your posts. I hope you come around when you're proven wrong for each prediction you have made. Ryan has many flaws and is repeating the same mistakes he made here in buffalo.

Having said that, yes Woody made a big mistake hiring Idzik but I wouldn't call him a bad owner. He has tried to make us better. He has failed but his passion is there. Eventually he will get it right. I think he will soon.

 

[Elias]

Rex was a shitty coach.


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I wouldn't call him shitty but extremely flawed. He's stubborn and being stubborn got him the ax.

 

[flgreen]

Well I guess I'll put my two cents into the debate, and make every one mad. LOL

I honestly just don't understand why there is so much hatred directed at Rex Ryan. Yes, I've read all the posts by the "hate Rex crew". Still don't understand.

IMO Rex had more success here then any Jets coach not named Weeb. They were very exciting times. Rex was a very exciting coach. He clearly loved being the coach of the Jets. Probably from the days when his Daddy won a ring here. He badly wanted to win one to. I really enjoyed his time here.

He and Mike T. gambled heavy on on Sanchez. They gambled that Sanchez was going to take the step forward in 2011, and become a franchise QB. They mortgaged the future bringing in older players, and signing core players to big contracts in a win now gamble.

They gambled and lost. Sanchez never made that leap forward, the team got old fast, and the party was over. Rex certainly had his faults, but if Sanchez became that franchise QB, and they hit one role of luck, Rex is still here, rebuilding, and the argument wouldn't be how much he is hated, it's whether he's the greatest Jets coach of all time.

Just the way it is. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately league. Rex's team got old, and so did his act as they missed the play offs again, and again. When he got fired it was time. It's also time for Jets' fans to move on from him. He's the HC of the Bills now, and personally I'm concerned about that. Rex can get his guys to to play top shelf when he is passionate on a game.

Rex certainly wasn't the worst coach in the NFL, an he's not the best.

JMO