Referee Tony Corrente Says Overturning S-Jenkins’ TD Was ‘Obvious’ Call

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NFL referee Tony Corrente spoke with pool reporter Bob Glauber after today’s game between the Jets and the Patriots. He said the call to overturn Austin Seferian-Jenkins’ touchdown was ‘obvious.’

As you look at the play, the key thing to keep in mind is the call on the field was a touchdown. That means the officials did not have to prove definitively that the tight end actually scored a touchdown. It means they had to prove he definitively did not score a touchdown for the play to be ruled a touchback. I think that is a very tough sell.

The entire transcript of Corrente’s comments is below to take you through the officials’ thought process.
Can you just take me through the play as you saw it?

“The final shot that we saw was from the end zone that showed the New York Jets’ runner, we’ll call him a runner at that point, with the football starting to go toward the ground. He lost the ball. It came out of his control as he was almost to the ground. Now he re-grasps the ball and by rule, now he has to complete the process of a recovery which means he has to survive the ground again. So in recovering it, he recovered, hit the knee, started to roll and the ball came out a second time. So the ball started to move in his hands this way…he’s now out of bounds in the end zone, which now created a touchback. So he didn’t survive the recovery and didn’t survive the ground during the recovery is what happened here.”

So this had nothing to do with the catch itself?

“Nothing to do with the catch. It was all dealing with goal line and going to the ground.”

The initial ruling was a touchdown. Why was that?

“Because the position of the official involved had the player’s back to him when all this action occurred, so when the player came down with the football, all he saw was the ball over the goal line and that’s why he did not know the ball came loose. Had the ball not come loose and he had crossed the goal line and he had possession and started to roll on his back, that would have been the touchdown. But because he lost the ball on his way to the ground the first time and had to re-grasp, that means now it’s a loose ball. He has to have control and survive the ground in the process of the recovery or, as we say, the process of the catch. So that’s what that was about.”

Who made the initial call?

“Our down judge.”

How long was the discussion with New York on that review?

“Well, we went through two or three primary looks and then this other shot came up. When the other shot came up, it was just ‘boom, boom, boom.’ It was a pretty quick determination. It was pretty obvious.”

As far as you know, was the end zone shot shown on TV?

“I was with you in the stadium. It had to be, because that was the only shots we get is anything that’s shown on TV. We don’t get anything secret. I mean, there’s no secret shots. It has to be shown on TV. Unless, did we go to commercial break? We went to commercial break, so I can’t tell you whether it went on TV or not because the audience was away. The replays keep showing. As they say, they will empty the can. They will show us every replay they’ve got related to the situation and that’s what happened there.”

If Seferian-Jenkins as a runner touched the pylon first, it would be a touchdown?

“No. You’ve got to keep in mind, he doesn’t have possession of the football yet. When he lost the ball short of the goal line, when he lost the ball, he re-gained control but that doesn’t mean he possesses the ball. He doesn’t possess the ball until he’s completed going to the ground now and re-controlling the ball, which he did not survive the ground, which is why it wasn’t a touchdown. Had he never lost control of the ball in the first place, you would have a touchdown. But because he lost the ball and now has to re- establish control of the ball, that was the period of time.”

He began losing the ball before he got to the goal line?

“Before he got to the goal line, yes.”

And he didn’t re-establish control until he was out of bounds?

“He was out of bounds.”

Did you think he touched the pylon?

“At what point he touched the pylon, it was during the process of trying to recover the ball. Even though he may have had the ball in his hands the second time, that control does not mean possession until he comes to the ground and shows firm control of the ball at that point.”
 

Elias

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It wasn't obvious. He's just defending his bullshit call. Here's Dean Blandino disagreeing.

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I agree with every point except the last one. I did not see one replay that shows he either had or didn't have possession of the ball when he rolled over and touch the pylon. I replayed it myself a number of times. So with that as the backdrop I don't know how you reverse that call. There was not indisputable proof that he lost possession. Not surprised though it was against the Patriots.
 

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As I see it....It was a great call that i hate. I don't think the rule is a good one but based on the rule it was the right call
 

magicjohnson

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All these NFL rules are taking the fun out of this game. Between all the penalties and now this nonsense, I miss the 80's when football was real and refs minded their own business.
 

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Just another in a long list of reasons for me not to give a f--k about the NFL anymore.

F--k the NFL, let the Patriots OWN THE LEAGUE, I don't give a flying f--k anymore, I really don't.
 
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I agree with every point except the last one. I did not see one replay that shows he either had or didn't have possession of the ball when he rolled over and touch the pylon. I replayed it myself a number of times. So with that as the backdrop I don't know how you reverse that call. There was not indisputable proof that he lost possession. Not surprised though it was against the Patriots.

+1

This is exactly my take........But after that, I am as pissed as Green Jets and Ham seems to be. That game should have gone to overtime as that was very clearly a TD. I get so sick and fucking tired of constantly running into bullshit calls that go in the patsies direction.

What about Robbie Anderson getting the crown of a defenders helmet in his face mask and they pick up the flag and claim there was no penalty????????????
 

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the only way there is irrefutable evidence is if there is a replay view that shows ball loose AS HE HITS THE PYLON. There is no such view

replay official made an inference about when it was loose and when it wasnt - bad.
 

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As I see it....It was a great call that i hate. I don't think the rule is a good one but based on the rule it was the right call

I can't see how anyone can see it as a fumble. he lost the ball and clearly had control of the ball when he hit the pylon.. Which the pylon is inbounds.
 

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I hate to say this, but when he lost control of the ball it was inside the one, he didn't regain control until the ball passed the line which is considered to be a fumble into the endzone which is a touchback... there is room for judgment did he still have possession even tho the ball was jostled in his grasp while crossing the line is the problem with this rule... now if you look at the rules what makes a fumble is someone losing control of the ball and it hits the ground, which did not happen... so it is an iffy rule that needs to be addressed...

what I like the most happened after the game, when ASJ was asked about the play... He didn't take the high road he said how he felt and how there is nothing he can do but get better at his craft and move on... with the last regime we have players bickering all the way into mid week after a bad call...

this is a young team and there will be growing pains and shit calls will go against since everyone including those shit faced people in nyc all believe we should be winless right now...

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gastineau

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AT Pats Home the REFS call that a TD Every time and NEVER overturn that TD call !!!! He had control over pylon, ball NEVER touched the ground & he comes up with the ball for a TD. Refs can say anything they want to justify giving Pats that win, I dont care. The word FIXED comes to mind when Refs do that kind of over turning the play. Ref Tony the "FIXER" should all be lined up and kicked in the balls by the entire Jets team.
 

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gmf! As usual you are right on top posting high lights & pre/post game videos! IMO for me, make this the number one Jets board for info about our Jets and I want to thank you for your hard work keeping me informed. Where is Scotch and his comedy to lighten up Jets losing in a horrible Ref screw up? Oh, also thanks for keeping me up to date on College prospects before the Draft and your opinions. Again gmf ,THANKS! I do notice just like your other site we came from. This Jets site is num. ONE!!!
 

magicjohnson

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AT Pats Home the REFS call that a TD Every time and NEVER overturn that TD call !!!! He had control over pylon, ball NEVER touched the ground & he comes up with the ball for a TD. Refs can say anything they want to justify giving Pats that win, I dont care. The word FIXED comes to mind when Refs do that kind of over turning the play. Ref Tony the "FIXER" should all be lined up and kicked in the balls by the entire Jets team.

I agree, although we may never really know unless the same happens in Foxborough which is unlikely. I've watched it several times now and it looks to me like although the ball was dislodged briefly, his arm is in fact around the ball when his elbow hits the pylon. If it weren't secure, the ball would have hit the ground upon impact.
 

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Here's what it all comes down to. ASJ lost the ball before the goal line, and he regained full control of it in the end zone, in bounds. To the best of my knowledge, having control of the ball in bounds in the end zone constitutes a touchdown.

And while video may show that he initially lost the ball, there is zero conclusive evidence that he did not have control of the ball when he was in the end zone, and when his body hit the pylon.
 
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