Hams Updated Mock Draft (4/17)

[hobson54]

perfect!! you're someone to ask.. i'm someone who does not pay any attention to college football until it applies to the upcoming draft.. why is your 1st choice the guy with legitimate interception/ball security issues??

what jumps out at you about the kid??

honestly, i didn't watch much college ball this year. so i'm going mostly off the so-called draft experts list. darnold and rosen seem the most pro ready and have the best developed skill sets. they are kind of 1a and 1b to me, but since most of the so-called experts list darnold first, i listed him first. allen has great qualities but seems very raw, which when coupled with his poor completion percentage knocks him down a peg for me. mayfield is somewhat undersized, and played in a spread offense in a conference that doesn't play defense. i'm skeptical that his collegiate stats translate to the pro game. add to it his off-field douchiness and my concern of putting him in the NY spotlight, and he is my 4th choice.

i readily admit this is not a well informed opinion. i have a young kids (just had a 2nd), just sold our apartment and moved my family, and don't have any free time to properly scout these guys. my limited college football watching was select games of my alma mater (michigan). so i can't say i watched much, if any, of any of these guys. i'm going off what i read on the interwebz. no doubt many here watch more and have better informed opinions. the younger version of me may have been able to provide a better answer. the older version with almost no free time is going on what the kipers and mcshays of the world are saying

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

i'm certainly not a maccagnan apologist & i have no idea how he lists the big 4..

but if an organization leaves a GM in sink or swim position like this, that GM is going to try & save his own ass..

that's on woody's brother..

Well taking Mayziel would be a much bigger risk than taking Rosen.

 

[jetgreen13]

honestly, i didn't watch much college ball this year. so i'm going mostly off the so-called draft experts list. darnold and rosen seem the most pro ready and have the best developed skill sets. they are kind of 1a and 1b to me, but since most of the so-called experts list darnold first, i listed him first. allen has great qualities but seems very raw, which when coupled with his poor completion percentage knocks him down a peg for me. mayfield is somewhat undersized, and played in a spread offense in a conference that doesn't play defense. i'm skeptical that his collegiate stats translate to the pro game. add to it his off-field douchiness and my concern of putting him in the NY spotlight, and he is my 4th choice.

i readily admit this is not a well informed opinion. i have a young kids (just had a 2nd), just sold our apartment and moved my family, and don't have any free time to properly scout these guys. my limited college football watching was select games of my alma mater (michigan). so i can't say i watched much, if any, of any of these guys. i'm going off what i read on the interwebz. no doubt many here watch more and have better informed opinions. the younger version of me may have been able to provide a better answer. the older version with almost no free time is going on what the kipers and mcshays of the world are saying

LOLz yeah, i was looking for your "younger version's" take.. best wishes to you & your young family..

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Keep accuracy in college in perspective especially with one guy in particular. Lots of future HOF'ers there. Here is a list of the highest comp %:

 

[hobson54]

LOLz yeah, i was looking for your "younger version's" take.. best wishes to you & your young family..

lol.

i'm old (47), my kids are young (2-1/2 and 6 weeks)

 

[McJet]

I fully believe that if Rosen is there at three and the Jets pass on him, we will regret it for a long time.
It might be the Ken O'Brien/ Dan Marino saga all over again.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Keep accuracy in college in perspective especially with one guy in particular. Lots of future HOF'ers there. Here is a list of the highest comp %

Comp%, by itself, means nothing, or should I say it can be misleading, because you can compile a high Comp% as a dink and dunk artist or someone who runs a short passing game with lots of swing passes etc. to the RB's. In most cases, when guys have unusually high Comp%'s, that usually explains it. Thats what makes Mayfield unique. He ALSO throws more downfield passes than any of the BIG 4 QB's in this draft. Its very unusual to be a downfield passer, like Mayfield, and complete 70+% of your passes (two years in a row). But someone did the analytics and found that Mayfield is more of a downfield passer than all of the other QB's in first round consideration, YET STILL his Comp% is higher than all of them. THAT'S what makes it so impressive.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

FWIW.....

Todd McShay said he’s hearing around league circles that the Jets will take Mayfield at 3. Again, a lot of smoke going on right now, but the Mayfield-to-the-Jets noise is getting louder.

Yep, I'm hearing the same thing. I was even surprised when GMF revealed the number of visits the Jets have had with these QB's. If I was reading him correctly, basically a few with each of the QB's, but 12 ... TWELVE!!! .... with Mayfield.

If thats a smokescreen, it might be the best smokescreen ever, either that or its clearly Mayfield they have targeted.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I fully believe that if Rosen is there at three and the Jets pass on him, we will regret it for a long time.
It might be the Ken O'Brien/ Dan Marino saga all over again.

This worries me, too.

I’m trying really hard to like Mayfield, despite that garbage spread offense he worked out of. I want to believe his swagger, mobility, and strong arm will overcome his immaturity, height, and system background.

I dont want this fanbase to be banging their heads on the table in 2-3 years yelling “why is this team cursed!” I lived that nightmare in the 80’s watching Marino torch us up and down the field.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

This worries me, too.

I’m trying really hard to like Mayfield, despite that garbage spread offense he worked out of. I want to believe his swagger, mobility, and strong arm will overcome his immaturity, height, and system background.

I dont want this fanbase to be banging their heads on the table in 2-3 years yelling “why is this team cursed!” I lived that nightmare in the 80’s watching Marino torch us up and down the field.

Not trying to get overly technical on you here, Blind, but he didn't run a traditional spread offense in college, he ran a RPO (Run/Pass Option) where the QB has the authority to pick one or the other at the LOS based on what he sees from the defense ... and BTW, the RPO is growing more and more popular in the NFL too ... for example, Bill O'Brien completely redesigned his offense last year to the RPO for Deshaun Watson, who was on his way to running away with the OROTY award before he got hurt, and Bill O'Brien is as old school as it gets.

Times are changing, the game is changing, and sometimes you have to adapt.

That said, if we draft Mayfield, we do what O'Brien did, gotta install the RPO.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Not trying to get overly technical on you here, Blind, but he didn't run a traditional spread offense in college, he ran a RPO (Run/Pass Option) where the QB has the authority to pick one or the other at the LOS based on what he sees from the defense ... and BTW, the RPO is growing more and more popular in the NFL too ... for example, Bill O'Brien completely redesigned his offense last year to the RPO for Deshaun Watson, who was on his way to running away with the OROTY award before he got hurt, and Bill O'Brien is as old school as it gets.

Times are changing, the game is changing, and sometimes you have to adapt.

That said, if we draft Mayfield, we do what O'Brien did, gotta install the RPO.

Wait, did you just refer to me as “Blind”? My eyes are wide open MAN! (J/K)

Seriously though, I watched some OU games this past season, and that sure as hell looked like spread offense to me. I’m no offensive scheme expert, so I’ll take your word for it that this RPO thing is sweeping the nation (or the NFL).

That brings us to another potential problem: is Bates going to cater his entire offense around a QB? I’m pretty certain Bates has an established offense he uses, as most OC’s do. You’d be installing an overhaul of the entire offense and expecting the players currently on the roster to adjust to it, and thrive in it. That could be a tall order.

It just seems so much more practical to draft a QB who fits the system you’re trying to use, rather than the other way around. But what do I know?

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Not trying to get overly technical on you here, Blind, but he didn't run a traditional spread offense in college, he ran a RPO (Run/Pass Option) where the QB has the authority to pick one or the other at the LOS based on what he sees from the defense ... and BTW, the RPO is growing more and more popular in the NFL too ... for example, Bill O'Brien completely redesigned his offense last year to the RPO for Deshaun Watson, who was on his way to running away with the OROTY award before he got hurt, and Bill O'Brien is as old school as it gets.

Times are changing, the game is changing, and sometimes you have to adapt.

That said, if we draft Mayfield, we do what O'Brien did, gotta install the RPO.

Or we could draft Rosen and run a real NFL offense.

 

[hobson54]

Not trying to get overly technical on you here, Blind, but he didn't run a traditional spread offense in college, he ran a RPO (Run/Pass Option) where the QB has the authority to pick one or the other at the LOS based on what he sees from the defense ... and BTW, the RPO is growing more and more popular in the NFL too ... for example, Bill O'Brien completely redesigned his offense last year to the RPO for Deshaun Watson, who was on his way to running away with the OROTY award before he got hurt, and Bill O'Brien is as old school as it gets.

Times are changing, the game is changing, and sometimes you have to adapt.

That said, if we draft Mayfield, we do what O'Brien did, gotta install the RPO.

maybe i'm old school, but i don't like an offense which exposes my QB to more injury. given mayfield is already undersized, the risk of injury from having him run the ball more often increases in a RPO.

i also don't like pigeonholing an offense to suit a single player. let's say they convert the offense for him and he gets hurt. then what? are mccown, a gimpy bridgewater or hack suited to run the RPO? do we then flip the playbook back to a more traditional offense?

 

[hobson54]

FWIW.....

Todd McShay said he’s hearing around league circles that the Jets will take Mayfield at 3. Again, a lot of smoke going on right now, but the Mayfield-to-the-Jets noise is getting louder.

kind of an incomplete quote my friend:

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-j...ayfield-or-josh-rosen-a-trade-for-sam-darnold

Do the Jets prefer Baker Mayfield or Josh Rosen? Based on most mock drafts, the choice at No. 3 could be between these two quarterbacks. It's a fascinating decision because they're so different as players and personalities. Mayfield is a fiery playmaker who can thrive outside the pocket; Rosen is a pure pocket passer with flawless mechanics. Mayfield is cocky and speaks his mind; Rosen can be outspoken on certain issues, but he's known to be reserved and cerebral.

"[If] it comes down to Baker and Josh Rosen, honestly, I've heard both," McShay said. "I've heard people who seem very convinced, in who they've talked to and what they know, that Baker Mayfield is the guy. I've talked to other people who seem just as convinced, in who they've talked to and the information they've got, that Josh Rosen would be the guy."

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

And now Mayziel didn't study the Chargers playbook?? WTF do fans think he is going to study the Jets. He is going to be such a bust in top 5. Please Jets take Rosen or any other QB.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

maybe i'm old school, but i don't like an offense which exposes my QB to more injury. given mayfield is already undersized, the risk of injury from having him run the ball more often increases in a RPO.

i also don't like pigeonholing an offense to suit a single player. let's say they convert the offense for him and he gets hurt. then what? are mccown, a gimpy bridgewater or hack suited to run the RPO? do we then flip the playbook back to a more traditional offense?

Baker is not a good enough athlete to run that successfully in the NFL.

 

[AFA2017]

And now Mayziel didn't study the Chargers playbook?? WTF do fans think he is going to study the Jets. He is going to be such a bust in top 5. Please Jets take Rosen or any other QB.

Mac will end up taking the worst QB of the 4. What can I say, "Its a Jet thing"

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Mac will end up taking the worst QB of the 4. What can I say, "Its a Jet thing"

I believe the same thing.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

And now Mayziel didn't study the Chargers playbook?? WTF do fans think he is going to study the Jets. He is going to be such a bust in top 5. Please Jets take Rosen or any other QB.

Do you have any idea how NON STOP this process is for these kids, flying all over the country, working out for team after team, being asked to learn all of their playbooks? Sure, gotta do it, put yourself thru hell, if you don't know you are a TOP 12 lock (no way in hell he gets past the Dolphins and Bills at 11 and 12), but I can't blame him for saying I can't learn another playbook when there's not a snowballs chance in hell I'm falling to 17. Honestly, in his position, I wouldn't either. At some point you have to say enough is enough. What, should he learn all 32 playbooks too? C'mon, you gotta be a little bit fair.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

And now I see this douche with his shirt off and those stupid headbands. CIRCUS!! Thats all that will happen when he comes to the Jets. Jets will never change.