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Get over it. O'Brien was an excellent choice. The front office never put enough weapons around O'Brien. You should be blaming the front office. BTW, does Marino have rings?
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Get over it. O'Brien was an excellent choice. The front office never put enough weapons around O'Brien. You should be blaming the front office. BTW, does Marino have rings?
You cannot be serious. In my opinion (and everyone else's but yours), O'Brien was a good NFL qb, but not in Marino's league. By the way, there *were* excellent players on the Jets during the O'Brien era. How do Freeman McNeil, Al Toon, and Wesley Walker grab you? How about Klecko and Gastineau on defense? If we had had Marino, we would have won a Super Bowl. By the way, I suppose that Trent Dilfer was better than Marino? After all, Dilfer has a ring. I know that you're an intelligent guy, but sometimes you slay me. And, yes, I know that you are entitled to your opinions. What I really don't get is why you picked an argument with me when I am agreeing with one of your pet peeves: a lack of confidence in the person making our drat decisions.
One thing to remember is 4 QBs were taken before both of them and 2 were worse than O'Brien
Yeah he had no offensive line.. guy was killed. MArino wouldn't have been Marino with that OL if we drafted him
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Having Marino would never have made a difference. And yes, O'Brien was never in Marino's league, but we didn't need Marino to win. We could have won with the compliment of players that team had. Kenny O'Brien is still the very best QB this organization has ever had as far as I am concerned. The problem was there was always something happening to the team that the FO never knew how to handle. Like the barrage of injuries that happened to that team in the 1985, 1986 season. They lost EVERY week. They were going down like flies and yet they remained a JUGGERNAUT. Went 10-1 through the first 11 of that season. Annihilated the Broncos (the eventual AFC Champions) in a Monday night game I was watching. Went into halftime up 24-0.
But the injuries, eventually, caught up with them. Joe Walton was left scratching his head and trying to figure out what to do when injuries hit the team the way they did the Jets.
But honestly, it shouldn't have been that hard? Remember the landscape was different back then. No salary cap or revenue sharing. That Jets team had stockpiled quite a bit of talent. That team had Pat Ryan as their backup. Pat Ryan to this day is still one of the best backup QB's I have ever seen?
The CS could never keep Gastineau from being an idiot and doing something stupid?
My point is, they always had enough talent to work with, and O'Brien despite not being as good as Marino, was still very good. He held his own each and every time those shootouts between Marino and O'Brien went down. O'Brien went to the pro bowl a few times. That team didn't need Marino IMO and looking back I really don't care that they didn't.
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EXACTLY, if there was one big weakness that the front office ignored the most it was the OL. O'Brien NEVER had the kind of protection Marino had in Miami. It was a joke how bad the OL was in front of O'Brien. Remember when Andre Tippett picked up O'Brien and slammed him in the turf at the Meadowlands during the wild card game? That was a VICIOUS hit and Marino never had to endure that kind of incompetence in front of him.
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AGREED. It was such an emotional roller coaster to watch the Jets that season? As a young fan, I still hadn't learned to anticipate bad things coming from this team. I wore my emotions on my shirt sleeve. For that team to go through such a horrible losing streak like I've have never seen before or after and have the Browns FINISHED In Cleveland? I was very emotional because I thought they had won it? I thought it was all academic. Then Gastineau that idiot had to go and commit that cheap shot on Bernie Kosar. I was distraught for weeks afterward.
It amazes me how people forget how good of an OL the Dolphins put around Marino and how bad the Jets OL was for O'Brien.... Now overall I think Marino was the better QB but I can't look back at O'Brien and say we should have taken Marino.... Cause as much as O'Brien wasn't a mobile QB.. He was way more mobile than Marino.. And with the Jets luck Marino would ahve suffered a career ending injury if drafted by us..
Oh god please lets change the topic back to who the Jets should draft at QB in 2018. This trip down memory lane is depressing the F out of me right now.
Mayfield looked good again tonight m, but so did Rosen. Mayfield reminds me of Manziel. The female reporter was even taller than him.
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Darnold looked good this week too.
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I noticed the same thing. To use an old expression, it looked like she could eat off the top of his head.
BTW - my Yahoo sports only gives the results of the top 25 teams. Where can I find the box score of the UCLA games until they make the top 25?
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I've watched both Rosen and Darnold so far. Just some general, very preliminary observations...
Darnold - physically, his arm is average. His throwing motion has a hitch which causes him to lose velocity, the spiral and telegraph his passes. It's a motion similar to Blake Bortles. Made some bad throws that showed his inexperience, which is to be expected. And Tee Martin's offense looks like a hybrid pro-style, and college read option, which would slow his development a bit. So that's the bad. Here's the good - He has superb pocket awareness, and has been well coached there. He slides in the pocket effortlessly and throws really well on the run. His accuracy is also very good to excellent when he is on rhythm. Throws with excellent anticipation at times - he threw some receivers open and put the ball into some tight NFL windows, which was impressive. Seems like a good kid. Based off of what I've seen yesterday, he seems more like Chad Pennington to me based on his physical skills (which is great, loved Chad), then say the next Andrew Luck. My biggest concern with him thus far are the mechanics of this throwing motion and arm strength.
Rosen - above average to very good arm strength. Superb throwing mechanics and looks the part back there. Good mobility and showed some leadership last week in his come from behind win. Again, the offense looks like a hybrid, which will slow his development somewhat, but he is by all accounts very intelligent and should pick up an NFL offense. Very talented player. Need to see more games to better evaluate him because he was in hurry up mode all game.
Darnold - physically, his arm is average. His throwing motion has a hitch which causes him to lose velocity, the spiral and telegraph his passes. It's a motion similar to Blake Bortles. Made some bad throws that showed his inexperience, which is to be expected. And Tee Martin's offense looks like a hybrid pro-style, and college read option, which would slow his development a bit. So that's the bad. Here's the good - He has superb pocket awareness, and has been well coached there. He slides in the pocket effortlessly and throws really well on the run. His accuracy is also very good to excellent when he is on rhythm. Throws with excellent anticipation at times - he threw some receivers open and put the ball into some tight NFL windows, which was impressive. Seems like a good kid. Based off of what I've seen yesterday, he seems more like Chad Pennington to me based on his physical skills (which is great, loved Chad), then say the next Andrew Luck. My biggest concern with him thus far are the mechanics of this throwing motion and arm strength.
Rosen - above average to very good arm strength. Superb throwing mechanics and looks the part back there. Good mobility and showed some leadership last week in his come from behind win. Again, the offense looks like a hybrid, which will slow his development somewhat, but he is by all accounts very intelligent and should pick up an NFL offense. Very talented player. Need to see more games to better evaluate him because he was in hurry up mode all game.
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Mayfield played quite well against the Buckeyes. Uses play action often, and seems to run those plays so fluently? He's always all in for the Sooners, great leader and team ambassador. I saw him make some throws that were not terribly accurate, but still good enough to get a completion. That was a pro style defense with top notch NFL prospects playing that he conquered. I still want to watch much more of him, but right now he is most definitely a 1st round draft choice. He's finished top 5 in Heisman consideration for two seasons now. He could very well win it this season? If he does, I would think he'd most certainly be a top 10 pick? I don't know that he'll ever pass Rosen or Darnold as a prospect, but he's still an excellent football player.
Thanks for your analysis. Much appreciated.
He is 6'5" Strong arm, quick release comes from the spread offense that could be his downfall... But that was the knock on Aaron Rodgers as well. With that said I think him and Petty are cut from the same cloth... Unfortunately they need to be groomed properly and developed over 2-3 years properly.. But we alreasy know the Jets can't develop a QB like Green Bay can.