Patriots have requested that banned Deflategate employees be reinstated

[dabigyear]

I read the report son.
The NFL admitted in court that they had no evidence at all for Brady or the assistants. You can damn anyone by just saying anything was more probable than not, but the assistants lost their job and Brady would have lost almost 2 million dollars.
Wells was paid $5 million dollars to find evidence to fry the Patriots and he found none. He was paid to bring in a report that the Patriots were guilty......more probable than not was as far as he got. The NFL had to start lying to the media to get a media guilty find. The shield is stained, bent, and broken...Goodell has done it, the only reason he has not been canned is he has 7 more years at $44 million a year.
The teams are the biggest losers because the Patriots are now playing with fire in their eyes, the last time they did that thy went 18-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Elias]

I read the report son.
The NFL admitted in court that they had no evidence at all for Brady or the assistants. You can damn anyone by just saying anything was more probable than not, but the assistants lost their job and Brady would have lost almost 2 million dollars.
Wells was paid $5 million dollars to find evidence to fry the Patriots and he found none. He was paid to bring in a report that the Patriots were guilty......more probable than not was as far as he got. The NFL had to start lying to the media to get a media guilty find. The shield is stained, bent, and broken...Goodell has done it, the only reason he has not been canned is he has 7 more years at $44 million a year.
The teams are the biggest losers because the Patriots are now playing with fire in their eyes, the last time they did that thy went 18-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't worry, that team was stacked with talent. I don't see much talent on their roster this year.

 

[dabigyear]

Every year that team is stacked with talent, brand new talent that was discarded from some other team that didn't know how to use them.
Go down the line every year and you'll find players they took off the scrap heap and made heroes. Players that then price themselves off the team and go on to another team and rich oblivion. i.e. Welker, Woodhead.

Lewis is the new talent this year.
Butler was the new talent last year.
Blount was the new talent before that.
Hey, did you hear, their current quarterback was the 7th quarterback picked in the 6th round of the draft 15 years ago, 38 years old, MVP in the SB last year.

They drafted their current top receiver, Edelman, who was the Kent State quarterback, they drafted him for receiving and punt returning, go figure.
They drafted a lineman one year that didn't play college football, he was a big time college wrestler, until injured he was very good.

Don't worry about the Patriots talent, none of us are smart enough to figure out what they can do with their talent. Head coaches and GM's can't figure that out and they're a lot smarter than us.

You just watch the games and worry about trying to beat them.

 

[Mugatu]

Yeah... And the cheating helps too

 

[dabigyear]

Yes, and your in charge of keeping track of how Brady passes 25 for 32 by cheating, because there are maybe 40 quarterbacks in the NFL that would love to learn how! The 2nd half of last year's AFC championship, Brady threw better with hard balls than soft balls. If you can't figure out how a football team can beat others without cheating, ask your mother to teach you how to knit!

 

[maxmet]

I read the report son.
The NFL admitted in court that they had no evidence at all for Brady or the assistants. You can damn anyone by just saying anything was more probable than not, but the assistants lost their job and Brady would have lost almost 2 million dollars.
Wells was paid $5 million dollars to find evidence to fry the Patriots and he found none. He was paid to bring in a report that the Patriots were guilty......more probable than not was as far as he got. The NFL had to start lying to the media to get a media guilty find. The shield is stained, bent, and broken...Goodell has done it, the only reason he has not been canned is he has 7 more years at $44 million a year.
The teams are the biggest losers because the Patriots are now playing with fire in their eyes, the last time they did that thy went 18-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well pops, if you read the Wells report your recall may be slipping. It for sure reached that conclusion.

Show me where NFL admitted no evidence against the assistants

You do know that the NFL standard for discipline is more probable than not - which is why that was the standard used in the Wells report. Maybe you dont know that pops.

Lots of agitation in your post. Calm down pops or you might have a stroke.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

Do we have a troll here?

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Pro Football Talk

Former NFL official reported McNally “six or eight years ago”

by Mike Florio
September 17, 2015

For months, former NFL official Mark Baltz has had nothing to say about locker-room attendant Jim McNally, who was suspended for his role in #DeflateGate . Now that McNally has been reinstated, Baltz has gone on the record.

Baltz tells Bob Kravitz of WTHR that he reported McNally to the league “six or eight years ago.”

“He always asked for the footballs, way, way before he was supposed to get them,’’ Baltz said. “If he could get them 10 or 15 minutes before he was supposed to get them, instead of the usual two minutes before the game — and there were some crews that let him do that — he would do it. I wouldn’t let him take them early, and I think he eventually figured that out because he stopped asking after a while. I probably did 10 to 15 games up there [in Foxboro] and those first few times, he’d always ask. I always thought it was very suspicious. He certainly acted in a suspicious manner.’’

Baltz also noticed that McNally didn’t operate like other locker-room attendants.

“I always thought he was an unusual dude,’’ Baltz said. “Most locker room guys, they sit there and if you need something, they got it for you. When you left the locker room, you’d lock the door and they’d stay right there. The other 31 teams, that’s what they would do. That was his job.

“But McNally, he was running all around like a chicken with his head cut off. Asking for the balls early. What I specifically reported him for several years ago, and I thought this was really unusual, he’d run out on the field with the footballs before the game and the next thing you know, he’s playing pitch-and-catch with [Tom] Brady. Then, next thing, he’s on the sidelines right next to [Bill] Belichick, like he’s a [bleeping] assistant coach or something.”

Baltz said the NFL never responded to the concerns about McNally:

“He was always worried about the footalls, always. It was very odd. I reported him to the league, but never got any reaction from them. I don’t think they thought it was a big deal at the time. But [McNally] did things that 31 other locker room attendants don’t do. . . . All I know is, when he got [the footballs], he would run. He would take off. Whether he was going somewhere and letting air out, I’m definitely suspicious, but I don’t know for sure.’’

I’m a little suspicious that we haven’t heard from Baltz sooner. Then again, I’ve always been suspicious of the guy who called himself “The Deflator.” And I still can't understand why Commissioner Roger Goodell didn’t insist on testimony from McNally as part of the Tom Brady appeal hearing.

 

[dabigyear]

Read Judge Brennan's questions, he asked the NFL attorney, "do you have any direct evidence" and they replied no. What's more Goodell's report was nothing about the assistants and the NFL never ruled against the assistants, this was strictly a Brady hanging.

Brennan ruled that Brady he did not have a fair arbitrator hearing, he withheld witnesses and evidence from Brady. The NFL countered that Goodell was authorized to do whatever he did, regardless of procedures, because the CBA gave him that power.
No contract, CBA or otherwise gives an arbitrator the power to use any means to make a ruling...this is the USA and arbitrators have to follow rules of fairness.
Brennan ruled that Goodell, as the arbitrator cooked the books by denying due process, denying fair discovery of notes and reports. Procedures that would have given Brady a chance to defend himself. Basically, Goodell held a kangaroo court.
The NFL didn't defend the Wells report, they only defended Goodell's CBA power to rule the way he did.

A higher court will only rule whether Brennan's ruling of overturning the arbitrators finding for those reasons was correct, nothing else is involved here.

 

[dabigyear]

The reason the NFL did not go further is because Goodell was only interested in 1) hanging Brady and 2) keeping out the procedures the NFL had in place to test and secure balls would have made them a party to what happened.

People are under the impression that the NFL was looking to get to the truth, Ted Wells was paid $5 million dollars to hang Brady, most of the owners were for it.

I don't know how the season will shape up, but everyone on that team is pissed at everyone not on that team.
The Harbaugh, Pagano, and a bunch of owners are in for a blood letting.

 

[maxmet]

we have a troll AND we have a loser

troll says

"Read Judge Brennan's questions, he asked the NFL attorney, "do you have any direct evidence" and they replied no."

lets go to New England Sports Network reporting the hearing

ttp://nesn.com/2015/08/judge-grills-nfl-lawyer-for-direct-evidence-linking-tom-brady-to-deflation/

that source reports more fully the direct evidence question

Berman: I’m trying to figure out what is the direct evidence that implicates Mr. Brady in that deflation…in that bathroom…on Jan. 18

The judge asked for direct evidence linking Brady to the misconduct. Nothing in the opinion addresses whether there was or was not evidence that the assistants did it. Nothing that I have seen suggests that the judge's no direct evidence was about the assistants. The question was about whether the NFL had direct evidence linking Brady to the misconduct. (By the way, we'll never know since Brady phone is gone) The decision was on procedural grounds and involved no determination of innocence.

So, the troll is simply wrong on this. Pops, go back to New England, working on reading and retaining what you reference. Go home, put on your Brady jersey and walk around town acting as if Brady's win on procedural grounds means that he didnt do it. Wear the jersey as if that makes you a person whose invented facts matter - and do not call me "son."

 

[Jet Fan RI]

we have a troll AND we have a loser

troll says

"Read Judge Brennan's questions, he asked the NFL attorney, "do you have any direct evidence" and they replied no."

lets go to New England Sports Network reporting the hearing

ttp://nesn.com/2015/08/judge-grills-nfl-lawyer-for-direct-evidence-linking-tom-brady-to-deflation/

that source reports more fully the direct evidence question

Berman: I’m trying to figure out what is the direct evidence that implicates Mr. Brady in that deflation…in that bathroom…on Jan. 18

The judge asked for direct evidence linking Brady to the misconduct. Nothing in the opinion addresses whether there was or was not evidence that the assistants did it. Nothing that I have seen suggests that the judge's no direct evidence was about the assistants. The question was about whether the NFL had direct evidence linking Brady to the misconduct. (By the way, we'll never know since Brady phone is gone) The decision was on procedural grounds and involved no determination of innocence.

So, the troll is simply wrong on this. Pops, go back to New England, working on reading and retaining what you reference. Go home, put on your Brady jersey and walk around town acting as if Brady's win on procedural grounds means that he didnt do it. Wear the jersey as if that makes you a person whose invented facts matter - and do not call me "son."

And even with regard to Brady, there is no need for any direct evidence to prove his guilt under the rules. The rules only require a preponderance of evidence to prove the rules were broken. That is the standard stated within the rules themselves. As in even a murder case, eyewitnesses are not required to prove guilt, nor is other direct evidence of the defendant's involvement. And in a murder case, the standard of proof is the much more difficult "beyond a reasonable doubt." Nothing even close to that is required to prove the rules were violated. The evidence foe the guilt of the equipment guys even exceeds the preponderance requirement.

Berman's question suggests he had an agenda. Good chance of being overturned.

 

[dabigyear]

Stop skipping over the fact that Brady was not given a fair trial, Goodell screwed up by illegally stacking the deck against him.

Preponderance only counts if there was a fair hearing, Brennan threw out the legitimacy of the arbitrators hearing and his reasons for doing so are going to stick.

Stop tilting at windmills and stop calling me a troll for backing up a fair hearing, this is not the first time or player Goodell has screwed up. The guy is a $44 million dollar a year idiot and if he keeps doing this the NFL is going to get sued These guys think CBA makes them the Russian Politbureau.

 

[maxmet]

No defense here of the errors in troll's prior posts - we now see a punt in which poppa troll walks away from previously made claims about what the judge, the NFL and the Wells report said about the assistants - which was the topic - and now just takes the ball and kicks it downfield.

But no disagreement here about Goodell - he's a dimdoid, not the right man for the job in my opinion, despite strong praise from some NFL owners

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...-goodell-300m-salary-report-article-1.2092554

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...riendship-with-roger-goodell-could-be-tested/

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...-extend-goodells-contract-through-2018-season

 

[Jet Fan RI]

No defense here of the errors in troll's prior posts - we now see a punt in which poppa troll walks away from previously made claims about what the judge, the NFL and the Wells report said about the assistants - which was the topic - and now just takes the ball and kicks it downfield.

But no disagreement here about Goodell - he's a dimdoid, not the right man for the job in my opinion, despite strong praise from some NFL owners

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...-goodell-300m-salary-report-article-1.2092554

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...riendship-with-roger-goodell-could-be-tested/

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...-extend-goodells-contract-through-2018-season

Can't disagree that Goodell was a dolt here. But it is important to keep in focus the fact that the equipment guys and Brady were proven to have violated the rules to the extent required by the rules themselves, as shown by the Wells report. Berman overreached here by a mile. Plenty of reason to expect an overturn here. even according to Pat fan lawyers.

 

[SackExchange]

Stop skipping over the fact that Brady was not given a fair trial, Goodell screwed up by illegally stacking the deck against him.

Preponderance only counts if there was a fair hearing, Brennan threw out the legitimacy of the arbitrators hearing and his reasons for doing so are going to stick.

Stop tilting at windmills and stop calling me a troll for backing up a fair hearing, this is not the first time or player Goodell has screwed up. The guy is a $44 million dollar a year idiot and if he keeps doing this the NFL is going to get sued These guys think CBA makes them the Russian Politbureau.

All the Patriot talking points in one post. Well done. When will you tell us to kiss the rings, or say "you hate us 'cause you ain't us"?