An indictment of Gailey and the QB Coach

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Mainejet

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This hasn't gotten enough attention in the press and/or sport talk shows. Petty could not read defenses or learn to get rid of the ball after 2 years with the Jets! What the hell have Gailey and QB coach Patullo been doing for 2 years!!?? I get that Petty played in a vastly different system, but college freshman can learn a pro offense and excel immediately! My evidence, you may ask? Christian Hackenberg! He excelled as a freshman under Bill O'Brien. Speaking of Hack and the coaches, are you aware of the grand plan for him? In his 'redshirt" year, he would be taught the mental aspects of the game. Then in the *coming* offseason, the Jets would work on his mechanics!!! What, both of these things could not be done LAST offseason??? You can't make this stuff up. I'm so sick of this incompetence.

That's a good point. I really hadn't thought of that? Bottom line is Petty will be out of football before too long if he keeps on taking those hits. The CS doesn't seem to have a clue either? Hopefully, the entire CS gets shitcanned and Mac can bring in a decent experienced HC, one that will put Petty is the best position he needs to succeed. Bowles is not that guy...
 

mykcuz

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This hasn't gotten enough attention in the press and/or sport talk shows. Petty could not read defenses or learn to get rid of the ball after 2 years with the Jets! What the hell have Gailey and QB coach Patullo been doing for 2 years!!?? I get that Petty played in a vastly different system, but college freshman can learn a pro offense and excel immediately! My evidence, you may ask? Christian Hackenberg! He excelled as a freshman under Bill O'Brien. Speaking of Hack and the coaches, are you aware of the grand plan for him? In his 'redshirt" year, he would be taught the mental aspects of the game. Then in the *coming* offseason, the Jets would work on his mechanics!!! What, both of these things could not be done LAST offseason??? You can't make this stuff up. I'm so sick of this incompetence.
"The red-shirt year has been the plan from Day 1," the rookie quarterback said Wednesday.

Hack said he's been working on mental part of game the whole time and is getting the scout team reps.

Honestly, I'm glad that we have a prototypical qb, who we know can grasp the pro system, and we invested serious development into him,instead of hoping for a flash in the pan season finale. As the 4th qb on the depth chart, they could do a deep coaching plan with him.


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Namath12

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"The red-shirt year has been the plan from Day 1," the rookie quarterback said Wednesday.

Hack said he's been working on mental part of game the whole time and is getting the scout team reps.

You made my point. The focus this year was on the mental part of the game *only." I'm not saying that the mental game should not have been *a* focus. My point is that the offensive coaches purposely left working on his mechanics until *next* offseason. I'd like to know why both aspects could not have been taught *this* year. High school kids have 8 different subjects a day. College students take 4 or 5 different courses each semester. Even medical students and law students take more than 1 course each semester. Why are the Jets the only organization that can teach only 1 subject at a time? Why couldn't there be periods when mechanics were studied as well as those during which mental aspects were studied? I get that during the season, more time needs to be spent with those expected to play. However, what about during *last* offseason? The Jets could not give Hack some drills to work on to improve his mechanics?

In addition, it has been stated by many people in many places, including this forum, that Hack's feel for the pro game and his mental acuity both rate very highly. It has also been stated unanimously that his mechanics got out of whack when his coach changed and he had to run for his life behind a weak line at Penn St.. So does it make sense to exclusively work on the mental game? Only to the Jets.

Here's an analogy. A golfer goes to a golf instructor and tells him that he drives the ball 280 yards down the middle every time, but 4-putts every green. So the instructor says, "O.K. Let's work on your driving."
 

Elias

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"The red-shirt year has been the plan from Day 1," the rookie quarterback said Wednesday.

Hack said he's been working on mental part of game the whole time and is getting the scout team reps.

You made my point. The focus this year was on the mental part of the game *only." I'm not saying that the mental game should not have been *a* focus. My point is that the offensive coaches purposely left working on his mechanics until *next* offseason. I'd like to know why both aspects could not have been taught *this* year. High school kids have 8 different subjects a day. College students take 4 or 5 different courses each semester. Even medical students and law students take more than 1 course each semester. Why are the Jets the only organization that can teach only 1 subject at a time? Why couldn't there be periods when mechanics were studied as well as those during which mental aspects were studied? I get that during the season, more time needs to be spent with those expected to play. However, what about during *last* offseason? The Jets could not give Hack some drills to work on to improve his mechanics?

In addition, it has been stated by many people in many places, including this forum, that Hack's feel for the pro game and his mental acuity both rate very highly. It has also been stated unanimously that his mechanics got out of whack when his coach changed and he had to run for his life behind a weak line at Penn St.. So does it make sense to exclusively work on the mental game? Only to the Jets.

Here's an analogy. A golfer goes to a golf instructor and tells him that he drives the ball 280 yards down the middle every time, but 4-putts every green. So the instructor says, "O.K. Let's work on your driving."

these are great questions that only a Jets coach/front office can answer. I hope we at least get an answer to figure this out. There's no reason for Gailey not to hire a QB guru to work with Hack the entire season.

Having said that, maybe fixing mechanics is not too hard of a thing to fix so they didn't care to fix it until next season. If you watch the video that USANYJ posted, the video person talked about Hack's mechanics. He had great footwork under center buy when Penn State switched to Franklin's offense it was more of a Pistol/shotgun focus and Hack's footwork got lazy. you just have to undo that bad behavior. When discussing his footwork the person in the video alludes to Hack's terrible footwork and acknowledges that it needs to be fixed but he mentioned it can be fixed before the draft and that that would make him a first round worthy selection. He also mentioned that Winston needed help on his footwork and he worked on it prior to the draft and teams were confident to take him at #1.

I hope we are blowing this footwork thing out of proportion. Yes it affects accuracy and should be addressed but over the years, our issue with our young qbs was that they were dumb as rocks and can't read a defense. Hack has had success at the college level at reading a defense and now has sat one year taking in the pro game.
 

mykcuz

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these are great questions that only a Jets coach/front office can answer. I hope we at least get an answer to figure this out. There's no reason for Gailey not to hire a QB guru to work with Hack the entire season.

Having said that, maybe fixing mechanics is not too hard of a thing to fix so they didn't care to fix it until next season. If you watch the video that USANYJ posted, the video person talked about Hack's mechanics. He had great footwork under center buy when Penn State switched to Franklin's offense it was more of a Pistol/shotgun focus and Hack's footwork got lazy. you just have to undo that bad behavior. When discussing his footwork the person in the video alludes to Hack's terrible footwork and acknowledges that it needs to be fixed but he mentioned it can be fixed before the draft and that that would make him a first round worthy selection. He also mentioned that Winston needed help on his footwork and he worked on it prior to the draft and teams were confident to take him at #1.

I hope we are blowing this footwork thing out of proportion. Yes it affects accuracy and should be addressed but over the years, our issue with our young qbs were they were dumb as rocks and can't read a defense. Hack has had success at the college level at reading a defense and now has sat one year taking in the pro game.
Agree, we ate a bunch of fans trying to simplify and micromanage. The truth is nothing matters in mac's first 3 years other than acquiring young talent.

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gastineau

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Ive said this on another post, why cant Jets OC bring in a good QB Coach? This has been an issue for a very long time. 2 years our QB's should know more than what they have shown. Sanchez never advanced & learned not to telegraph his passes & it became a bad habit along with his "tells" that Defenses read.
 

Elias

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Ive said this on another post, why cant Jets OC bring in a good QB Coach? This has been an issue for a very long time. 2 years our QB's should know more than what they have shown. Sanchez never advanced & learned not to telegraph his passes & it became a bad habit along with his "tells" that Defenses read.

A lot of the times it depends on the players. I'm sure Gailey knows as much as any other offensive coordinator but if the players stink there's only so much he can do.
 

gastineau

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Far as Mikey as GM, He was a good Defense Scout & Just being a scout & being able to see & know talent is why I wanted him as GM. So far ,other than Williams a obvious pick he has been awful Drafting very high risky Project picks when Jets needs starters now & not 2-4 years developing. Very disappointed with his last Draft, waste of picks with little help now. Makes me wonder if Mikey doesnt work looking at his Picks & instead trusts Jets scouts who have been awful for many years getting suckered by other scouts hyping picks to see if Jets will fall for it. Geno-Hackenburg-Gholston are good examples of Jets GM's getting fooled.
 

gastineau

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A lot of the times it depends on the players. I'm sure Gailey knows as much as any other offensive coordinator but if the players stink there's only so much he can do.

So who stinks on Offense other than QB's that Gailey & his QB coach are responsible for? 3 top WR's & 2 good RB's with an aging O Line thats still solid. Only Position I'm not sdure is TE & that again is Gaileys Schemes not using them last year & this year.
 

Elias

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So who stinks on Offense other than QB's that Gailey & his QB coach are responsible for? 3 top WR's & 2 good RB's with an aging O Line thats still solid. Only Position I'm not sdure is TE & that again is Gaileys Schemes not using them last year & this year.

you were talking about the lack of an development and blamed our offensive coordinators and qb coach. I mentioned that maybe they didn't have the talent to work with.

i agree that our offense is solid. We just need to rebuild the offensive line and get a decent TE and QB and we can be competitive again on offense. Gailey didn't just forget how to coach. He was a good addition last year.
 
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