Here’s one myth about each of the top six draft-worthy QBs

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I know another article regarding QB prospects but it's a good read. I now want nothing to do with Allen. Read this on ESPN. Enjoy


The down time between the end of the college bowl season and the NFL Combine is where quarterback narratives, true or not, fester. People thought Deshaun Watson didn’t throw the ball with enough velocity to be successful in the NFL. Others believed Carson Wentz couldn’t handle the elements because he played all his college home games in a dome. Someone probably said Peyton Manning didn’t possess a strong enough arm to consistently throw downfield. Narratives take root and are hard to shake, as they get repeated enough times to breach our national football conscious.

The 2018 NFL Draft is still three months away, but the scrutiny this crop of quarterbacks finds itself under is no different. Fortunately, we’re here to separate truth from reality, so the next time you hear someone parrot one of the common misconceptions about your favorite signal caller in this draft, you’ll be ready to correct them. Here’s one myth about each of the top six draft-worthy QBs, and why it’s totally wrong.

Sam Darnold’s Performance Against Ohio State Hurt His Draft Stock

If you live in the Cleveland area, or anywhere in the Midwest, really, then USC’s Rose Bowl matchup with Ohio State on Dec. 29th was probably the first time you got a glimpse of Trojan quarterback Sam Darnold. If that’s the case, then you might be down on Darnold after watching him fumble twice and throw a pick-six in a 24-7 loss to the Buckeyes.

When it comes to Darnold’s draft stock, though, his performance against Ohio State didn’t move the needle one way or another. In fact, some of the throws he made against the Buckeyes were the type that have GMs and scouts drooling over his potential.

One such throw came on a third-and-13 late in the second quarter, with USC backed up on their own 10 yard line. Against a six-man blitz, Darnold threw a dime off his back foot to his slot receiver on a fade almost 40 yards down the field, placing it perfectly between the cornerback and the safety coming over the top.

On another, facing a third-and-four in the first quarter, Darnold navigated the pocket perfectly as it collapsed around him, giving his wide receiver time to run across the middle and come open on a crossing route for a 15 yard gain and a first down.

Darnold’s two fumbles are certainly a cause for concern, and his interception came from incorrectly reading Ohio State’s defensive coverage. But the sheer amount of NFL-level throws he made in the Rose Bowl is what has NFL teams excited about adding Darnold to their quarterback room.

Josh Rosen is a Privileged Jerk Who Doesn’t Care About Football

Of all the charges that have been leveled against this draft crop of quarterbacks, the ones against UCLA’s Josh Rosen might be the most egregious. Such as: His teammates hate him. He’s selfish. He’s too smart for his own good. He grew up privileged and spoiled. He doesn’t love football or the president. And on and on.

The original story of Rosen’s less than stellar reputation seems to have started toward the end of his high school career, when Rosen turned off some coaches at Stanford during a football camp in Palo Alto, Calif., that reportedly cost him a scholarship. “He was perceived to be overbearing,” the Orange County Register reported.

Then there was a run-in with former NFL quarterback Trent Dilfer, Rosen’s coach at the Nike Elite 11 camp, a breeding ground for some of the top high school quarterbacks. Rosen disagreed with how Dilfer chose the plays they ran, something Dilfer didn’t take kindly to.

“I like being challenged,” Dilfer said at the time. “I don’t mind that stuff. My bigger thing was he thinks he knows more than he knows.”

The more you dig into Rosen’s background, the more he reminds you of that kid in your high school Statistics class, raising his hand to politely correct the teacher. He’s too smart for his own good, and because of it, he enjoys challenging preconceived notions, even when they’re being disseminated by someone much his senior. Is that kid annoying? Yes. Does that kid have a bit of an ego? Yes. Is any of that enough to keep you from recognizing and using his otherworldly talents? Absolutely not.

But rumors of Rosen’s deficiencies have taken on a life of their own, even when there is substantial evidence pointing the opposite direction. For instance, teammates jumped to Rosen’s defense on Twitter when rumors circulated that they didn’t enjoy playing with the California native.

Then Rosen’s poignant comments on the impossibilities of trying to be a college student while also dedicating himself to football, one of the least controversial things a “student-athlete” could say, were mangled until they came to mean football wasn’t his main focus. That narrative has pervaded football circles, while the quote below, coming from the very same article, didn’t even make a dent.

“I don’t know why (scouts) say things like that,” Rosen said. “Because I speak about things other than football? Come on. I want to play 15 years in the NFL. I want to be great. I want my team to be great, to win championships. I’ll play in the NFL as long as they have me.”

Should Rosen have posted a picture of himself teeing off at a Donald Trump-owned golf course with a hat that read “F**k Trump” to Instagram? No, probably not. But Rosen is one of the most pristine passers we’ve seen in a long time, and to let some of his quirks, both real and imagined, sway you from handing him the reins of your offense, is misguided.

Baker Mayfield’s Numbers Are Inflated Because of Atrocious Big 12 Defenses

On one hand, there’s some truth to the notion that Baker Mayfield wasn’t exactly facing the stiffest competition on the other side of the line of scrimmage this season. On the other, the demise of the Big 12’s defensive prowess has been greatly exaggerated. In a great piece by Seth Walder and Brian Burke for ESPN in late November ([video]http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21514646/numbers-say-big-12-really-defensive-problem[/video]), the two examined the Big 12’s defensive Football Power Index rating, which is expressed by how many points better or worse a conference is on defense per game than the average FBS team.

Through all but two regular season games, the Big 12 sat at 2.8 points better than the average FBS team, which is not so bad at all. That’s better than the PAC-12, which sits at just 2.2 points better, and only slightly worse than the vaunted SEC, which boasts a rating of 4.1 points better.

The Big 12 also happens to boast the top two teams in the country in offensive efficiency, according to FPI, in Mayfield’s Oklahoma and Mason Rudolph’s Oklahoma State, contributing to the destruction of Big 12 defenses.

If you need even more evidence that Mayfield’s absurd numbers aren’t simply a product of poor defense, just look at some of his toughest out of conference games since 2015. Here’s what those stat lines look like:

vs. OSU (2017): 27-35, 386 yards, 3 TDs 0 INTs, 77.1% completion rate

vs. Georgia (2017): 23-35, 287 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 65.7% completion rate

vs. OSU (2016): 17-32, 226 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, 53.1% completion rate

vs. Auburn (2016): 19-28, 296 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 67.9% completion rate

vs. Tennessee (2015): 19-39, 187 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 48.7% completion rate

vs. Clemson (2015): 26-41, 311 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs, 63.4% completion rate

Total: 131-210, 282 yards per game, 13 TDs, 5 INTs, 62.3% completion rate

Mayfield certainly benefits from getting to face teams like Kansas and Baylor during the regular season, but he is not just a product of the Big 12.

Lamar Jackson Should Play Wide Receiver in the NFL

After winning the Heisman following an electric 2016 campaign, Louisville quarterback Lamar Jackson has largely been ignored this season despite putting up nearly identical stats.

Jackson threw for 3,660 yards and 27 touchdowns while rushing for 1,601 yards to go along with 18 more TDs. But Louisville finished 8-4, largely due to their abominable defense, Jackson played poorly in the Cardinals’ only high-profile matchup against Clemson, and the world turned its attention to Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield.

Being overlooked is one thing. Being told you have no future as a quarterback in the NFL and need to make the switch to wide receiver is something else completely. That’s what’s happened to Jackson this season, as if he were Braxton Miller, despite zero evidence that would necessitate a position change.

Per Bleacher Report’s Ian Wharton, 68 percent of Jackson’s passes were considered “catchable,” a number that ranks higher than Josh Allen’s. Jackson also ranks 14th out 50 draft-eligible quarterbacks since 2012 in accuracy on passes 11 to 19 yards long, at 65 percent. Allen, who no one has suggested needs to switch positions, ranks 21st. Jackson even bests Rosen, who is largely considered the best passer in the 2018 draft class, in accuracy on passes right at the line of scrimmage to 10 yards beyond, hitting on 74 percent of them, compared to Rosen’s 72.

Jackson spent much of the early parts of 2017 working on becoming a better passer from the pocket and following his progressions. Those hours paid off.

Even with a leaky offensive line, Jackson flourished when he was pressured, tossing five touchdowns and zero interceptions, all the while dealing with a receiving corps that dropped passes with regularity.

Is Jackson a better quarterback prospect than Rosen, Darnold or even Mayfield? No, probably not. Is he going to be an absolute steal if he’s placed in the right situation at the next level? Yes. Does he need to switch positions to flourish in the NFL? Now that’s truly laughable.

Josh Allen’s Struggles Are Due to a Lackluster Supporting Cast

After strutting onto the scene following a breakout 2016 season which saw Josh Allen throw for 3,203 yards and 28 touchdowns, Wyoming’s quarterback was tossed from his saddle in 2017.

Though he missed Wyoming's final two regular season games due to injury, Allen still threw for just 1,812 yards this season to go along with 16 touchdowns, and posted a paltry yards per attempt average of 6.7 yards. That number falls even lower, to 5.6, when you look at Allen’s ANY/A, or his adjusted net yards per attempt.

Despite Allen’s immense struggles, and not to mention his inaccuracy (he completed just 56 percent of his passes in both 2016 and 2017), NFL scouts and draftnicks alike have remained undeterred in their love for Allen.

Standing 6-foot-5 with an arm that more closely resembles a bazooka than human extremity, Allen is also surprisingly mobile. These three traits, adored by those in the NFL community, have led people in NFL circles to attribute Allen’s struggles in 2017 to his lack of a supporting cast.

While it’s true that Allen lost both his leading rusher and wide receiver to the NFL ahead of the 2017 season, as well as his top tight end, Allen’s receiving corps this season also posted just a 5.88 percent drop rate, per Bleacher Report’s Ian Wharton. That number ranks lower than Rosen, Jackson, Mayfield and Rudolph’s pass catchers.

Did Allen’s wideouts drop some balls? No doubt. But the drop rate of Rosen’s and Jackson’s receivers were 7.45 and 6.17 percent, respectively, at the end of October. Both quarterbacks dealt with arguably worse supporting casts, yet were still able to elevate their game to improve on already impressive 2016 campaigns.

Allen clearly possesses enough talent to entice multiple NFL teams to consider making him one of the top quarterbacks taken in 2018. But using his supporting cast as the reason for his major regression this season simply doesn’t fly.
 

NewMFS62

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I like Jackson. If they sign an experienced free agent QB/mentor, he's the one I'd take.
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Darnold is still the only QB I wouldn't have a problem with the Jets trading up for. The rest all have major red flags.
 

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Darnold is still the only QB I wouldn't have a problem with the Jets trading up for. The rest all have major red flags.
While I don't agree with all of his assessments, this is a really good column with lots or truth to consider. For example, he's right about the reason why some people remain intrigued by Josh Allen (GUILTY) despite his disappointing season in 2017, to say the least. He's also right about Mayfield's detractors overstating the weak defenses in his conference to dismiss the outstanding seasons he had in 2016 and 2017 (Can you say "GUILTY" to that one?). I also agree that Lamar Jackson has gone from the apple of everyones eye in 2016 to vastly underrated in 2017. If he became a FQB at the next level it wouldn't surprise me in the least. Not saying he will, but the way some people are talking about him, you'd think the idea is laughable, and its not. In fact I'd still take him in the 1st RD if I were the Dolphins, Cardinals or Bills. If he was on the board in any of those spots, with the first 4 QB's having been taken, I wouldn't hesitate to take a shot on Jackson.

The one QB I disagree with him about is Rosen. Too me it comes off as a lot of excuse making for a kid who just rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Don't get me wrong, if he's the last of the TOP 4 QB's standing when the Jets go on the clock at #6, I'll hold my nose and take him, but thats definitely my worst case scenario. I hope someone else takes him in the TOP 5 and any of the other three QB's (Mayfield, Darnold or Allen) slides to the Jets. Allen scares me too, for all the reasons this guy cited, but he might have the highest ceiling of the bunch. Its a gamble.
 
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Green Jets & Ham;n157044 said:
While I don't agree with all of his assessments, this is a really good column with lots or truth to consider. For example, he's right about the reason why some people remain intrigued by Josh Allen (GUILTY) despite his disappointing season in 2017, to say the least. He's also right about Mayfield's detractors overstating the weak defenses in his conference to dismiss the outstanding seasons he had in 2016 and 2017 (Can you say "GUILTY" to that one?). I also agree that Lamar Jackson has gone from the apple of everyones eye in 2016 to vastly underrated in 2017. If he became a FQB at the next level it wouldn't surprise me in the least. Not saying he will, but the way some people are talking about him, you'd think the idea is laughable, and its not. In fact I'd still take him in the 1st RD if I were the Dolphins, Cardinals or Bills. If he was on the board in any of those spots, with the first 4 QB's having been taken, I wouldn't hesitate to take a shot on Jackson.

The one QB I disagree with him about is Rosen. Too me it comes off as a lot of excuse making for a kid who just rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Don't get me wrong, if he's the last of the TOP 4 QB's standing when the Jets go on the clock at #6, I'll hold my nose and take him, but thats definitely my worst case scenario. I hope someone else takes him in the TOP 5 and any of the other three QB's (Mayfield, Darnold or Allen) slides to the Jets. Allen scares me too, for all the reasons this guy cited, but he might have the highest ceiling of the bunch. Its a gamble.

It's always a gamble drafting a college player, especially a quarter back. Until he plays in the NFL, in your system, with new team mates, there is no way to be positive that his college skills will translate to what you need him to be at the NFL level. He might become an instant super star in one system but be a complete bust in another. There are just too many intangibles. He may be the long ball thrower in college, throw a great touch or timing pass, and hit 99% of those tight windows, but, can he do all, or any, of that while being charged fiercely by a veteran NFL defensive line ? There is, we all know, only one way to find out and that is to try him out. The trouble with that is that you are now stuck with him.
 

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Good stats on Lamar Jackson, that's interesting data. Incredible athlete...it's hard to tell if he can do all the things an NFL QB can do. But the kid can play football, that's for sure.
 

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Rosen is polarizing, and it mostly stems from the golf course incident, because Trump is so polarizing. The HS stuff coukd be spun either way. He's probably the kind of guy you'd love on your team, and really hate on your rival.

Bottom line with Rosen is, if you're a Trump supporter, you only see the negative hype, and you hate him - as a person and a football player. If you're a conservative, you see the negative hype and probably don't like him as a person. If you're a liberal, you love what he did on the golf course and you only see the positive hype, and you have no issues with his personality.

Anyway, that's what I've seen personally in my experience.
 

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Rosen is polarizing, and it mostly stems from the golf course incident, because Trump is so polarizing. The HS stuff coukd be spun either way. He's probably the kind of guy you'd love on your team, and really hate on your rival.

Bottom line with Rosen is, if you're a Trump supporter, you only see the negative hype, and you hate him - as a person and a football player. If you're a conservative, you see the negative hype and probably don't like him as a person. If you're a liberal, you love what he did on the golf course and you only see the positive hype, and you have no issues with his personality.

Anyway, that's what I've seen personally in my experience.
I agree, the country is divided like no time since the Vietnam war, and in many ways Trump has become a referendum on which side you are on. Back in the 60's it was the war in Vietnam, that was the referendum, you were for it or against it and the two sides hated each other, it even divided families, like young people from their parents. Now, in some ways, Trump is the dividing line, and that too is dividing families as well as the culture at large, AND YES, it has even infected and divided NFL fans too. IMO, at its core, the kneeling and protests may have started out as a race and law enforcement issue, but it quickly evolved into a referendum on Trump. The stronger you were in your support for Trump, the more you tuned out the NFL over these protests, and the stronger you hated Trump, the more you supported the protests. It was almost like a mini proxy war in the larger culture war, with Trump at the center of it.

Which brings us to Rosen. By wearing that hat he left no doubt about where he stands in this political and cultural divide, and that automatically alienated half the fans who want no part of him, much less as the face of their franchise. The other half, of course, loves the idea, but either way, the team that drafts him will have to deal with the ramifications. Like it or not, that hat made him a polarizing figure and there's no undoing it. The feelings on both sides are too intense. Like I said, this country has only been this divided maybe twice in American history, the civil war and the 60's cultural revolution, and this kid put himself smack dab in the middle of it. The left adores him and the right can't stomach the sight of him, period.
 
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I agree, the country is divided like no time since the Vietnam war, and in many ways Trump has become a referendum on which side you are on. Back in the 60's it was the war in Vietnam, that was the referendum, you were for it or against it and the two sides hated hated each other, it even divided families, like young people from their parents. Now, in some ways, Trump is the dividing line, and that too is dividing families as well as the culture at large, AND YES, it has even infected and divided NFL fans too. IMO, at its core, the kneeling and protests may have started out as a race and law enforcement issue, but it quickly evolved into a referendum on Trump. The stronger you were in your support for Trump, the more you tuned out the NFL over these protests, and the stronger you hated Trump, the more you supported the protests. It was almost like a mini proxy war in the larger culture war, with Trump at the center of it.

Which brings us to Rosen. By wearing that hat he left no doubt about where he stands in this political and cultural divide, and that automatically alienated half the fans who want no part of him, much less as the face of their franchise. The other half, of course, loves the idea, but either way, the team that drafts him will have to deal with the ramifications. Like it or not, that hat made him a polarizing figure and there's no undoing it. The feelings on both sides are too intense. Like I said, this country has only been this divided maybe twice in American history, the civil war and the 60's cultural revolution, and this kid put himself smack dab in the middle of it. The left adores him and the right can't stomach the sight of him, period.
I think there's a gray here too - I know lots of life-long conservatives that are not Trump supporters, but I wouldn't lump them in with liberals or dems on any issue.

Regarding kneeling during the anthem, I think those men/women generally either disagree with it, though not as strongly as those that have the same feelings but double and triple down because Trump made it such an important political issue, or fall in line with the military people who say "I fought and sacrificed for your right to protest".

But I think you're right, feelings on Trump have become tantamount to feelings on kneeling during the anthem, feelings on Josh Rosen, and feelings on the current NFL in general.
 

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I think there's a gray here too - I know lots of life-long conservatives that are not Trump supporters, but I wouldn't lump them in with liberals or dems on any issue.

Regarding kneeling during the anthem, I think those men/women generally either disagree with it, though not as strongly as those that have the same feelings but double and triple down because Trump made it such an important political issue, or fall in line with the military people who say "I fought and sacrificed for your right to protest".

But I think you're right, feelings on Trump have become tantamount to feelings on kneeling during the anthem, feelings on Josh Rosen, and feelings on the current NFL in general.
Actually, in fairness, its you who nailed it, Izzy. I just elaborated on it, added my own thoughts, but it was you who hit the bullseye.

We can tip-toe around it, but the bottom line on Rosen is, you hit the bullseye.
 
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I just want a QB for the Jets that I can cheer for and not have to hear his stupid political opinions. I want a QB that loves football and loves the Jets. I also want one that is not a complete douche and making an ass of himself each week. The Jets are already one of the laughing stocks of the NFL and can't handle a huge circus and one QB is a huge circus. I can agree the OU kid has great stats, but rarely do those things matter in the NFL. I have watched many games of his and I have seen him play defenses that my over 40 flag football team could score 40 on. The three I don't want are OU kid, Jackson, Rosen. I don't want Allen either, but I wouldn't hate it either. I have wanted Darnold all year.
 

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Bottom line with Rosen is, if you're a Trump supporter, you only see the negative hype, and you hate him - as a person and a football player. If you're a conservative, you see the negative hype and probably don't like him as a person. If you're a liberal, you love what he did on the golf course and you only see the positive hype, and you have no issues with his personality.

This. We view the world through our own prism.
That said, Woody is a Trump backer and I'm not sure he would allow the team to draft Rosen should he be available when the Jets pick. And that would be sad.
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This. We view the world through our own prism.
That said, Woody is a Trump backer and I'm not sure he would allow the team to draft Rosen should he be available when the Jets pick. And that would be sad.
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This. We view the world through our own prism.
That said, Woody is a Trump backer and I'm not sure he would allow the team to draft Rosen should he be available when the Jets pick. And that would be sad.
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It would be sad. I don't see it happening. I would think Woody is a bigger man then that.
 

isired

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It would be sad. I don't see it happening. I would think Woody is a bigger man then that.
It's not necessarily if Woody is the bigger man, it's more 'what will Trump do if I pick the guy that did that to him (and whatever else he'll do/say rob the NY media, who will eat it up).'
 

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It would be sad. I don't see it happening. I would think Woody is a bigger man then that.
i have little idea how big a man johnson is or isn't but if rosen is the last of the big 4 at 6 & we pass?? yeah, i would have to reassess why i take this franchise as seriously as i do..
 

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Better explanation of why not to draft Allen - I fear that the Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield will be gone and we will take Allen and he will be the Jeff George of his generation.
 

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Better explanation of why not to draft Allen - I fear that the Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield will be gone and we will take Allen and he will be the Jeff George of his generation.

Jeff George is still better than almost every Jets QB.
 
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