Captain Checkdown

[flgreen]

I hope so too. I think he has some really reliable WR's that are very good blockers for run game and then play action could yield some bigger plays.

We'll have to see Tebow. Fitz can get the long ball out with some accuracy, where he struggles mightily is the 10-15 yard outs. A real staple of the game for a strong armed QB. Very difficult to defend, also very difficult to throw. If a weak armed QB try's them to often, they turn into pick 6's.

Petty when/if his time comes should be able to throw them regularly. It's just not his time yet.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

We'll have to see Tebow. Fitz can get the long ball out with some accuracy, where he struggles mightily is the 10-15 yard outs. A real staple of the game for a strong armed QB. Very difficult to defend, also very difficult to throw. If a weak armed QB try's them to often, they turn into pick 6's.

Petty when/if his time comes should be able to throw them regularly. It's just not his time yet.

And hopefully it's not his time until the right time.


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[flgreen]

actually anyone who has nfl rewind or whatever it is now go back and watch fitz with bills and texans like i did.

he can make the bomb throws with ease and pretty accurate. The ones he has no arm strength for are the 10-15 yard outs or curls those are real issues for him and you will see alot of low throws on those routes this year.

Might even see a few picked off because he can't rope it to those routes so real good db's will jump it with ease.

But don't tell me he can't throw it long because I bet stevie johnson and deandre hopkins will tell you your wrong.

He checked down alot because our wr's couldn't get deep.

LOL

Wish I had seen this before I made my post. Obviously I agree

 

[Elias]

actually anyone who has nfl rewind or whatever it is now go back and watch fitz with bills and texans like i did.

he can make the bomb throws with ease and pretty accurate. The ones he has no arm strength for are the 10-15 yard outs or curls those are real issues for him and you will see alot of low throws on those routes this year.

Might even see a few picked off because he can't rope it to those routes so real good db's will jump it with ease.

But don't tell me he can't throw it long because I bet stevie johnson and deandre hopkins will tell you your wrong.

He checked down alot because our wr's couldn't get deep.

Good point. We haven't ran any deep routes. Too bad Devin Smith got hurt. He would exclusively be running those routes in these games.

 

[Golden Rott]

I know people are complaining about Fitz checking down, but we have seen what TO's have done to this team over the last 6+years. Its boring football to watch for sure, but you I think can work if TO's are limited.

It can work if TOs are limited and our defense forces TOs.

You still need to hit on big plays (O, D or ST) to score in this league. It is really hard to consistently put together 12-15 play drives to put points on the board. If we play the ultra safe offense, it can work if our defense forces turnovers and gives us short fields. In past years, we haven't gotten those short fields and needed to go 80+ yards to score and that is awfully tough to do. We saw it last night with Fitz where we would pick up one or two firsts, but a penalty, a sack or a negative play would put us behind in down and distance.

Look at our 2 TD drives last night -- 1st TD was a 33 yard run by Ivory. The TD drive Petty led included several pass plays of 12-15 yards, including a conversion on 3rd and 12. You have to force turnovers or be able to get yards in chunks to score.

 

[flgreen]

We can debate till we are blue in the face about how we can't win with a weak armed QB, but the real thing I noticed last night that concerns me , was 13 penalties in the first half, mostly by the 1's. Not going to win many games doing that.

Maybe the CS should open Sunday's practice by running gassers.

 

[jetfandreamer]

Jets fans are amazing. You guys are freaking out, and the opening credits have just appeared on the movie screen.

Let's let this play out past preseason before we start making predictions about W's and L's?

I'm not trying to start trouble, but it's such an overreaction around here whenever ANYTHING bad happens.

Totally agree..mindless thread..I suppose they would rather see a guy force the ball down field in coverage for ints? ointing-smiley-emoointing-smiley-emo

Its funny too because a lot of the FITZ worriers..wanted him over Geno..their offense will be a little more limited with Fitz since he does not have the roll out capabilities of Geno.....

and please don't anyone be naïve enough to think Petty should start..this is first grade right now.....high school starts in 3 weeks

 

[jetfandreamer]

Illt ake a 4 yard checkdown over a poitential 30 yard interception any day.....bottom line is too limit turnovers....

 

[Lakerfan80]

Good point about our receivers getting deep. They are guys who get deep from play-action. Neither starting receiver is blowing by there man right of the line of scrimmage. Brains is more important than brawns and a reason why P. Manning is still a top 5-10 QB.

 

[jetfandreamer]

It also sucks that now, more than ever, this league is very dependent on the qb.

Its just as important to have no turnovers

 

[jetfandreamer]

We can debate till we are blue in the face about how we can't win with a weak armed QB, but the real thing I noticed last night that concerns me , was 13 penalties in the first half, mostly by the 1's. Not going to win many games doing that.

Maybe the CS should open Sunday's practice by running gassers.

I think gassers don't help..as Rex proved last year..its more about threatening guys their job...id like to see who made all penalties last night its about concentration..and putting your ego in ur back pocket for the late hits...Bohanon was a "bad job of form tackling..held his head up

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Ill take a 4 yard checkdown over a poitential 30 yard interception any day.....bottom line is too limit turnovers

I don't completely disagree, dreamer, there's no way to overstate the importance of protecting the football, but I think its equally as important for a QB to consistently get his team into the end-zone. Not throwing picks is huge, but if you don't get your offense into the EZ with any degree of regularity, it sort of defeats the purpose. In fact when Parcells was once asked what defines a franchise QB, he didn't say a QB who limits INT's, he said a QB who gets his team into the end-zone.

 

[Lakerfan80]

Most teams set their defense to limit big plays, it's scoring touchdowns in the redzone that counts. that is where you need a smart pocket QB who can read defense quickly and get the ball out, not strong arm QB's.

 

[flgreen]

I think gassers don't help..as Rex proved last year..its more about threatening guys their job...id like to see who made all penalties last night its about concentration..and putting your ego in ur back pocket for the late hits...Bohanon was a "bad job of form tackling..held his head up

Actually i was talking about the Coaching Staff running gassers (kidding of course) When you have your 1's committing that many penalties the CS just isn't getting their message accross.

Hopefully we'll see a better organized team next week

 

[Golden Rott]

I think gassers don't help..as Rex proved last year..its more about threatening guys their job...id like to see who made all penalties last night its about concentration..and putting your ego in ur back pocket for the late hits...Bohanon was a "bad job of form tackling..held his head up

Not sure about all of the penalties, but I now that Kellen Davis had 3 (false start and 2 holds), Darrin Walls had 2 (DPI and Def Hold) - on consecutive plays just ahead of the Lattimore interception, Brent Qvale picked up 2 on the same drive (false start and ineligible downfield) and Lattimore had 2 def holding calls. Don't think anyone else had more than 1.

 

[Football51]

Fitzpatrick gets himself in trouble because he has a gunslinger's mentality, but lacks the arm strength to back it up. just like Pennington, Fitz can throw downfield, but it's the out patterns that get him in trouble. the ball just hangs in the air too long. it cuts down what a defense needs to be concerned with because they know he can't make those throws. hopefully, we can take shots downfield keeping the defense honest, run the ball, and have an effective short passing game as well.

 

[NYJDraftKing]

Jets fans are amazing. You guys are freaking out, and the opening credits have just appeared on the movie screen.

Let's let this play out past preseason before we start making predictions about W's and L's?

I'm not trying to start trouble, but it's such an overreaction around here whenever ANYTHING bad happens.

Isn't the biggest gripe about Geno Smith.... that he "zeroes" on on his intended receiver, ....now we are complaining that Fritzpatrick is "checking down" his second, third and fourth options.... what makes any of you happy or do you just complain about everything ..... this "Checkdown" is also a very important process in that Gainey is instilling a new offensive scheme, in that these second, third and fourth options need to in the right places to execute the play as drawn and a boarderline receiver earns coaches points for executing the plays as drawn.

 

[jetfandreamer]

Not sure about all of the penalties, but I now that Kellen Davis had 3 (false start and 2 holds), Darrin Walls had 2 (DPI and Def Hold) - on consecutive plays just ahead of the Lattimore interception, Brent Qvale picked up 2 on the same drive (false start and ineligible downfield) and Lattimore had 2 def holding calls. Don't think anyone else had more than 1.

Have to limit them..but honestly..not too many starters.....I know Revis had a DPI in endzone and one of OL on first drive had false start

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Fitzpatrick gets himself in trouble because he has a gunslinger's mentality, but lacks the arm strength to back it up.

So far he looks like a gunfighter who lost his nerve.

Repeatedly I see him looking downfield, not pulling the trigger, and checking down to the safety valve instead. Granted we can't see the receivers downfield, if they are open or covered, but I find it hard to believe no-one had a step or two on the DB (which constitutes open in the NFL) on all of those downs. I think its more likely that Fitz needs more than a step or two because he can't get enough zip on the ball, so he's repeatedly checking down.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

So far he looks like a gunfighter who lost his nerve.

Repeatedly I see him looking downfield, not pulling the trigger, and checking down to the safety valve instead. Granted we can't see the receivers downfield, if they are open or covered, but I find it hard to believe no-one had a step or two on the DB (which constitutes open in the NFL) on all of those downs. I think its more likely that Fitz needs more than a step or two because he can't get enough zip on the ball, so he's repeatedly checking down.

We also don't know what the coaches are telling him to do. Or more than likely they are telling what not to do which is turn the ball over. I'm not going to panic yet.