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jetgreen13

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I don't believe this is an ass backward approach. Its more of a GM/Scouting system that's not on the same page. I agree, with all the Drafts being Defense, Defense, Defense we should have a 2nd to none top rated "D". Its time to shift gears.
the approach could be called many things..

i believe the era we play in speaks for itself..
 

ReallyBigfan

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Trying to build offensive juggernauts to win the Super Bowl is all the rage... until the next time a Super Bowl is won by a dominant defensive team, and then (almost) everyone will go back to copying that approach to building a winner. The consistently good teams - the Patriots and Steelers for example - play whatever style works to their strengths at any given time, and don't worry so much about what everyone else is doing. That's why I think that SackExchange and cheaterhater nailed it with their posts above.

And you know what? There were some very promising signs from the Jets' defense last year. I think they frequently wore down in the 4th quarter, perhaps due to lack of depth, perhaps to being on the field too much, most likely a combination of both. But they often kept the Jets in games against significantly more talented opponents, and they consistently played hard, and made good in-game adjustments. I think Bowles deserves credit for all of that, and earned more time to keep building this thing. And I am a guy that went into last season very skeptical of Bowles and feeling sure that he would be done after last season. Now, I think the Jets might be an edge rusher or two and a shutdown corner away from being a pretty dominant defense. There are also a bunch of really smart people very high on Jeremy Bates as OC, and especially in concert with Rick Dennison being brought in for the OL and running game. Now, if we can only get us a long-term QB!
 

jetgreen13

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Trying to build offensive juggernauts to win the Super Bowl is all the rage...
wow, who knew a "rage" could last 20+ years??

i guess the patriots & steelers knew having 1st ballot HOF QBs would be all the rage too??

that & having a 1st ballot HOF HC & one that probably makes the hall eventually..
 
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ReallyBigfan

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wow, who knew a "rage" could last 20+ years??

i guess the patriots & steelers knew having 1st ballot HOF QBs would be all the rage too??

that & having a 1st ballot HOF HC & one that probably makes the hall eventually..

Really? You think that teams have been operating with the "offense wins Super Bowls" philosophy for more than twenty years? You must know that that is not accurate; "defense wins championships" was certainly the mantra until just a few years ago. I'm not saying it is accurate, but it was certainly the popularly expressed philosophy - first expressed by Bear Bryant, iirc.

And one of the things that makes them HOF caliber coaches is precisely what I said, that they coach to their teams' strengths, which have varied over the years, they don't try to fit square pegs into round holes.
 

jetgreen13

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Really? You think that teams have been operating with the "offense wins Super Bowls" philosophy for more than twenty years? You must know that that is not accurate; "defense wins championships" was certainly the mantra until just a few years ago. I'm not saying it is accurate, but it was certainly the popularly expressed philosophy - first expressed by Bear Bryant, iirc.

And one of the things that makes them HOF caliber coaches is precisely what I said, that they coach to their teams' strengths, which have varied over the years, they don't try to fit square pegs into round holes.
nothing to add about the 1st ballot HOF QBs??
 

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In some ways, going against the trend has its advantages. When Parcells and Belichick went toward the 3-4 model early, it was when a lot of teams were 4-3. That allowed those guys to pursue guys who fit the 3-4 mold, but weren't as highly in demand because there weren't many teams using the 3-4. It can have its advantages.
 

jetgreen13

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In some ways, going against the trend has its advantages. When Parcells and Belichick went toward the 3-4 model early, it was when a lot of teams were 4-3. That allowed those guys to pursue guys who fit the 3-4 mold, but weren't as highly in demand because there weren't many teams using the 3-4. It can have its advantages.
how has that worked out for us??

?????
 

SackExchange

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how has that worked out for us??

?????

The 3-4? Well, it has given us some of the best defensive line play since the Sack Exchange, from Ellis and Abraham (who arguably was a better 4-3 DE fit) to Jenkins to the Sons of Anarchy and Leonard.

Though the advantage was mitigated on some level as more teams followed the 3-4 model.
 

ReallyBigfan

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nothing to add about the 1st ballot HOF QBs??

Among the HOF QBs to not win a Super Bowl are Jim Kelly (played in four in a row but never won), Dan Marino (played in one iirc), and Dan Fouts (never reached a SB). That is to say, having a HOF-caliber QB helps but it is no guarantee of winning any championships. Having a HOF-caliber coach to go along with the QB obviously increases the likelihood of getting it done. Both NE and Pittsburgh have had seasons where their defenses were their primary calling card, great QBs not withstanding. They've had seasons with powerful running games and seasons without. The point again being that their coaches work with whatever they have to achieve success, they don't just rely on having a great QB.
 

jetgreen13

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Among the HOF QBs to not win a Super Bowl are Jim Kelly (played in four in a row but never won), Dan Marino (played in one iirc), and Dan Fouts (never reached a SB). That is to say, having a HOF-caliber QB helps but it is no guarantee of winning any championships. Having a HOF-caliber coach to go along with the QB obviously increases the likelihood of getting it done. Both NE and Pittsburgh have had seasons where their defenses were their primary calling card, great QBs not withstanding. They've had seasons with powerful running games and seasons without. The point again being that their coaches work with whatever they have to achieve success, they don't just rely on having a great QB.
our defensive HC is not even a JAG..

again, my point is, this is an offense driven league, has been for a long time.. the rule book & officiating made that call, not me.. & that call was made well before concussions took center stage.. there is no going back..
 
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