Referee Tony Corrente Says Overturning S-Jenkins’ TD Was ‘Obvious’ Call
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"indisputable visual evidence"
The guy thought so...what does this tell you & I may have lost the 85 WS because of no replay......but i still say do away with it or get 12 to serve on a jury LOL
The guy thought so...what does this tell you & I may have lost the 85 WS because of no replay......but i still say do away with it or get 12 to serve on a jury LOL
Let me see. Was that the one between the Royals and Cardinals where the 1st base ump missed a call by, what was it, 3 feet? Clear as day on the replay?? Think that was in game 6. And because of the blown call, the Royals went on to win the series in game 7? Whole series result changed due to one blown call? Or am I remembering the wrong series?
Good or bad call is a mute point now. The outcome of the game won't change no matter how much we discuss it. I wasn't pleased with the officiating over all but it's a problem that we are going to have to deal with probably forever. I for one am going to put it behind me and hope that we get better officiating for the rest of the season. I won't hold my breath til that happens either.
Whiny Jets fans? I guess he missed the past several years, where Pats fans like him have whined and bitched about Goodell incessantly.
You got it right...stinko call but i still say no Replay IMO
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You don't think he would have made it?
Wait to you see this guy when it counts
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No, gmf, with all due respect you are completely wrong about the rule; it is only a touchback for the defense when the ball is fumbled out of bounds through the end-zone without ever having been in the possession of an offensive player in the end zone. The replay officials in this case claimed that ASJ never had "possession" of the ball in the end zone until he eventually landed out of bounds. It was a horrible call because there was no replay angle that showed the ball continuously through the play; every angle had a point where ASJ's back or body or something else obscured the ball so there was no way to know whether he had secured the ball at that time, thus, no "conclusive evidence" as is needed to overturn a call. Worst replay call I've ever seen.
I guarantee that you are mistaken about the plays you think you remember from last season, there is no way that a fumble recovered in the end-zone by the fumbling player would be called anything but a touchdown if it never went out of play. Even on fourth down and in the last two minutes of each half, the fumbling player himself can recover and advance the ball; if one of his teammates recovers it (on 4th down or in last two minutes), it goes back to the spot of the fumble, or the spot of the recovery if it was recovered behind the spot of the fumble. In the plays you are remembering the ball went out-of-bounds through the end-zone after the fumble.
Pretty sure this was him making a kick when it counted, big time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVpzJ-HCadc
sorry but you are wrong the rule states if the ball passes the end zone un possessed it is considered a touchback that was how they explained it last year when it happened but that is what they reiterated this year when it happened again...
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the real question what constitutes as a fumble... clearly the ball was loose but was it a fumble, because in their rule book a fumble is lost possession that hits the ground which did not happen...
(sorry wasn't a offensive player last season)
Baltimore Ravens linebacker C.J. Mosley makes an interception but fumbles at end zone for a touchback...
No, I am definitely, positively, absolutely, 100% certainly not wrong! "Passes the end zone" as you state above does NOT mean "crosses the goal line" as you seem to be interpreting it, it means that it goes into and out of the end-zone, either by crossing the end-line or one of the end-zone sidelines!
Also, the rule does not say a fumble has to hit the ground, it says only loss of possession. In fact, the rule that discusses recovery of a fumble explicitly says:
Item 1: Recovery and Advance Any player of either team may recover or catch a fumble and advance, either before or after the ball strikes the ground.
Here is the exact citation from the NFL rule book (Section 7: Backward Pass and Fumble):
FUMBLE
Article 3 Fumble. A fumble is any act, other than a pass or kick, which results in a loss of player possession.
Exception: If a runner intentionally fumbles forward, it is a forward pass (3-22-2).
Item 1: Recovery and AdvanceAny player of either team may recover or catch a fumble and advance, either before or after the ball strikes the ground.
Exceptions:
(a) Fourth-down fumble. See 8-7-5 below.
(b) Fumble after two-minute warning. See 8-7-6 below.
Item 2:Legal Recovery. For a legal recovery of a fumble, see Rule 3, Section 2, Article 7.
Item 3. Out of Bounds. When a fumble goes out of bounds between the goal lines, the following shall apply:
(a) If a fumble goes backward and out of bounds, the ball is next put in play at the inbounds spot by the team that was last in possession;
(b) If a fumble goes forward and out of bounds, the ball is next put in play at the spot of the fumble by the team that was last in possession; OFFICIAL NFL PLAYING RULES 51
(c) If a ball is fumbled in a team’s own end zone and goes forward into the field of play and out of bounds, it will result in a safety, if that team provided the impetus that put the ball into the end zone (See Rule 11, Section 5, Article 1 for exception for momentum). If the impetus was provided by the opponent, the play will result in a touchback;
(d) Notwithstanding any of the above, when there has not been a change of possession during the down, and the spot of the ball is not at or beyond the line to gain after fourth down, the ball is awarded to Team B at the spot that the ball is declared dead.
Item 4. Out of Bounds in End Zone. When a fumble goes out of bounds in the end zone, the following shall apply:
(a) If a ball is fumbled in the field of play, and goes forward into the opponent’s end zone and over the end line or sideline, a touchback is awarded to the defensive team; or
(b) If a ball is fumbled in a team’s own end zone or in the field of play and goes out of bounds in the end zone, it is a safety, if that team provided the impetus that sent the ball into the end zone (See 11-5-1 for exception for momentum). If the impetus was provided by the opponent, it is a touchback.
An example cited in the rule book:
A.R. 8.57 Second-and-goal on B4. Runner A1 fumbles at line of scrimmage where ball rolls out of bounds:
a) at one-yard line. Ruling: A’s ball third-and-goal on B4.
b) over end line*. Ruling: B’s ball first-and-10 on B20.
(The end line is the back line of the end-zone, as opposed to the goal-line)
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Also, the exact play that you cited from last season, the C.J. Mosley interception-and-then-fumble proves this point. He loses control before he gets to the end zone, when he is trying to reach for the goal line. The ball bounces across the goal line and then out of bounds, creating the touchback. Listen to the referee's announcement, he is explicit: "he fumbled it through the end zone, it's a touchback..." The title is misleading.