We Did It Again

forevergreen

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Btw in Mac and Bowles time with the Jets - we have dismantled our coveted defensive line and watched a team strength unravel.

Snacks - gone because we gave the wrong guy a deal
Richardson - gone because we couldnt coach him
Wilkerson - soon to be gone because we couldnt coach him

2 first round picks and one UFA who should of been a 1st rounder. Tell me how this is a positive. Btw I find it to be funny. McAdoo just got fired because he couldnt deal with the head cases on the Giants when Tom Coughlin could. Why should we accept less inside JET Nation? Great players are all head cases. They are all super confident crazy people. It goes with the territory when you are the best of the best. That is why coaching in the NFL is different then coaching in college. In the NFL you are paid to coach men who make more than you. Fire Bowles
 

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You do know Enunwa is not playing this season right? He has been on IR all season and last season its not like Bowles swapped him in for Marshall when he was doing poorly. Bowles stuck to his sorry stubborn guns the entire way. McGuire is lucky to see the field and only reason he is - Forte has been injured. Otherwise Bowles would of kept him out. You need to read the local news a bit more. All of this is at NY Post and NJ.COM all season. If you just read ESPN or NFL you wont get the full picture man.

I am fully aware that Enunwa is hurt. And you have no idea what sources I read.

But I guess it's easiest to just jump on the "fire everyone" bandwagon. After all, we're Jets fans.
 

Xmarco

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Jets don't have leaders on offense or defense.. JA may be one but other than that nothing... So we are on a scrap the rebuild every 3 years? Who are you getting to coach this team...
 

AFA2017

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I felt it was a great year after all the sport writers had us tanking the season for a #1 pick. So we missed out on a top pick. Whose to say our top pick would not turn out to be Ryan Leaf or Vernon Gholston. We got rid of older players and soon to jettison Mo. We have a lot of cap, two 2nd Rd picks. Last years draft was solid. Too much negativity. Look what we accomplished with our younger players who stepped up. I look forward to FA and the draft and undrafted players coming out.
 

forevergreen

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I felt it was a great year after all the sport writers had us tanking the season for a #1 pick. So we missed out on a top pick. Whose to say our top pick would not turn out to be Ryan Leaf or Vernon Gholston. We got rid of older players and soon to jettison Mo. We have a lot of cap, two 2nd Rd picks. Last years draft was solid. Too much negativity. Look what we accomplished with our younger players who stepped up. I look forward to FA and the draft and undrafted players coming out.

So you're looking forward to a repeat of 2015. We will build a team that is incapable of showing up to win big games and is too stubborn to change. Todd Bowles Type Team.
We will bring in a has been backup QB probably McCown and he will play the entire season.....
Mac will pick another loser QB.....
We will have yet another top talent player in trouble because of bad coaching and be looking to move on from them....
Mac will be forced to spend next year our war chest so we will get a bunch of has beens in the locker room that will distort the culture because we dont have a coach to control it....

Same Jets Diff' Year.

Its interesting comparing Ryan to Bowles....
Personalities were different for sure....
Both had teams that never showed up in important games, both were stubborn and incapable of changing schemes....
Both didnt have a clue that a football team had an offense....

Only one up Ryan had on Bowles though was his defenses were not soft throughout the season. Even when Idzik gave him no secondary - the d-line was still ridiculously good. Bowles, a DC, has failed in 3 years to ever have a top defense.

You can say anything you want - but bottom line when you remove the personality difference all that is left is the same crappy DC coach with a weaker defense. If you think this regime will improve next year and make the playoffs you are out of your mind. The Jets havent had a real HC since Bill. We only hire DC's since which is why almost all our 1st round picks have been on defense throughout the years. You can say whatever you like, but the facts and numbers dont lie. 3 years into this current regime and we are in rebuild mode with no QB and the team strength now the biggest weakness. If you cant see that your blind. The questionable coaching calls in the last 3 years and the throwing in of the towels just compound the problem.

Btw how many wins this year have been over playoff teams - lets be real. We have a soft schedule just like 2015 and we managed to get 5 wins. So a bunch of reporters overestimated some of the teams we played...so what. The Browns are terrible this year, the press thought they would be better. The Bills imploded - the press thought they be better, Miami imploded - they were supposed to be decent....the list goes on. In essence the only possible playoff team we beat was KC....but lets be real - they havent been very good this year and they were on the road in the middle of a slump. If you figure that a lot of teams played us soft this year because we stink - you can dismiss a lot of the close games. It especially explains many of the 4th quarter collapses. The other team just woke up and won like they should of.

But if it makes you feel better keep believing...Just dont be shocked when next year is like the previous 3.
 

magicjohnson

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You're right again, Bowles would have 3-5 more career wins but he seems to throw in the towel as if he's some kind of established success in the NFL. Not attempting to score before the half in several games, not using time outs, not going for it on 4th down when needed are just a few obvious blunders.

Here's how it works...Reporters, so called "Experts" sympathetic to Jet management predict 1-3 wins and when more wins are achieved the season is then considered a rebuilding success...thus tickets continue to sell. It's the classic "Under Promise and Over Deliver" business tactic.

As for Bowles and Mac, if they truly have a rebuilding plan in progress they need to show me next year. No more excuses. Bowles was 5-11 with veterans last year, probably 5-11 this time with kids. The Excuses end next season!
 

TonyFtLaud

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Who developed and progressed that wouldnt of otherwise?

Really at the end of the day the only guys on offense that have developed are anderson and McGuire....Anderson was on his way from last season, and McGuire might have had more opportunities to run with a rookie. Other than that you have to look to darren lee on defense which has nothing to do with QB and the jury is still out on him anyway. There is no other player development this season.

Thomlinson, Stewart, ASJ, who not a rookie, has never shown anything before this season. Anderson and McGuire as mentioned.
As for Defensive players, who he has nothing to do with, I agree, Lee, Jenkins, Davis, Adams Maye, Ealy amongst others.
But there has been no player development ......
 

TonyFtLaud

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You do know Enunwa is not playing this season right? He has been on IR all season and last season its not like Bowles swapped him in for Marshall when he was doing poorly. Bowles stuck to his sorry stubborn guns the entire way. McGuire is lucky to see the field and only reason he is - Forte has been injured. Otherwise Bowles would of kept him out. You need to read the local news a bit more. All of this is at NY Post and NJ.COM all season. If you just read ESPN or NFL you wont get the full picture man.
Enunwa played when Marshall was playing, and out performed him. Now you just explained your logic, keep reading,Mheta, Cimini, Costello and pimple dick Hughes. I'm starting to think you don't even watch the games. Your cluless and rely on the voices in Mhetas head he calls sources for your info.
 

forevergreen

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Thomlinson, Stewart, ASJ, who not a rookie, has never shown anything before this season. Anderson and McGuire as mentioned.
As for Defensive players, who he has nothing to do with, I agree, Lee, Jenkins, Davis, Adams Maye, Ealy amongst others.
But there has been no player development ......

ROFL Adarius stewart for 2017 5 receptions for 36 yards......are you serious??????
ASJ - is not a rookie - he is a veteran alchoholic who is finally going to meetings to save his career
Anderson might be further along if bowles played him more last year instead of sticking with marshall.

Lee - the jury is still out - wasnt he benched for being late....seems to be a bowles trend!
Adams and Maye are 1st and second rounders - arent they doing what they would do under any coach - wasnt jamal supposed to be the best in his draft class before the draft?
Ealy - another vet......

Seriously man - I dont know what in gods name you are referencing???
 

TonyFtLaud

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ROFL Adarius stewart for 2017 5 receptions for 36 yards......are you serious??????
ASJ - is not a rookie - he is a veteran alchoholic who is finally going to meetings to save his career
Anderson might be further along if bowles played him more last year instead of sticking with marshall.

Lee - the jury is still out - wasnt he benched for being late....seems to be a bowles trend!
Adams and Maye are 1st and second rounders - arent they doing what they would do under any coach - wasnt jamal supposed to be the best in his draft class before the draft?
Ealy - another vet......

Seriously man - I dont know what in gods name you are referencing???

I'm pretty sure I said ASJ, while not a rookie. Lee was benched for being late, once for practice, that doesn't mean he has not developed.
Your a troll who looks to cry on every thread. You said other than Anderson and Mcguire, no players have developed, on offense or Defense.
Your simply wrong.
There has been plenty of improvement over the course of the season for many players.
You just can't accept it because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Here, have a tissue to wipe your crying eyes...
 

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I'm pretty sure I said ASJ, while not a rookie. Lee was benched for being late, once for practice, that doesn't mean he has not developed.
Your a troll who looks to cry on every thread. You said other than Anderson and Mcguire, no players have developed, on offense or Defense.
Your simply wrong.
There has been plenty of improvement over the course of the season for many players.
You just can't accept it because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Here, have a tissue to wipe your crying eyes...

There is a lot to like in this post.
 
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Mainejet

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Fool me once...shame on you, fool me twice....shame on me. You really want to give Mac a third time. We are a professional sports franchise, if the guy is inept with the most important position you fire him quickly. If you are at work and your employee keeps screwing up - how many chances do you give?

NO. I absolutely do not want to give Mac a third chance. Hell, I didn't want him to get a second chance? But be that as it may, I now want to see what the results look like when he's FINISHED with his second chance. Honestly, I think you're jumping the gun on Mac. Let him finish what he started. In the end, we can praise him or tar and feather him depending on the results.

And to answer your question, it depends. I react to employee mistakes on a case by case basis. I tell all my guys they all get treated fairly but different. If the guy is constantly late? That pisses me off to no end. But after he gets to work, he does EXCELLENT work? Well then I'm willing to take a step back on reading him the riot act for being late.
 

forevergreen

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NO. I absolutely do not want to give Mac a third chance. Hell, I didn't want him to get a second chance? But be that as it may, I now want to see what the results look like when he's FINISHED with his second chance. Honestly, I think you're jumping the gun on Mac. Let him finish what he started. In the end, we can praise him or tar and feather him depending on the results.

And to answer your question, it depends. I react to employee mistakes on a case by case basis. I tell all my guys they all get treated fairly but different. If the guy is constantly late? That pisses me off to no end. But after he gets to work, he does EXCELLENT work? Well then I'm willing to take a step back on reading him the riot act for being late.

I understand your point, however - do you think this stuff is handled like that on the Pats? Good teams dont have these ongoing issues with personnel.
 

forevergreen

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Your a troll who looks to cry on every thread. You said other than Anderson and Mcguire, no players have developed, on offense or Defense.

Here, have a tissue to wipe your crying eyes...

I offer logic and stats - you come back with name calling - I love debating you - its fun because of your ignorance. Keep going and make it personal please =). Your just making yourself look bad. I also enjoy that you completely overlook half of what I posted. For example how leonard william had to save lee from himself when he nearly assaulted a woman at an event this year.

But hey - maybe you are using your name calling because you are projecting....but then again I'm not getting paid to provide you with self help - so I will stick to logic and statistics, you can stick to ignorant name calling =)
 

forevergreen

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Did anyone else count how many 12 man penalties we had in the game today? Even better question - name a game which didnt have a coaching error (time outs, penalties, conservative at the wrong time....) this past year?
 

Flyboys89

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Bowles is garbages . Pretty easy to see that . I could never envision him standing in sidelines in a playoff game across from a belichekc or Tomlin. It would have to be an insane difference In talent level carrying him there (ie morton carrying the offense and a guy like Rosen here being Brady 2.0). Even then he’d prob find a way to screw it up . If not for gailey and morton crushing expectations on offense in 2015 and 2017 Bowles would’ve been gone already
 

TonyFtLaud

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I offer logic and stats - you come back with name calling - I love debating you - its fun because of your ignorance. Keep going and make it personal please =). Your just making yourself look bad. I also enjoy that you completely overlook half of what I posted. For example how leonard william had to save lee from himself when he nearly assaulted a woman at an event this year.

But hey - maybe you are using your name calling because you are projecting....but then again I'm not getting paid to provide you with self help - so I will stick to logic and statistics, you can stick to ignorant name calling =)

You offered nothing but your typical crying. You said no players have developed other than Anderson and McGuire.....
I simply pointed out players on both sides of the ball who have improved their play this year.
Those are facts.
I offered you a tissue because your always crying about something.......
Grow up troll
??????
 

forevergreen

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I offered you a tissue because your always crying about something.......
Grow up troll
??????

Thanks again TonyFtLand - you keep illustrating my point. The best part is you are so ignorant you dont even realize the mockery you are making of yourself with this name calling instead of responding to a statistical and logical argument with statistics and logic of your own. Please keep it coming! I delight in the idea of the entire forum potentially seeing you for what you are. Or you can choose to take the high road and end the name calling. Up to you either way I am green as can be =)
 

forevergreen

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If not for gailey and morton crushing expectations on offense in 2015 and 2017 Bowles would’ve been gone already

I am just tired of every other game having coaching errors in year three. 85% of the time the defense doesnt show up (today is the exception not the rule) or else time out issues, or else 12 man penalties, or offensive goes way to extreme in either way, or stubbornness to change at half time, or the overall # of penalties this team makes each week, or the 4th quarter issues, or the slow start issues.....Its always something, in 3 years our HC has not managed to fix these issues. I honestly believe this problem is systemic of the organization...we hire DC's with no HC experience and its a crap shoot if they ever learn on the job. For once I would like to bring in a former HC who has learned on someone else's dime. Additionally, I think we need an offensive oriented coach, especially if we plan on developing a quarterback. Something we have consistently failed to do throughout this teams history.
 
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