Coples: Evaluate Him

[Old#15]

Coples like many others on this team will thankfully be looked at through a different prism. I have seen enough dominant flashes of Coples to be hopeful that Bowles and co. will get a lot more consistency from him.

 

[Elias]

Coples is always just a second too late from getting to the qb. If he had good CB play that can extend the play a bit, he will be able to get an extra two or three sacks. He's a good player but I do admit he doesn't show up on every play. We messed him up this year. I think we had him out there at CB to bump Calvin Johnson at the line. That's not how you treat a LB. Rex had no idea how to use him, struck out on his idea and then toyed with other ideas. Poor Coples.

 

[cysporsche]

My re-vamped 4-2-5 defense:

DE- Coples (lose 10 pounds for speed)
DT - Wilkerson (Gain 10 pounds for bulk)
DT - Snacks (lose 10 pounds for 300-310 range)
DE - Richardson

LB - Houston Best FA LB available with the Chiefs
LB - Davis

CB - Milliner
CB - Davon House Going to be a great CB. He's a FA with the Packers
SCB - McDougle or Williams
SS - Pryor
FS - Cromartie I think Cro would play great as a CF in a strong 5 man outfield.

Sign Houston, House & Cromartie to complete or D and use our 6 draft picks on offense.

Go Jets...Cyborg

 

[soj]

Have to agree. When Rex is your coach, whatever your particular skill set happens to be is ignored in order to squeeze, wedge and hacksaw you into one of the 11 preset and unchangeable fixed positions of his father's 1980s defense.

OK, Q...you are now an outside 46 defense linebacker

You, Prior...you are a 46 defense safety

You, Allen...you're now a very slow CB, a position you never played

Your skills don't fit....no problem..change them all .

Change Pop's defense to fit current player skills?? Impossible and all that stuff!

Hopefully we now have a head coach and DC who will do the impossible and tailor his defense to fit his players...

I LOL reading this ... but its so true. The D became predicable even with his highness calling the plays....


I like to see them light a fire under Mr C ass [/U]so he can be better then he is...

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Underachiever.

Good Player who occasionally makes jaw-dropping impact plays, but he has all of the tools to consistently dominate.

It can still happen for him, but I get the feeling he's content to be a "good player" and get paid well. The dominant players usually have all of the physical tools to be great, as Coples does, but they also have a burning desire to be great, even if its their own ego that motivates them, but Coples is a laid-back guy who doesn't strike me as having a real passion for the game, I get the feeling he's content to be good. I hope Bowles can change that about him, but its hard to change a persons nature, this was the knock on him coming out of college too.

That said, he's still one of the best players on the team just on talent alone, he's still one of the few guys on defense who can "wreck the game" and occasionally he does make impact plays, so I'd like to keep him.

That's an interesting theory. You may be right.

I do question how much Coples loves football. He's too athletic and imposing to put up such average stats. I think he has the talent to dominate in the right defense. I hope Bowles has the right system for him. I see him as a rotational d-lineman in the Sons of Anarchy.

 

[rxd]

I think way too often fans want to blame coaches for players that don't work out.

If we had a better OC Geno would be great. If we had a better HC Couples would be great. If we had a better receiving coach our draft picks would have played better. Whatever. I think most professional coaches know what they are doing. Most of the time players that don't work out just don't have it. Between all the scouting and film and workouts and combines players that are drafted into the NFL are all physically talented enough to play there. But most don't make it.

You can't coach desire. You can't coach instincts. You can't coach anticipation and being able to see the play immediately and react accordingly. A player has it or they don't most of the time...

 

[Machina Verde]

I think way too often fans want to blame coaches for players that don't work out.

If we had a better OC Geno would be great. If we had a better HC Couples would be great. If we had a better receiving coach our draft picks would have played better. Whatever. I think most professional coaches know what they are doing. Most of the time players that don't work out just don't have it. Between all the scouting and film and workouts and combines players that are drafted into the NFL are all physically talented enough to play there. But most don't make it.

You can't coach desire. You can't coach instincts. You can't coach anticipation and being able to see the play immediately and react accordingly. A player has it or they don't most of the time...

hey welcome the the group, nice to have you hear and solid first post. I agree, there are the intangible assets a player has and being able to spot those are what separate a scouting/evaluation team from the herd. I am anxious to see what this new regime can accomplish this year.

 

[Old#15]

I also think that the great coaches are the ones who are able play to the strengths of the players and not necessarily vice versa. Rex played to what he knew and that was his scheme regardless of what a player's qualities dictated.

 

[NickSINYC]

I also think that the great coaches are the ones who are able play to the strengths of the players and not necessarily vice versa. Rex played to what he knew and that was his scheme regardless of what a player's qualities dictated.

Exactly Rex plugged players into his scheme whether they belong there or not. A great coach devises a scheme that is best for the players

 

[Football51]

Exactly Rex plugged players into his scheme whether they belong there or not. A great coach devises a scheme that is best for the players

Agreed. You can't draft a DE/DT and put him at olb and be disappointed that he's not producing much. You also can't put a 6'5 290 lb lineman out wide to jam wr's because you're just too stubborn to play cover 2.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I'm done watching these DE/OLB conversion experiments. I hate hearing words like tweener during the draft, and players playing different positions in the NFL than what they played in college. The only exception to this might be a guy like Scherff being moved to guard from tackle. That transition is actually easier and more realistic.

 

[NickSINYC]

I'm done watching these DE/OLB conversion experiments. I hate hearing words like tweener during the draft, and players playing different positions in the NFL than what they played in college. The only exception to this might be a guy like Scherff being moved to guard from tackle. That transition is actually easier and more realistic.

I don't mind drafting a college CB an projecting him to safety either

 

[jetfandreamer]

How stupid was it wasting a draft pick on this guy Campbell..an overweight out of shape Dl and trying to make him an OL ???

 

[jetfandreamer]

How stupid was it wasting a draft pick on this guy Campbell..an overweight out of shape Dl and trying to make him an OL ??? I know the draft gets to be crapshoot...but at least draft a guy that will play his position and not a project..

.just for S & G's.......look at players drafted after William Campbell the overweight prospect from Michigan....LataVIUS MURRAY, MICHEL RIVERA (Starting TE Oakland) Andre Ellington....(Starting Rb Arizona) Bacarri Rambo (Starting Safety) Chris Jones (Cut by Texans signed by NE..Jet fans know him) Armonty Bryant (Starting DE CLeveland) Sam Barrington (LB GB) and a cpl others....these players may have needed a little time to develop but they are at their own positions and making contributions... SHEESH

 

[Football51]

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