Captain Checkdown

Green Jets & Ham

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The most alarming thing I saw last night was Fitzpatrick's reluctance to go down the field, or perhaps it was Bowles and Gailey recognizing his limitations (that chicken-wing he calls an arm) and reacting accordingly.

Even scarier, from my observation he threw ONE intermediate route to Brandon Marshall, about a 20 Yard Button-Hook at the left hash, and the pass literally died before it got there. It traveled about 18 Yards and BAM!!, it fell like it was shot, resulting in an incomplete pass that hit the ground before it reached Marshall who was open and should have secured a first down. I believe thats how the series ended in yet another 3 and Out.

We can't have it, you can't win games in this league if your QB can't even drill a 20 Yard Button-Hook at the hash. I understand that he can't throw the deep out and that in itself is a huge problem. If you can't make a defense cover the whole field in this league, particularly the better defenses, they will game-plan accordingly and eat your lunch. You can at least be competitive verses poor to mediocre defenses, so long as you can make all of the throws between the hash marks including a deep post, but if you can't even do that on passes beyond 20 Yards, you might as well not even play the games.

Honestly, you would be better off starting a "not ready for primetime" Bryce Petty and going strictly to a shotgun spread offense like he ran at Baylor. Thats why he looked pretty good last night. Gailey essentially put him in the spread on 80% of the snaps, other than designed runs between the tackles, but you don't want to telegraph your offense like that in the regular season and you can design runs from the shotgun, so just put him in the spread and let him stay in his comfort zone, and live with the inevitable growing pains.

I know its not ideal, trust me, I KNOW THAT, I spent a lot of time pointing out that I like Petty's potential, but he's not ready for the NFL, his rookie year needs to be viewed by the team and fans as a quasi redshirt year, then if all else fails and you want to get him some real game experience late in a lost season, that would be fine, at that point you have nothing to lose and it might be helpful to at least get him a taste of the NFL and the speed of the game on Sunday's.

That was my position from the outset, even while I was lobbying for Petty in the draft, but that was before Geno had his jaw broken and before I saw a 20 Yard Button-Hook DIE at about 18 Yards, and he wasn't even pressured on the throw, its not like he was throwing off his back foot, he was able to plant and throw it and still he didn't have enough arm to get it there. And please lets not pretend that I'm basing all of this on one throw. I'm not and you know that I'm not. I'm just using this one throw to exhibit what we've all known to begin with, Fitzpatrick's main problem is his lack of arm strength, only even his harshest critics never imagined that would also pertain to intermediate routes between the hashes.

The other thing you have to be concerned about, as I eluded too at the beginning, is his penchant to checkdown to the underneath routes, play after play after play. If I saw it once last night (last week too), I saw it a million times. He was getting the time to set up in the pocket and make some throws downfield, and you could see him looking downfield, but you could also see his reluctance to pull the trigger, then turning his attention to the underneath safety valve. The Jets beat guys are noticing it too. One reporter is already calling him "Captain Checkdown", and thats not good.

Anyway, if the alternative is Fitzpatrick, I seriously have to consider designing the offense to fit Petty's skill set and comfort zone, then letting the kid go out there and wing it. For sure we'll make a lot more mistakes, but it won't be boring and at least the kid can force defenses to defend the whole field, and he will score points in his offense. If Gailey essentially gives him a variation of the Baylor offense to run, he will score points.
 

Superman55

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Hahahaha, I just finished typing on another thread that reporters are cling him captain check down despite going against vanilla defenses.. I return to the main forum to find this subject.

Before yesterday I said we were a 7-9 win team with Geno or Fitz. Didn't really matter because they're both bad.

After his first 5 drives, only 2 against Atlanta's starters, we had 5 punts...against the 32nd ranked pass D playing a vanilla Cover 2 aLl night.

I now think we are a 6 win team if Fitz starts and plays 16 games. It's not just that he can't make all the throws...I think k he can only make 50% of NFL throws.

Not sure how Bill OBRIEN got that career year out of him last year.. .that included Fitz getting benched by the bye week (he had a career year in a year they benched him and went in another direction at QB).

I know people will say it's overreacting to preseason, but it's obvious he's bringing a knife to a gun fight and he is not an NFL caliber starting QB.
 

BlindsideD'Brick

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Jets fans are amazing. You guys are freaking out, and the opening credits have just appeared on the movie screen.

Let's let this play out past preseason before we start making predictions about W's and L's?

I'm not trying to start trouble, but it's such an overreaction around here whenever ANYTHING bad happens.
 

Superman55

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However, I think we are going to have to stomach a rough year. You can't play Petty, man. Coverages weren't moving, fronts weren't shifting, it was super vanilla. His head will be spinning when he sees what Fitz sees week 1 while throwing at Joe Haden....I think we need to get ready to stomach some terrible offensive games.
 

Green Jets & Ham

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Hahahaha, I just finished typing on another thread that reporters are cling him captain check down despite going against vanilla defenses.. I return to the main forum to find this subject.
If they're calling your QB "Captain Checkdown", and its not a case of the NY media just being snarky as usual, but it actually applies and you know it applies, your team is in a lot of trouble.

Thats why I'm advocating Petty, even knowing Petty is not ready.

I'd rather have a not ready Petty in a variation of the Baylor spread, than Captain Checkdown putting Jets fans to sleep.
 

TebowCan'tThrow

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Can you run a day throw to Ivory 75% of the time and keep him healthy? Hope so.

Don't know. We have never seen what Ivory can do when he is the lead back. Ridley will hopefully be healthy because I'm not liking Stacy at the moment.
 

Superman55

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Jets fans are amazing. You guys are freaking out, and the opening credits have just appeared on the movie screen.

Let's let this play out past preseason before we start making predictions about W's and L's?

I'm not trying to start trouble, but it's such an overreaction around here whenever ANYTHING bad happens.

Some people enjoy projecting...both the patient and those who like to project should be allowed to enjoy this chat forum.
 

Green Jets & Ham

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Just run the ball 75% of the time because Ivory and Powell look great.
That would be a great plan if it was 1972 and we had the no-name defense, or even 1985 and we were the 85 Bears, but you just can't win in this league like that anymore, its a passing league and a good defensive day is holding a team under 21 Points. Its a totally different league than it was 30+ Years ago, every rules change has been designed to open up the offense, so you can't hide your QB anymore, you can't ask Earl Morrell and Bob Griese to throw 10 Passes Per Game and go undefeated. You try that today and you have a better chance at going 0-16, its a recipe for defeat, your QB has to be able to make the throws and you must have at least two or three explosion plays in each game. You can't "three yards and a cloud of dust" or dink & dunk your way to the playoffs.
 

AFA2017

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Hahahaha, I just finished typing on another thread that reporters are cling him captain check down despite going against vanilla defenses.. I return to the main forum to find this subject.

Before yesterday I said we were a 7-9 win team with Geno or Fitz. Didn't really matter because they're both bad.

After his first 5 drives, only 2 against Atlanta's starters, we had 5 punts...against the 32nd ranked pass D playing a vanilla Cover 2 aLl night.

I now think we are a 6 win team if Fitz starts and plays 16 games. It's not just that he can't make all the throws...I think k he can only make 50% of NFL throws.

Not sure how Bill OBRIEN got that career year out of him last year.. .that included Fitz getting benched by the bye week (he had a career year in a year they benched him and went in another direction at QB).

I know people will say it's overreacting to preseason, but it's obvious he's bringing a knife to a gun fight and he is not an NFL caliber starting QB.

Its only preseason game #2 and your overreacting!! I of course agree with you and Ham. We are not going anywhere with Fitz. Your expecting a 6 win season and I am being realistic with a 4 or 5 win season based soley on our "D". We have good WR's, but if Fitz can't get the ball to them, it won't matter. So let the arguments begin!!
 

TebowCan'tThrow

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Well I guess everyone will have some free Sunday's since they have no chance.


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Bronx

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They stole it from me. I called him Checkdown Charlie first


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Mugatu

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So you're telling me that the Jets are running a vanilla, safe system for their QB who is coming off of a broken leg, missed almost all of the off season scrimmages and mini camps, hardly had any 1st team reps in training camp and is playing with a bunch of receivers who he hasn't spent a lot of time playing with?

Wtf are they thinking?
 
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I don't mean this in a condescending way, but can we calm down about Fitzpatrick? We all know he is not a spectacular QB, but he has only been working with the starting unit for about a week and a half. He also has done something that we haven't seen from a Jets starting QB in a few years, he hasn't turned the ball over.

Also can we give arm strength a rest? Browning Nagle had the best strength a Jets QB ever had.
 
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I don't mean this in a condescending way, but can we calm down about Fitzpatrick? We all know he is not a spectacular QB, but he has only been working with the starting unit for about a week and a half. He also has done something that we haven't seen from a Jets starting QB in a few years, he hasn't turned the ball over.

Also can we give arm strength a rest? Browning Nagle had the best strength a Jets QB ever had.

Well said.

Did anyone really have Super Bowl aspirations this year? if some one was projecting Fitz as the starting QB for the next 5 years There would be real reason for concern. Hopefully a young QB will evolve, perhaps even Petty.

For right now Fitz is what we have. he will never have Nagle's arm, and thankfully he won't have Nagle's brain either. He'll improve some over the next few weeks.
 

Elias

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The dinks and dunks don't concern me. I'll take that over interceptions all day. It's a boring offense but we will start to open it up soon.

Pennington was captain checkdown and we all love him.
 

Bronx

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It's not about the Super Bowl, which we and the team should never not aim for, even this year. You always aim high. It's about the offense being so limited. Yes, he will have less turnover, most probably. But this offense will be frustrating to watch. And frustrating for the skill position players.

I know Petty has to sit, and that's what I want. Gene never got luxury because Rex wanted the Snoopy trophy. But there was a reason that even with all his bad play last year, the coaches were going with Geno. I think as soon as he is healthy, they will put him back in. Opening up the playbook will be one of the reasons
 
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