Thanks 39, I appreciate that.
The Ultimate Question on Ryan Fitzpatrick
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You can ask Dan Marino too -- doesn't change the fact that some QBs are able to "take the team on their back", and I don't believe Fitz is in that discussion . . .
I was a part of all those threads, and IMO people were predicting those records because of a DOMINATING defense, which I would argue never materialized.
If you guys thought Fitz would "lead" us to 10+ wins based simply on his awesomeness, kudos to you. But TBH, if that's the case you should have predicted even more, as we would have a WAY better record right now if our defense played like we thought it would in each of our losses . . .
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Certainly all valid points, but I don't think anyone, then, or now is arguing that Fitz is a candidate for G O A T. There are very few QB's in the NFL who can carry a bad team on their backs week in and week out, and win. Even, as pointed out, some of the great ones, Manning, (who played with awful teams) or Marino, (who's teams were competitive but not great teams) couldn't carry teams on their backs, and win championships.
What people are arguing for is that even with his limitations Fitz was a major improvement over what the alternative was. And still is probably for next season also. Barring a totally unforeseen development.
With the level of play that Fitz had this season, which he also displayed last season on a bad team, if the Jets, as a team had played with more consistency, they could have won 12-13 games this year..
What people are reacting to is the portrayal of Fitzpatrick as the worst QB is the NFL, as the Jets previous QB was. The insistence that he wasn't a catalyst to any success the team has had, or that he is going to be a horrible QB moving forward.. Fitzpatrick has seemingly been improving as time has gone by. IMO he has learned to use his knowledge of the game over his flawed tools. That makes him a better then average QB moving forward. And the best option for the immediate future until the "Golden Boy" appears.
In answer to the theme of the thread Yes, IMO, the Jets can win a Championship with Fitz as the QB.
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as far as the defense is concerned you'll get no argument out of me that i thought it would have been dominate, not good..
but predicting a 4 win team winning as many as 11 is still saying you feel confident in fitzpatrick "leading" the team.. should i have predicted 14+ wins?? i guess i could have but 11 was my ceiling, 12 if everything went right..
bottom line for me is i was confident fitzpatrick was the right choice to be the week 1 starter because he gave us a chance for a playoff run..
yes, fitzpatrick has played even better than i envisioned but not shockingly so.. anyone "shocked" at how well he's played never believed in him in the first place & that's fine..
again, i believed & so did others here as well..
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Silverman: Used To Changing Perceptions, Fitzpatrick Is Now Exceeding Expectations
December 18, 2015 9:57 AM
Filed Under: New York Jets, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Steve Silverman
Ryan Fitzpatrick
By Steve Silverman
Ryan Fitzpatrick has gotten hot at the right time of year, and he has found a formula that is successful for any quarterback.
Fitzpatrick is taking care of the football, having success in the red zone and conveying confidence when he looks around the New York Jets’ huddle.
The numbers are enough to make even the most skeptical observer take notice of his ability to lead the Jets at the most critical time of the year. After nearly all Jets fans (and coaches) had been driven to maximum angst following a 24-17 loss to the Houston Texans in Week 11, Fitzpatrick has led the Jets to three straight wins over the Dolphins, Giants and Titans.
FITZPATRICK TAKES HOME OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK AWARD
During those three games, Fitzpatrick has completed 79 of 123 passes, averaged 310 passing yards and thrown nine TD passes. He has not thrown an interception, and his avoidance of those costly turnovers is the difference in his game from past seasons.
Throughout his career, Fitzpatrick has been something of an enigma because of his Harvard background. Ivy Leaguers are not supposed to make it in the NFL, and whenever they do, it’s a shock to the system. Especially at the quarterback position. A guy who played his college ball for the Crimson is supposed to make his living without putting his cranium at risk, right?
If anything, that’s been the most head-scratching aspect of Fitzpatrick’s career. He does not play the game in a very studious way. He will take off from the pocket without a moment’s hesitation and he is not afraid to put his body — and therefore his brain — at risk by taking a big hit if he thinks it will get his team a first down or touchdown.
It may not compute, but that has been his MO throughout his career. He has played that way since he started playing regularly in 2008 (with the Cincinnati Bengals), even though most expect Mr. Ivy League to stand in the pocket and get rid of it.
The other key aspect of Fitzpatrick’s game has been his accuracy. He has completed 60 percent of his passes in every season since 2011.
Fitzpatrick does understand that he has limitations, and so does Jets offensive coordinator Chan Gailey. Fitzpatrick is at his best when he is throwing short- and medium-range passes, because that allows him to get rid of the ball quickly and on time.
He has not been asked to throw the deep ball with regularity. He will push it hard downfield on occasion, but more to get the defense’s attention and show that he can stretch the field. That keeps the defense from playing lockdown on the Jets’ receivers, and that’s important because they are so dependent on the screen-pass game with running backs Chris Ivory and Bilal Powell.
Fitzpatrick has won over head coach Todd Bowles.
“I think he’s doing things a lot better,” Bowles said. “I think he’s a lot calmer. I think he’s not trying to win games by himself, mainly.”
Fitzpatrick has gotten the protection he needs from his offensive line, and that has enabled him to go find Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker with regularity.
Marshall is a No. 1 receiver with all the physical tools needed to command the attention of opposing defensive coordinators. While he is not always productive, he has done enough with 89 reception, 1,187 yards and 11 touchdowns to give the Jets a good return on their investment.
Decker has been sensational in his role as the No. 2 receiver. He has 14 receptions of 20 yards or more, and that’s the same number of long plays as Marshall. Decker has caught 66 passes for 875 yards and nine touchdowns, and his ability to get free in the red zone has been a revelation.
Unlike past editions of the team, the Jets have been tough to figure out from an offensive game-plan perspective. That’s because Ivory has run the ball with a fervor and Fitzpatrick has executed so well in Gailey’s attack.
Fitzpatrick has regularly been a quarterback who exceeds perception, but now he has become a quarterback who can win at the most important time of the year.
He should not have a problem this week against the injured and woe-is-me Dallas Cowboys, but the final exam will come the last two weeks of the season against the Patriots and the Bills.
The Harvard quarterback is as prepared as he has ever been to bring home an honor-roll grade in those two games and help his team get to the promised land of the postseason.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/12/18/ryan-fitzpatrick-jets-todd-bowles/
December 18, 2015 9:57 AM
Filed Under: New York Jets, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Steve Silverman
Ryan Fitzpatrick
By Steve Silverman
Ryan Fitzpatrick has gotten hot at the right time of year, and he has found a formula that is successful for any quarterback.
Fitzpatrick is taking care of the football, having success in the red zone and conveying confidence when he looks around the New York Jets’ huddle.
The numbers are enough to make even the most skeptical observer take notice of his ability to lead the Jets at the most critical time of the year. After nearly all Jets fans (and coaches) had been driven to maximum angst following a 24-17 loss to the Houston Texans in Week 11, Fitzpatrick has led the Jets to three straight wins over the Dolphins, Giants and Titans.
FITZPATRICK TAKES HOME OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK AWARD
During those three games, Fitzpatrick has completed 79 of 123 passes, averaged 310 passing yards and thrown nine TD passes. He has not thrown an interception, and his avoidance of those costly turnovers is the difference in his game from past seasons.
Throughout his career, Fitzpatrick has been something of an enigma because of his Harvard background. Ivy Leaguers are not supposed to make it in the NFL, and whenever they do, it’s a shock to the system. Especially at the quarterback position. A guy who played his college ball for the Crimson is supposed to make his living without putting his cranium at risk, right?
If anything, that’s been the most head-scratching aspect of Fitzpatrick’s career. He does not play the game in a very studious way. He will take off from the pocket without a moment’s hesitation and he is not afraid to put his body — and therefore his brain — at risk by taking a big hit if he thinks it will get his team a first down or touchdown.
It may not compute, but that has been his MO throughout his career. He has played that way since he started playing regularly in 2008 (with the Cincinnati Bengals), even though most expect Mr. Ivy League to stand in the pocket and get rid of it.
The other key aspect of Fitzpatrick’s game has been his accuracy. He has completed 60 percent of his passes in every season since 2011.
Fitzpatrick does understand that he has limitations, and so does Jets offensive coordinator Chan Gailey. Fitzpatrick is at his best when he is throwing short- and medium-range passes, because that allows him to get rid of the ball quickly and on time.
He has not been asked to throw the deep ball with regularity. He will push it hard downfield on occasion, but more to get the defense’s attention and show that he can stretch the field. That keeps the defense from playing lockdown on the Jets’ receivers, and that’s important because they are so dependent on the screen-pass game with running backs Chris Ivory and Bilal Powell.
Fitzpatrick has won over head coach Todd Bowles.
“I think he’s doing things a lot better,” Bowles said. “I think he’s a lot calmer. I think he’s not trying to win games by himself, mainly.”
Fitzpatrick has gotten the protection he needs from his offensive line, and that has enabled him to go find Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker with regularity.
Marshall is a No. 1 receiver with all the physical tools needed to command the attention of opposing defensive coordinators. While he is not always productive, he has done enough with 89 reception, 1,187 yards and 11 touchdowns to give the Jets a good return on their investment.
Decker has been sensational in his role as the No. 2 receiver. He has 14 receptions of 20 yards or more, and that’s the same number of long plays as Marshall. Decker has caught 66 passes for 875 yards and nine touchdowns, and his ability to get free in the red zone has been a revelation.
Unlike past editions of the team, the Jets have been tough to figure out from an offensive game-plan perspective. That’s because Ivory has run the ball with a fervor and Fitzpatrick has executed so well in Gailey’s attack.
Fitzpatrick has regularly been a quarterback who exceeds perception, but now he has become a quarterback who can win at the most important time of the year.
He should not have a problem this week against the injured and woe-is-me Dallas Cowboys, but the final exam will come the last two weeks of the season against the Patriots and the Bills.
The Harvard quarterback is as prepared as he has ever been to bring home an honor-roll grade in those two games and help his team get to the promised land of the postseason.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/12/18/ryan-fitzpatrick-jets-todd-bowles/
Perhaps shocked is a strong word, but I have no problem admitting I didn't think Fitz would be a QB that would actually CONTRIBUTE to a win (as opposed to not being the reason for a loss). IMO everything in his prior history pointed to self-destruction whenever he tried to do more than "manage the game". That's all I expected him to do, and thought that was all he NEEDED to do, since our defense was supposedly elite.
For whatever reason, he's been carrying the defense more than they've been carrying him. It's been fun to watch, but I don't know how far we can ultimately get if the roles don't reverse soon . . .
My opinion in pre season was that those on this board pissing on Fitz and citing his int numbers, didn't really understand him. As soon as the first rumor turned, I was excited, not because he's Montana, but because he was in the right place right time. He was old enough to know his flaws and young enough to fill in a couple years if needed. He was a very smart pickup.
My pre season prediction was with caveat. Our defense is a huge disappointment thus far when considering the talent, veteran wisdom, and balance we have. I do however, respect that chemistry must be allowed to brew before any unit learns what it's capable of.
I thought with our super week schedule we had a high side of 12 wins and the wild card, and a low side of 9 wins fighting for the playoffs. That's a huge gap, but I still feel it was an honest and realistic prediction.
When you pile up free agents, you usually have a bad year. We've done well, but I credit our breaking the mold, to the fact that Revis and cro were really already jets.
I'm really seeing this team mature. QBs don't win championships, teams do. My fear is that we get just enough wins to miss the playoffs and have a bad draft position. I also feel happy for Fitz, and yet sad because I fear he had finally found his home and might be gone next year.
If we can manage to sign Brees, we have to. Which would mean Fitz would be too expensive to be a backup. I'd love Brees, Fitz, petty to be our depth chart, we could lose our starter to the flu, and not miss a beat. But with this team structured to win now while compiling depth through the draft, a Brees move would make sense for him and us.
We are a top 10 offense, with a good veteran line, a solid d, targets in Marshall, decker, kerley, Amaro, Powell, Enunwa, ivory,smith? . And a good spot in the draft to get a stud on the o line. (Mid round)
When courting a rare qb talent, he needs to see those things in place, that's why Manning never looked at us on his way to Denver.
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From August, Elias really needs to unlock the prediction thread.
This is a team sport. Fitz play meshes into our game plan. I don't think he will Crack the top 10qb mark, even if he has a breakout year. But I think he is capable of sustaining drives, executing the game plan, and keeping our d fresh and off the field.
This year's plan was to give geno every chance to succeed in order to find out if he has a future with jets, sink or swim. Fitz was considered a capable starter, and now we are forced into the switch. But we are switching to Fitz, a guy who this management team always considered a capable qb. His numbers aren't great, but he's been on shitty talentless teams. Titans? In Houston, he started to rip it up last year until breaking his leg. He now has the most complete team around him, he's ever had. He's old enough to be wise, but also has lost some down the field accuracy. He can be a crutch until geno recovers, petty is developed, or another qb is drafted. Fitz has football left in him.
My prediction is that in however many games he ultimately starts, he will be middle of the road. Which would be a huge improvement over what we've had the last 5 years. He will have a 2-1 td-int ratio, and can be a good game manager for us.
I predict by week 5, he will have 12td-7int and have 3 or more wins.
.....actual- by week 5, 3-1 record including that terrible Philly game. Fitz had 2 tds and 1 int in each game except Philly when he was playing desperate at the end and had 1int because Devin smith sucked so bad.
So far Fitz has 25tds/11 ints or 0.85 ints per game. He is ranked 7 among qbs this year in qbr, and the Jets are ranked 10 in offense, 1 in run defense by 5ypg more than number 2, and number 5 in defense by the nfl.
This is a team sport. Fitz play meshes into our game plan. I don't think he will Crack the top 10qb mark, even if he has a breakout year. But I think he is capable of sustaining drives, executing the game plan, and keeping our d fresh and off the field.
This year's plan was to give geno every chance to succeed in order to find out if he has a future with jets, sink or swim. Fitz was considered a capable starter, and now we are forced into the switch. But we are switching to Fitz, a guy who this management team always considered a capable qb. His numbers aren't great, but he's been on shitty talentless teams. Titans? In Houston, he started to rip it up last year until breaking his leg. He now has the most complete team around him, he's ever had. He's old enough to be wise, but also has lost some down the field accuracy. He can be a crutch until geno recovers, petty is developed, or another qb is drafted. Fitz has football left in him.
My prediction is that in however many games he ultimately starts, he will be middle of the road. Which would be a huge improvement over what we've had the last 5 years. He will have a 2-1 td-int ratio, and can be a good game manager for us.
I predict by week 5, he will have 12td-7int and have 3 or more wins.
.....actual- by week 5, 3-1 record including that terrible Philly game. Fitz had 2 tds and 1 int in each game except Philly when he was playing desperate at the end and had 1int because Devin smith sucked so bad.
So far Fitz has 25tds/11 ints or 0.85 ints per game. He is ranked 7 among qbs this year in qbr, and the Jets are ranked 10 in offense, 1 in run defense by 5ypg more than number 2, and number 5 in defense by the nfl.
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