2015 Predictions for Ryan Fitzpatrick

[Superman55]

Everyone wants to knock Fitz for being a 10 year vet, but how many QBs never come anywhere close to that long a tenure? At this moment do you think Geno will be in the league 10 years from now, never mind starting?

I know hope springs eternal when "potential" is involved, and I would love nothing more than to see Geno achieve it. But the fact remains 6 different teams looked at Fitz and said "I think this guy can help us" -- do you think Geno ever reaches half that amount?

I never looked at the variable as an ability to judge future success...how many teams had hope in Fitz and shortly thereafter didn't...

Well, maybe the 6th or 7th team is the charm. Tavaris Jackson is on a similar trajectory.


I think as some have said this will be an elite group of WRs in a familiar system...im hoping he far exceeds his past "successes" this year with Gaileys and him working with decker and Marshall.

 

[Superman55]

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[Superman55]

Well, as you may recall, if you have a dominant defense you can keep the other teams offense off the field and decrease the amount of points you must score.

Field position. ..

A dominant d let's your offense play to their game plan instead of going into panic mode passing every down.

Remember when Sanchez just had to manage to score 10 points in 4 quarters to get a win?

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Agreed. I do think we will need a top 3 D.

 

[Lakerfan80]

We needed a top 3 defense to succeed even before Geno went down. If Fitz can match the numbers Andy Dalton put up last season(19 td 17 int) and the defense is awesome the team has a chance to make playoffs, just as Cincy did lasr season

 

[mykcuz]

Agreed. I do think we will need a top 3 D.

If I were building my dream team would I pick Fitz, no. But in this situation, this year, I think he can work within the system without having to play panicked. Make smart throws, which let's face it, he's the smartest guy in the nfl.

He's going to get good line play, has a good running game, knows the coach, knows the offense, has great talent at receiver (and size).
I think he can handle this offense. Which is highly underrated. I'd still like to see Mathis signed, and would have liked to keep Percy as our return guy.

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[Jets31]

How does this season with Fitz potential compare to Vinny in 98?

Vinny was a veteran guy who had limited success over his career. He threw a lot of pick but played well on good teams in a few seasons.

Sounds similar to Fitz this year. My biggest concern with Fitz is his arm strength. Deep outs are a problem for him.

 

[johnnysd]

What I saw from Fitz last night is exactly what I expected. An extremely limited QB that will not make any plays but will have decent enough looking stats while we lose games. Petty looked 200% better than last week, but not just the results, in his command, recognition and especially how fast he releases the ball once he makes his read. Both Geno and Fitz have that extra little pause before letting it go, Petty just slings it. I think there is a strong possibility we see three starting QBs for the Jets this year. Just hope we are not out of it by the time we shit can Fitz.

 

[Superman55]

How does this season with Fitz potential compare to Vinny in 98?

Vinny was a veteran guy who had limited success over his career. He threw a lot of pick but played well on good teams in a few seasons.

Sounds similar to Fitz this year. My biggest concern with Fitz is his arm strength. Deep outs are a problem for him.

Vinny was coming off some amazing sea sons with the rAvens when we got him, including get a recent 4000 yard 30 TD season, ie what Matt Ryan did last year, and still had a rocket arm.

Vinny today has a better arm than Fitz has had in any year of his life since birth; however, people kind of had a Jeff George outlook towards Vinny where he had turnover nightmares at times...where Fitz is known for being really smart, but very limited .they were/are both considered washed up when the Jets added them.

 

[Superman55]

What I saw from Fitz last night is exactly what I expected. An extremely limited QB that will not make any plays but will have decent enough looking stats while we lose games. Petty looked 200% better than last week, but not just the results, in his command, recognition and especially how fast he releases the ball once he makes his read. Both Geno and Fitz have that extra little pause before letting it go, Petty just slings it. I think there is a strong possibility we see three starting QBs for the Jets this year. Just hope we are not out of it by the time we shit can Fitz.

Agreed. Newspaper reporters already calling him captain check down...despite throwing against vanilla defenses...

 

[flgreen]

How does this season with Fitz potential compare to Vinny in 98?

Vinny was a veteran guy who had limited success over his career. He threw a lot of pick but played well on good teams in a few seasons.

Sounds similar to Fitz this year. My biggest concern with Fitz is his arm strength. Deep outs are a problem for him.

Vinny had a lot more physical tools then Fitz has. Vinny had a very impressive arm. Fitz, who I'm glad is on the team, just isn't going to do what Vinny did.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Vinny had a lot more physical tools then Fitz has. Vinny had a very impressive arm. Fitz, who I'm glad is on the team, just isn't going to do what Vinny did.

Vinny Testaverde had a cannon. At his peak he had one of the strongest arms in football. If he was a pitcher he would have hit triple digits on the gun. He didn't have that same velocity when he came to the Jets, but he still had a mid 90's fastball.

If Fitzpatrick was a pitcher, he would be a knuckleballer or a junkballer who tries to beat you with guile, because he has a BP fastball that sits at about 85 MPH.

 

[flgreen]

Vinny Testaverde had a cannon. At his peak he had one of the strongest arms in football. If he was a pitcher he would have hit triple digits on the gun. He didn't have that same velocity when he came to the Jets, but he still had a mid 90's fastball.

If Fitzpatrick was a pitcher, he would be a knuckleballer or a junkballer who tries to beat you with guile, because he has a BP fastball that sits at about 85 MPH.

I understand what your saying Ham, and I agree with you to an extent. The thing is there is really no sense getting all upset about it, there is nothing that can be done right now. Fitz is the best QB on the team. IMO if the running game, and the D is as advertised (so far the D hasn't played like it.) the Jets will be in most games. Fitz isn't going to have 400 yard 4 TD games , to cover for the team when the D is having a bad day, but he isn't going to throw 3 picks in 7 passes to throw a game away either, (hopefully)

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

I understand what your saying Ham, and I agree with you to an extent. The thing is there is really no sense getting all upset about it, there is nothing that can be done right now. Fitz is the best QB on the team. IMO if the running game, and the D is as advertised (so far the D hasn't played like it.) the Jets will be in most games. Fitz isn't going to have 400 yard 4 TD games , to cover for the team when the D is having a bad day, but he isn't going to throw 3 picks in 7 passes to throw a game away either, (hopefully)

The problem with dinking and dunking is it results in a slew of 3 & Outs, like last night when we had five straight 3 & Outs, especially if the defense stacks the box as they will verses Fitzpatrick. You also have to be perfect with that kind of offense to score touchdowns, you have to be perfect to score TD's on 10+ play drives, and you usually wind up leading the league in FGA's. But the 3 & Outs is what kills a defense. There's no better way to demoralize and exhaust your defense than a succession of 3 & Outs. If you can't at least move the ball and give the defense a blow, you are setting them up to fail.

Also if you're not scoring TD's, you are forcing your defense to pitch a perfect game, one mistake can cost you the game, so they wind up playing tight. They can't just play loose, fly around and have fun.

 

[flgreen]

The problem with dinking and dunking is it results in a slew of 3 & Outs, like last night when we had five straight 3 & Outs, especially if the defense stacks the box as they will verses Fitzpatrick. You also have to be perfect with that kind of offense to score touchdowns, you have to be perfect to score TD's on 10+ play drives, and you usually wind up leading the league in FGA's. But the 3 & Outs is what kills a defense. There's no better way to demoralize and exhaust your defense than a succession of 3 & Outs. If you can't at least move the ball and give the defense a blow, you are setting them up to fail.

Also if you're not scoring TD's, you are forcing your defense to pitch a perfect game, one mistake can cost you the game, so they wind up playing tight. They can't just play loose, fly around and have fun.

All valid points. What's the option at this point in time?

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

All valid points. What's the option at this point in time?

There's no perfect alternative, only a series of bad options, the trick is to go with the best of the bad options with the highest possible ceiling, and IMO thats not Fitzpatrick. Barring a trade, if I'm Bowles I'm talking to Gailey about the possibility of installing a variation of the Baylor spread offense for Petty and living with the growing pains.

 

[Elias]

Closing this thread for the time being so all Fitzpatrick talk can be had in the Captain Checkdown thread. We'll merge once that dies down....

 

[flgreen]

There's no perfect alternative, only a series of bad options, the trick is to go with the best of the bad options with the highest possible ceiling, and IMO thats not Fitzpatrick. Barring a trade, if I'm Bowles I'm talking to Gailey about the possibility of installing a variation of the Baylor spread offense for Petty and living with the growing pains.

Got to disagree. If I'm the Jets once the Bird's game is over I lock petty in a room with a QB's coach, barrels of film, and forget about him until next season. JMO

 

[ucrenegade]

who is willing to eat crow lol