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Lakerfan80
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The timing wasn't off on that interception, Fitz threw it to the spot that Smith should have caught the pass. He had his man beat but failed to adjust and control position.
Why the love for Devin Smith? Here is why!!
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Yes on that one I think he was manhandled a little to easily by the CB. I was talking about the a few other passes on in routes that Fitz missed him on...
Smith definitely has work to do, no question about it.... But Fitz and him need to get on the same page on those timing routes.....
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flgreen
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Fitz doesn't have is down yet?
It is not the vet QB's job to figure out what a rookie WR is going to do next while a 300 pound DE is trying to rip his head off.
It is the rookie WR's job to run the proper routes. To be where he's supposed to be, when he's supposed to be there. To make the sharp cuts when he's supposed to make them. To at least make the cuts in the right direction.
Fitz doesn't seem to be having major accuracy issues with the other receivers.
Against the Eagles Smith was targeted 9 times, 3 catches. Yesterday he was targeted 6 times caught 2.
Marshall was targeted 11 times, caught 7. Decker was targeted 5 times, caught 4. Stacy was targeted 3 times caught 2. Powell was targeted 1, caught 1.
Smith isn't running the right routes. It's understandable, he didn't have a summer camp, or a mini camp. No veteran QB is going to stand there and wonder what what he's going to do next. After a while the QB is just going to stop throwing to him.
Like I said right now Smith has an excuse. Once Decker gets healthy if he doesn't get the routes down quickly, he won't be getting many balls his way.
He's got two weeks to work on it.
No one is saying Smith ran the wrong route.... His routes looked fine but the timing between Fitz and him look off... They need work together more to clean that up
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flgreen
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No his routes weren't fine. There was one route in the Dolphins end of the field it was very obvious Smith had cut in the wrong direction. Smith ran a down, and to the sideline route, Fitz was clearly expecting him to cut toward the goal line, and he cut toward the sideline just as the ball was released. It was a miracle it wasn't picked. Smith cut the wrong way. The ball came down 90 degrees from where Smith was running. Luckily, no one was there.
Yes they do need time together working on the timing, and routes. That's Smith's job to get it together. Fitz has other receivers to throw to.
No, the argument is that you believe Fitzpatrick is at fault for Smith's lack of production. My argument is everything I have seen on the field, and the reasoning for Smith's lack of production, is a product of the issues he had in college and coming out. That scouting report proves my point. I thought he was a reach that high in the 2nd round. As someone who watched a ton of OSU games, he was mainly effective in the option and reverses, not in the passing game, hence 2 catches a game.
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flgreen
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I mostly agree. The one route that Smith ran at OSU was the fly route. In NCAA he could blow right by DB's. His 4.45 speed isn't going to get it done in the NFL. He needs to get his routes down.
Haven't seen any sign of that yet. Of course he has only played in 2 games with no camp, so there's lots of room for improvement if he works hard.
We'll see how hard he is going to work.
I saw three plays with Smith Wide open and Fityz missed him badly.... You pick one play where he got bullied off the ball, and I agree with you on that one, but the fact is he was open and Fitz missed him.... My point is they need to work together more to get on the same page..
I'm sorry your scouting report hold true for that one play..... The others it does not... Smith is open.. Fitz has missed him either with bad throws or he didn't get to the progression, which is understandable, due to pressure or he deciding to make a throw early in his reads... Argue with me all you want... It's the QBs job to find the open guy and Smith has been open.
I am not the only one that see's Smith open.
https://twitter.com/TurnOnTheJets/status/651150054963544064
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flgreen
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I posted the targets and catches above to the other receivers. Why do you think it is that Fitz isn't missing the other receivers badly? Could it just be that Smith is lost out there, and in the wrong place, at the wrong time frequently?
Your premise that a veteran QB has to adjust to a rookies mistakes just isn't the way the NFL works. He has other options out there, that are where they are supposed to be. If Smith keeps on running bad routes, the QB will just stop throwing to him rather then risk bad interceptions. Once Decker is healthy I suspect Smith will receive less reps until he gets in sinc with Fitz, not the other way around.
Caporoso runs a blog. Where as he does a nice job breaking down "cherry picked" plays to press his agenda, he really has no more insight on the game then some of the good posters we have here.
I get he cherry picks plays but when I am talking about 3 specific plays where Fitz misses an open Smith....That is my agenda... Smith Open Fitz misseed him
and here is the video from Caporoso supporting that statement. So how am I wrong in my simple POV.
https://twitter.com/TurnOnTheJets/status/651441851719884801
https://twitter.com/TurnOnTheJets/status/651440036244783104
So two videos showing the bad throws to an open Smith.... That's my argument...Please show me Smiths Scouting report again so I can understand why Fitz misses a wide open smith.
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flgreen
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With 90% of QB's, that don't have a history of it, and Fitz doesn't, if you see a QB throw a ball where the nearest guy is a rookie WR, bet the bank on it, the rookie ran the wrong route.
And please explain to me why fitz isn't missing the other receivers so badly. Smith didn't run many patterns in college. Seems to be a pattern.
AS I have argued they need to get on the same page timing wise... Sorry my opinion is if the WR is open the Qb needs to hit him.
I think we arguing the same point.... Fitz and Smith need to get on the same page. You put more of the blame on Smith and I put more of it on Fitz... Either way they need to get their timing down cause plays are being missed.
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Lakerfan80
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Smith needs to learn he won't beat guys by 20 yards down the field in the pros and the ball won't be in the air for him to run under it, untouched into the endzone.
Those videos are snippets and do not show the whole play
Play 1---That is a timing pattern. To me, that looks like smith was supposed to hook out, not in. Fitz throws that ball when his is out of his break.
Play 2---Fitz was pushed out of the pocket. Devin Smith needs to sit in space there, not keep going with his route.
Not sure why Kerley comes in off the bench cold, and has chemistry with Fitz. Marshall and Decker have no issues.
To ultimately state that Fitz needs to adjust to smith is ridiculous. I doubt you will find one coach that will state a vet qb needs to adjust to a 2nd round receiver
I think their timing is off. It happens when a qb didnt practice with a WR all year long and then that WR is thrusted into the lineup.
There was a play where Devin Smith was wide open. With no one in his area within five yards, Fitz missed badly. That was on Fitz.
I think it's a bit on both of them and i hope with the bye week they get on the same page.
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Lakerfan80
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Kerley came into game 3 and was able to connect with Fitz and so will Smith when he becomes a pro receiver.
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Lakerfan80
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We are going to see a long strike from these two, the good thing is Fitz is targeting him. Both players are working hard at this in practice I'm sure.
I feel there should be no blame to neither. Fitz and Smith have absolutley no chemistry between them as they havent practiced at all during training camp. Fitz had the luxury to get into the flow early in TC due to "THE PUNCH" and get the timing down with Deck, Marshall, Enunwa, Kerely & even a speedster like Owusu.
The Speed that Devin Smith provides is tricky. The kid is a rook. His routes will not be crisp like the aforementioned guys. Even guys who have been in the league 1 year. It's a different timing to get into with a QB. Especially an average QB like Fitz.
IMHO, the bye week could not have come better. I'am sure Fitz, as a veteran he is will work diligently with Devin to get everything down pact. Fitz knows Smith provides a dimension to this offense that absolutely cannot be passed up. His speed can bring points on the board.
Let's not forget the coaches that are responsible for Devin's progress. They have two weeks worth of his play in the NFL. Yes, thats not alot but it can provide some sort baby steps in the right direction to help him get into the groove of working with Ryan.
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