What will Cousins fetch on the open market

[TonyFtLaud]

Now that Cousins is set to become a Free Agent,
what do you think he will command on the open market?
Given how the league economics usually go, I think Cousins is likely to set the new mark in NFL contracts surpassing Matthew Stafford's deal.
Something around a $ 55 million dollar signing bonus, $94million guaranteed , $62.5 million fully guaranteed at signing.
$27.5 million per year annual salary.
A large portion of this year's salary could be part of the signing bonus, still leaving us close to $100 million in salary cap.
That's a big # but in line with the economics of the League
What king of contract do you guys think he will sign?
Not what you think he's worth, or Bowles sucks, but realistically, what kind of deal do you see him getting.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Now that Cousins is set to become a Free Agent,
what do you think he will command on the open market?
Given how the league economics usually go, I think Cousins is likely to set the new mark in NFL contracts surpassing Matthew Stafford's deal.
Something around a $ 55 million dollar signing bonus, $94million guaranteed , $62.5 million fully guaranteed at signing.
$27.5 million per year annual salary.
A large portion of this year's salary could be part of the signing bonus, still leaving us close to $100 million in salary cap.
That's a big # but in line with the economics of the League
What king of contract do you guys think he will sign?
Not what you think he's worth, or Bowles sucks, but realistically, what kind of deal do you see him getting.

I think he gets way more than he is worth so I think a 5 year/$150M with $100M guaranteed. If the Jets sign him I just hope he just wanted to leave Washington and not that Washington doesn't see a real franchise QB. And I also hope he wants to stick it to the Redskins and signs for closer to what he is worth which is no more than Stafford. The Jets better get tons of weapons quickly with a great OL and running game otherwise they will have wasted that money because Cousins is not even close to the top tier of QB's.

 

[Mainejet]

He'll be seeking (and will get) a long term deal averaging approximately 25 million per season. It will be an enormous undertaking by Mac to sign this very average QB. The years will be at least 5. There will be a signing bonus that is likely front loaded over the 1st 3 years at about 40 million. The guaranteed money will be somewhere in the vicinity of 100 million.

Make no mistake about it, for ANYONE that might have some doubts about this kid, do NOT make a deal. If you make a deal and he turns out to be just average? Your organization is SCREWED for the foreseeable future.

And what is it suddenly everyone thinks they're smarter than the Redskins and their coaches? The Redskins decided to cut ties with him. that SHOULD tell you some things:

1) Dan Snyder will spend like a drunken sailor and everyone damn well knows it. If the Redskins honestly thought he was worth the kind of money he is sure to get, he would be signed by now. That should tell you the guy is overall another Neil O'Donnell. The guy that can get you to being that fringe playoff team. He'll also be the guy that can NEVER win the SB.

2) Do your eyes deceive you? You saw this guy play for the Redskins already. You already know that no matter what their CS put around him he could NEVER get it done with the Redskins. You have real live evidence to see with your eyes that he is NOT the guy that can take a team all the way.

Also, don't forget that if Cousins likely landing spot is NY or Cleveland? NYJ hold the advantage because Mac likes to front load contracts. Cousins will get MOST of his money up front and that will tip things in the Jets favor.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

He'll be seeking (and will get) a long term deal averaging approximately 25 million per season. It will be an enormous undertaking by Mac to sign this very average QB. The years will be at least 5. There will be a signing bonus that is likely front loaded over the 1st 3 years at about 40 million. The guaranteed money will be somewhere in the vicinity of 100 million.

Make no mistake about it, for ANYONE that might have some doubts about this kid, do NOT make a deal. If you make a deal and he turns out to be just average? Your organization is SCREWED for the foreseeable future.

And what is it suddenly everyone thinks they're smarter than the Redskins and their coaches? The Redskins decided to cut ties with him. that SHOULD tell you some things:

1) Dan Snyder will spend like a drunken sailor and everyone damn well knows it. If the Redskins honestly thought he was worth the kind of money he is sure to get, he would be signed by now. That should tell you the guy is overall another Neil O'Donnell. The guy that can get you to being that fringe playoff team. He'll also be the guy that can NEVER win the SB.

2) Do your eyes deceive you? You saw this guy play for the Redskins already. You already know that no matter what their CS put around him he could NEVER get it done with the Redskins. You have real live evidence to see with your eyes that he is NOT the guy that can take a team all the way.

Also, don't forget that if Cousins likely landing spot is NY or Cleveland? NYJ hold the advantage because Mac likes to front load contracts. Cousins will get MOST of his money up front and that will tip things in the Jets favor.

Signing bonuses are spread evenly across a players contract up to 5 years so it can't front loaded.

The Redskins tried to sign him long term in 2016 and 2017. He turned down what was the largest guaranteed contract in league history.
He wasn't going to sign a long term deal and tagging him would have cost Washington $34.5
Million. They wanted him but couldn't keep him.

I think they overpaid for Smith though. Not so much salary wise, but the 3rd round pick and more so the leagues top slot defender in Fuller.

 

[jets82]

I know this is just my fantasy and I’m in La La land here but I’m hoping the Jets aren’t stupid enough to pay this guy. Yes I do acknowledge that he is leaps and bounds betts then Fitz and McCown. Yes I acknowledge he’s much younger and can possibly play well for us for about 5-7 years.

So this will be a major upgrade but I’m tired of this vet rethread thing here. It’s time to draft a a 20-23 year old franchise QB that can hopefully play for us for the next 15 plus years and win us a few SBs. A guy we can call our own like Broadway Joe or what Chad would have turned out to be without the injuries. Is this a fantasy of mine, yes I will admit that because I know the Jets will never make this happen. For whatever reason!!!

Whether because they rather pay a proven vet in his prime like Cousins or pay a old ass wash up guy like our last two starters. Or they just don’t draft the right QB in whatever round because we all know how wise they are in doing that. For whatever reason I know this won’t happen, so I’m holding out no hope for it but it sure would be nice.

 

[butterscotch]

Tony good question that i won't answer lol. I will answer what I think the Jets should do. Find out what they want to pay him & still build a team . Add 15% more & then walk. There is always the draft

 

[AFA2017]

I believe it will be 5 years at $170 mil. It was not a money thing in Washington, it was more that he did not want to sign with Washington. That's my thinking. I would sign him and build around him in FA and the Draft. We could pick a QB in the Draft and it could turn out to be a Ryan Leaf type of player.

 

[Gramoah]

The only two teams I see that would spend a lot of money to get him, other than the Jets of course are the Browns and the Broncos. That being said I think the Jets would come up with a good signing bonus mid to high 50Ms, 100 M guaranteed, and 30M a year. That would be their best offer because if they get beat out by either of those two teams it improves their choices in the draft without trading up. Just my thoughts of course.

 

[butterscotch]

The only two teams I see that would spend a lot of money to get him, other than the Jets of course are the Browns and the Broncos. That being said I think the Jets would come up with a good signing bonus mid to high 50Ms, 100 M guaranteed, and 30M a year. That would be their best offer because if they get beat out by either of those two teams it improves their choices in the draft without trading up. Just my thoughts of course.

Don't forget the Cardinals that are ready to win now.....In fact as I see it there is a 30% chance he will end up on one of my teams...good or bad

 

[gmf1369]

Jets will need to offer 5 year $150 M contract to Cousins...

on how the contract is written will be key to sway him here... 1st 3 years will be $110 of the $150... And those three years will have 75 - 90% of guarantees in it...

Kirk is noted that would like to play in the New York Market and that the Jets are a definite possibly because of Bates...

the only problem there still is a chance that Washington Transition Tags Cousin to get some kind of draft pick compensation and ultimately take the choice from Kirk on where he was hoping to go to...

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Jets are definitely not the most attractive spot. Jags or Vikings. Browns and Jets just have most money to spend, but neither is close to being a contender.


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[Gramoah]

Don't forget the Cardinals that are ready to win now.....In fact as I see it there is a 30% chance he will end up on one of my teams...good or bad

I did consider the Cardinals but they thought that the asking price for Smith was too high so in light of that I'm of the mindset that they consider the price for Cousins way to high. If I'm right in this line of thinking, on the off chance, the only way they would pick higher than us would be to trade up which would be in my opinion very expensive as well. There's talk that Wilks told the media that he doesn't want to rebuild, he wants to compete. They are considering an extension for either Stanton or Gabbert with Palmer's retirement. They are also planning on being aggressive in free agency and the draft. I get the feeling that he doesn't want to mortgage big for a QB and in truth I don't know what their cap situation is or how much they could compete in a bidding war for Cousins. Like everyone else I'm just a guesser at this juncture of the game.

 

[NCgreen12]

Jets will need to offer 5 year $150 M contract to Cousins...

on how the contract is written will be key to sway him here... 1st 3 years will be $110 of the $150... And those three years will have 75 - 90% of guarantees in it...

Kirk is noted that would like to play in the New York Market and that the Jets are a definite possibly because of Bates...

the only problem there still is a chance that Washington Transition Tags Cousin to get some kind of draft pick compensation and ultimately take the choice from Kirk on where he was hoping to go to...

I don't think the Transition Tag will have any bearing since there's no required compensation by the other team. The only term of the Tag is the original team has seven days to match. With the money Cousins will be offered there's no way the Skins will match any contract of about 30Mil a year.

I would take him for no more than 25M per year and since that's not going to happen I would rather take a chance with our QB in the draft. Have a feeling this will end up with number 6 wearing green and white and I'm AOK with that.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

I believe it will be 5 years at $170 mil. It was not a money thing in Washington, it was more that he did not want to sign with Washington. That's my thinking. I would sign him and build around him in FA and the Draft. We could pick a QB in the Draft and it could turn out to be a Ryan Leaf type of player.

34 million a season is 7 million more than the biggest contract in league history. I'd be shocked to see him getting that much.

 

[gmf1369]

I don't think the Transition Tag will have any bearing since there's no required compensation by the other team. The only term of the Tag is the original team has seven days to match. With the money Cousins will be offered there's no way the Skins will match any contract of about 30Mil a year.

I would take him for no more than 25M per year and since that's not going to happen I would rather take a chance with our QB in the draft. Have a feeling this will end up with number 6 wearing green and white and I'm AOK with that.

with the Redskins getting Alex Smith for a 3rd round plus K. Fuller opens the door for us to make that same kind of approach maybe for AJ McCarron, we have one player that the Bungals may be willing to take off our hands plus a 4th round pick...

I am not willing to see this team mortgage any future by giving a QB that has accomplished nothing but mediocre over the span of the last few years...

There is not one QB in this year's draft that will make a difference (especially any of the top 4)... All 4 have more questions than answers for our struggling franchise... Maybe one has long term potential but it is not guaranteed even with a QB's coach like Bates that is suppose to be promoted to offensive coordinator, it is like the team is holding out just in case someone more experience becomes available...

• Sam Darnold is two to three years riding the pine before he should see the field but has the most upside... We already have one entering year three waiting for his turn, to add another oh boy...
• Josh Rosen isn't fully committed to football, especially if he feels the team that drafts him isn't going anywhere...
• Josh Allen is inconsistent but is a cold weather QB that could thrive in the north east region... Can we afford to take that chance (50/50) flourish or Hackit again...
• Baker Mayfield has the talent, but is an immature prick... In the New York market, is one strike away from bringing the circus back to town...

Maybe we hold out and take the likes of a Mason Rudolph, Mike White, or Riley Ferguson... Maybe we take a chance on a Lamar Jackson, at worst he can become Brad Smith 2.0...

SO many possibilities but this year isn't the time to worry about making that homerun splash as the team will still be 5 pieces(OL) away from competing at a high level...

 

[TonyFtLaud]

Don't forget the Cardinals that are ready to win now.....In fact as I see it there is a 30% chance he will end up on one of my teams...good or bad

I don't think the Cardinals can afford him right now. They only have about 27 million in cap space with their carry over from 17 , unless Fitzgerald retirees, then they have some more flexibility. Between the Jets and Cardinals, you could be rooting for Cousins and Bridgewater in 18.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I still think the Broncos go after him hard.

 

[gmf1369]

I still think the Broncos go after him hard.

I think you are right but ultimately the Browns will throw the kitchen sink and pay him $50 M annual, even Kirk isn't that stupid to pass it up...

 

[TonyFtLaud]

with the Redskins getting Alex Smith for a 3rd round plus K. Fuller opens the door for us to make that same kind of approach maybe for AJ McCarron, we have one player that the Bungals may be willing to take off our hands plus a 4th round pick...

I am not willing to see this team mortgage any future by giving a QB that has accomplished nothing but mediocre over the span of the last few years...

There is not one QB in this year's draft that will make a difference (especially any of the top 4)... All 4 have more questions than answers for our struggling franchise... Maybe one has long term potential but it is not guaranteed even with a QB's coach like Bates that is suppose to be promoted to offensive coordinator, it is like the team is holding out just in case someone more experience becomes available...

• Sam Darnold is two to three years riding the pine before he should see the field but has the most upside... We already have one entering year three waiting for his turn, to add another oh boy...
• Josh Rosen isn't fully committed to football, especially if he feels the team that drafts him isn't going anywhere...
• Josh Allen is inconsistent but is a cold weather QB that could thrive in the north east region... Can we afford to take that chance (50/50) flourish or Hackit again...
• Baker Mayfield has the talent, but is an immature prick... In the New York market, is one strike away from bringing the circus back to town...

Maybe we hold out and take the likes of a Mason Rudolph, Mike White, or Riley Ferguson... Maybe we take a chance on a Lamar Jackson, at worst he can become Brad Smith 2.0...

SO many possibilities but this year isn't the time to worry about making that homerun splash as the team will still be 5 pieces(OL) away from competing at a high level...

Is it too early to start the Lose for Lock thread?
:global (43):

 

[gmf1369]

Is it too early to start the Lose for Lock thread?
:global (43):

wouldn't it be lose for Fitz thread? Fitzgerald that is...
or how bout lose for the Ham, Stidham

I am just not sold when a team that is entering second year of a rebuild needs to pay a average QB all that money to do what, continue to be average with a team that may be competitive but now has a $30 M annual QB doing what the $6 M one year deal did that last year...