Supposedly, quite a few Dolphins players were grumbling about Suh in the locker room. Described him as a polarizing personality.
No thanks.
No thanks.
Update: Jets rescind offer to DT Suh, Kong signs with Rams
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The Jets rescinded their offer to free-agent defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, acting owner Christopher Johnson told reporters on Sunday.
New York reportedly offered Suh, the 31-year-old defensive lineman whom the Miami Dolphins released earlier this month, the most money, however Johnson said the rumor that the money did not have an impact on the revocation.
"Our thinking just changed a bit," Johnson said.
Johnson said he was not involved when the team made an offer to Suh, but said the team agreed to pull the offer away from the table after talking with GM Mike Maccagnan.
Head coach Todd Bowles was not involved in the discussions, according to Johnson.
New York reportedly offered Suh, the 31-year-old defensive lineman whom the Miami Dolphins released earlier this month, the most money, however Johnson said the rumor that the money did not have an impact on the revocation.
"Our thinking just changed a bit," Johnson said.
Johnson said he was not involved when the team made an offer to Suh, but said the team agreed to pull the offer away from the table after talking with GM Mike Maccagnan.
Head coach Todd Bowles was not involved in the discussions, according to Johnson.
Why wouldn't they be going after Hankins? He is 25.
There is a cash spending rule that is often mistaken for a salary cap rule. 89% of the cap much be reached in a 4 year period in cash spent.
Teams can carry over as much cap room as they like. Signing bonuses count fully towards cash spending for the year, even though they are spread across the life of the contract leaving additional cap space.
Remember, we actually began the 2017 season over the cap we have until 2020 to reach the cap spending floor and will be resigning some of our own by then and could extend both Adams and Maye at that time. Those contracts and signing bonuses will more than bring us to the 89% required cash spending.
So more dysfunction surfaces at one Jets drive. Regardless of your feelings on Suh, this shows that ownership and the FO are not on the same page. Woody forced Mac's hand in FA signings and it appears Chris Johnson is doing the same. You have to wonder where the line is. How much say does Chris Johnson have over the draft,
The smart move would have been for chrCh to simply say, we have decided to go in a different direction. Instead he gave us a glimpse into the inner workings of the Franchise and why we have failed to find success.
The smart move would have been for chrCh to simply say, we have decided to go in a different direction. Instead he gave us a glimpse into the inner workings of the Franchise and why we have failed to find success.
This isn’t the first time an owner has gotten involved. And I completely understand why Chris Johnson would step in here. This isn’t a move that lines up with the direction this team has chosen in the last few years. A 31 year old aging vet who’s best years are behind him, and an unpredictable behavioral history.
I have no problem with an owner saying “STOP” when a decision like this is being contemplated.
I can't believe these idiots will be making the #3 pick. They are one of the most incompetent organizations in the NFL.
If he was just using the Jets offer to shop for a better offer, and apparently he was, then good for Chris Johnson for pulling the offer.
And I say that as someone who was 100% on board with signing Kong Suh.
And I say that as someone who was 100% on board with signing Kong Suh.
This I would very much support.
not to mention the HC doesn't answer to the GM.. & yes, I've heard this chain of command is not unprecedented in the league.. but that has absolutely no bearing on how it is, or isn't working for this franchise..
LOLz #continuity?!
I'm not sure that withdrawing any offer demonstrates dysfunction
Maybe they decided that he wasnt really interested in the Jets and was just using us
Maybe in the course of discussions he showed some further level of immaturity that tipped their balance against him
Maybe they subscribe to this forum and were convinced by those who argued against it
Maybe their discussions with other free agents moved in a direction where they dont want to commit big $$ to Suh
Why would any of those be bad?
Maybe they decided that he wasnt really interested in the Jets and was just using us
Maybe in the course of discussions he showed some further level of immaturity that tipped their balance against him
Maybe they subscribe to this forum and were convinced by those who argued against it
Maybe their discussions with other free agents moved in a direction where they dont want to commit big $$ to Suh
Why would any of those be bad?
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I agree. The Jets put their best foot forward and Suh hemmed and hawed. I'm sure their thinking was, he doesn't want to sign with us even though the Jets would give him his highest salary, forget it.
He's not going to use their offer to help him squeeze more money out of a team he is actually thinking of playing for. So, fahk him.
I thought he might want to be able to go against the team that cut him twice a year.
Withdrawing the offer in and of itself does not demonstrate dysfunction.
Chris Johnson stating he decided to with draw the offer , that he was not aware of the offer initially , that Todd Bowles was not aware of the decision does.
What if Mac's plan at 3 is Rosen but Woody calls and vetos the pick.
Where is the line?
Woody was pulling the strings in 15,16 leading to the bad contracts given Fitz, Cro, Revis.
How much input does Chris have in roster decisions?
What ever reason the decision was based on, it was handled poorly. And Mac is now scrambling to come up with an excuse to cover for Chris Johnson's original statement.
Not to mention how how this looks to other FAs. We are far from an attractive landing spot and this is just another black eye on the franchise.
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Stepping in isn't the issue. You were anti Suh so you applaude the move, but refuse to address the actual post your quoting.
It's not about one player but Chris Johnson's statements and how the FO is run.
Suh takes a 1 year deal with the Rams.
I was wrong on that one. Never thought he’d bet on himself for a 1 year deal. Rams have Suh and Donald plugging the middle.
I was wrong on that one. Never thought he’d bet on himself for a 1 year deal. Rams have Suh and Donald plugging the middle.
Seems like you’re making a mountain out of a molehill with this. Dysfunctional? That seems like a stretch to me. The SOJ reaction to a nothing burger.
They withdrew the offer after further deliberation. I don’t care. It doesn’t bother me one iota.
I'm the furthest you can get from a SOJ poster. I try to find the positive in the franchise.
This is a bad look for the franchise. Nothing to do with the player , but Johnson's initial statements. The right thing to say would have been simply, 2e decided to go in a different direction.
Not, I was not aware of the offer, I discussed it with Mac and didn't feel it fits the direction of out team going forward. Todd(Bowles ) was unaware of my decision.
How can Johnson not know about the offer when it's been the talk of the league for a week.
It shows that the Owner,GM,and HC are not on the same page. If that isn't dysfunction, I guess your right.
I think its unfair to call anyone who roots for an organization that hasn't been in a SB, much less won one, in fifty years, a SOJ fan, which implies fair-weather or overly critical. As for the former, fair-weather, if you are a Jets fans by definition there is not a 'fair-weather fan' bone in your body. As for the latter, you have to expect a lot of cynicism when its fifty years and counting.
That said, at the end of the day, I don't believe there is a single Jets fan who doesn't wish to God they win a SB and put that SOJ stuff to rest, once and for all. Just like I don't believe there's a single Red Sox fan who doesn't THANK GOD (metaphorically speaking if they are atheists, literally if they're believers) that "The Curse of the Bambino" is dead and buried. Ditto Cubs fans and "The Curse of the Billygoat." Ditto NY Rangers fans in 1994. To a man and woman they just wanted to see their teams win, JUST ONCE, and put that garbage to rest, and I believe the exact same is true for Jets fans and the SOJ narrative.
As for myself, I think I'm pretty fair-minded and even-handed. When the Jets do something good, as I see it, I am quick to praise them, and if they do something dumb, in my view, I am equally quick to criticize them. IMO I am no more one or the other. I just call it like I see it, and I ALWAYS want to see them makes moves that I believe will get them closer to the Super Bowl. I'm not always right, but thats always my primary motivation, not to promote some SOJ narrative.
That said, at the end of the day, I don't believe there is a single Jets fan who doesn't wish to God they win a SB and put that SOJ stuff to rest, once and for all. Just like I don't believe there's a single Red Sox fan who doesn't THANK GOD (metaphorically speaking if they are atheists, literally if they're believers) that "The Curse of the Bambino" is dead and buried. Ditto Cubs fans and "The Curse of the Billygoat." Ditto NY Rangers fans in 1994. To a man and woman they just wanted to see their teams win, JUST ONCE, and put that garbage to rest, and I believe the exact same is true for Jets fans and the SOJ narrative.
As for myself, I think I'm pretty fair-minded and even-handed. When the Jets do something good, as I see it, I am quick to praise them, and if they do something dumb, in my view, I am equally quick to criticize them. IMO I am no more one or the other. I just call it like I see it, and I ALWAYS want to see them makes moves that I believe will get them closer to the Super Bowl. I'm not always right, but thats always my primary motivation, not to promote some SOJ narrative.
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The SOJ comment refers to the tendency of some fans to jump all over the front office of this team every chance they can. So if the Giants make a mistake or a questionable decision, they’re off the hook because of more success they’ve had. But if the Jets do something the fans and/or media don’t like, start the circus music and don’t hold back! Incompetence, LOL, SOJ.
I partially blame the beat writers for it. Cimini and Mehta have been instigators for years, constantly bringing up that stupid “Buttfumble” play as a microcosm of the supposed ineptitude of this team. (If the Giants had done that, you’d never hear about it again). Or the draft. They act like we’re the only ones who miss on first round picks. Every team misses on draft picks and FA’s from time to time. But it gets magnified because it’s the Jets, and people cannot look past 1995-96 Kotite era, paper bags over the heads at the Meadowlands, etc.
At some point, despite the efforts at ESPN and the Daily News, we have to move on from this characterization and realize that this team isn’t the joke some claim it is. Yes there have been bad years, but there’s also been very good years and a lot of mediocrity. Hardly the 1-15 SOJ team some just can’t get away from.
I partially blame the beat writers for it. Cimini and Mehta have been instigators for years, constantly bringing up that stupid “Buttfumble” play as a microcosm of the supposed ineptitude of this team. (If the Giants had done that, you’d never hear about it again). Or the draft. They act like we’re the only ones who miss on first round picks. Every team misses on draft picks and FA’s from time to time. But it gets magnified because it’s the Jets, and people cannot look past 1995-96 Kotite era, paper bags over the heads at the Meadowlands, etc.
At some point, despite the efforts at ESPN and the Daily News, we have to move on from this characterization and realize that this team isn’t the joke some claim it is. Yes there have been bad years, but there’s also been very good years and a lot of mediocrity. Hardly the 1-15 SOJ team some just can’t get away from.