Cheatahs not getting along?

[cheaterhater]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...gland-patriots-yet-commit-playing-2018-season

G. you can put this wherever you think it should go but just for the controversy of it , I had to put it somewhere.

Maybe there is some truth to see problems in Cheatahland. If not, this at least gives some ammo for it. After the first video, if you wait for the next, there are 4 or 5 of interest.

I always wanted to match what these assholes have done for the past 20 years. Since the probability of that is less than zero, I hate to admit that I will now settle for an end to there dominance

Don't know if anyone saw this from ESPN the magazine. They ranked the top players in sports all time maybe? I'm not sure what because I only saw the brady and Manning articles, but Peyton Manning came in at #3 and brady was #20 because of the team and coaching that has been around him for 20 years. I have always felt this way. glad to see a magazine from cheatah territory no less, feels the same way. I did read the segments about brady and Manning and it was kind of funny because not much was said about brady but whoever wrote about Peyton seemed to like him a lot while the brady writer was pretty short

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I can’t stand Brady, either.

But he’s one of the greatest football players of all time. And it’s not even debatable IMO. His stats are downright stupid. Best QB ever. He’s singlehandedly won games for the Pats.

 

[cheaterhater]

see, everyone thinks that because I don't like him that I don't agree that he's great. Sure he's great but he is a product of a great system as is stated in the video. look at his first 6 or 7(sarcasm) superbowl wins. Vinitieri kicks a field goal to win the superbowl and brady is a hero. Heck, in the first one the Rams even kicked off out of bounds giving him a short field.
or the later superbowls, Butler, int, brady hero. Atlanta offense forgets how to play for an entire half, brady hero. or this past year when he lost the superbowl by dropping a pass and fumbling the only time he was touched.
On that team, as stated in the video, everyone steps up in the big game. The oline allows no one near brady on game winning drives. whichever receiver is on the team at the time, makes the most incredible catches and yards after catch on game winning drives. gronkowski? enough said. Heck, Wes Welker dropped a tuff catch that he had made 1000 times before and just because he didn't makeitg 1001 Giselle sent him packing the next year... and last year we found out that Giselle was right. her tommy can't throw the ball and catch it too

the argument in the video and ESPN magazine, is someone else stating what I have always said.

the other point that I use for my argument is :
Matt Cassel 11-5
Brissett/Garopallo 3-1

for a total of 14-6 by unknowns playing for the first time in bradys place. That has to make a good argument. How many times have the Jets had a span of 14-6 in their history

Manning went to and won a superbowl on another team

Montana just missed bringing the Chiefs to a superbowl at the end of his career and most of his greatness came after disc surgery, which at that time was a big deal

brady's great but not the greatest. easy enough to argue either way though

but anyway, I actually meant to bring the hope of some turmoil to the cheatahs with this post more so than to argue about brady. Espn has him at #20 and Peyton at #3 does fuel my brady argument though

being the greatest, however, shouldn't just be measured on the field but off the field too. Peyton is a great guy and brady , based on the drawing, might be the guy who threatened Stormy Daniels

And Peytons commercials are way better...

 

[butterscotch]

Lets face it he is great.....great at cheating also......But the best of all time hell no...Montana maybe but he is in the top 15

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Asking a bunch of die hard Jets fans their opinion on Tom Brady is the equivalent of asking the Tea Party what they thought of Obama, or MoveOn.org what they think of Trump.

You’re going to get way more emotion, than sound analysis.

(And NO, this doesn’t mean let’s have a political debate!)

 

[NewMFS62]

Asking a bunch of die hard Jets fans their opinion on Tom Brady is the equivalent of asking the Tea Party what they thought of Obama, or MoveOn.org what they think of Trump.

The analogy I like to use is asking my wife what she thinks about my girlfriend.
But, you're right.
I grudgingly (*and jealously) say he's one of the all-time greats. And I've seen watching pro football since the 1950's. He may play in a great system, but he was never surrounded by many all-pro players. He is like the great point guard who makes the players around him better. And you'd be hard pressed to find a more die-hard Jets fan than I am.

But it is also true about his coach.
Like they used to say about Bear Bryant "he could take his and beat yours, then he could take yours and beat his".

Later

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

The analogy I like to use is asking my wife what she thinks about my girlfriend.
But, you're right.
I grudgingly (*and jealously) say he's one of the all-time greats. And I've seen watching pro football since the 1950's. He may play in a great system, but he was never surrounded by many all-pro players. He is like the great point guard who makes the players around him better. And you'd be hard pressed to find a more die-hard Jets fan than I am.

But it is also true about his coach.
Like they used to say about Bear Bryant "he could take his and beat yours, then he could take yours and beat his".

Later

You won’t find another Jets fan who despises the Patriots more than me. That includes football deflator man and the Evil Genius.

But Brady is still King Ding-a-ling. It’s like poison coming out of my mouth. But it’s true nonetheless.

 

[cheaterhater]

Look. I don't like giving Belichick credit for anything. He screwed the Jets. I don't like giving Brady credit for anything. He mocks the Jets. But if I had to pick which one would have won without the other, and I'm talking going back 20 years and putting Brady on a team not coached by belichick. I say Belichick is a winner. Brady is retired.

Matt Cassel in his first shot at playing quarterback went 11-5. If it's not the system, explain that. Furthermore, if the outcome of the jet/dolphin game on the last game of that season had been different, Matt Cassel would have gone to the playoffs , And who knows? Maybe the superbowl.

Again, if it's not the system explain that. What has Cassel done since? The only other span without brady went 3-1 and taking away injuries to garapollo and brisset, probably would have been 4-0

Again, no t saying Brady sucks. Just saying based on the evidence, it's not hard to win in that system

Belichick is more responsible for the winning then Brady in my opinion
??????

 

[cheaterhater]

Then again, if you take away the cheating, I'm betting a lot of wins go away with it

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Belichick comes from a defensive background. And he’s had numerous OC’s since he’s been there. What’s this “system” you speak of?

Add Cassell to the list of one hit wonder QB’s of years past: Elvis Grbac, Derek Anderson, Rob Johnson, Rick Mirer... all guys who had quick flashes of greatness in the NFL followed by their inevitable downward spiral.

To quote Denny Green, “they are who we thought they were!!!!!”

 

[AFA2017]

Belichick was and still might be a defensive genius. Without Brady, Belichick's Patriots are good not great at best.

 

[cheaterhater]

Belichick comes from a defensive background. And he’s had numerous OC’s since he’s been there. What’s this “system” you speak of?

Add Cassell to the list of one hit wonder QB’s of years past: Elvis Grbac, Derek Anderson, Rob Johnson, Rick Mirer... all guys who had quick flashes of greatness in the NFL followed by their inevitable downward spiral.

To quote Denny Green, “they are who we thought they were!!!!!”

What system? Do you ever read anything about this team? They call it the patriot way. yes they come and go and they all do what belichick tells them to do They have a way of doing things that is different than anybody else. You do what your told and keep your mouth shut. Just about any player that has left this team for greener pastures has not played as well for his new team. the only exception that I can think of is Wes Welker and he went to play with Peyton. Maybe Talib? Also went to play with Peyton albeit o defense.

Look at coaches who left. Romeo Crennel, Charlie Weiss, members of the spy gate superbowls. How'd they fair? Josh McDaniels left and failed and then came back. Belichick is the mastermind behind this team. After Belichick , or maybe equal to his importance is Dante Scarnechia the guy who builds the offensive lines that give brady 10 seconds to throw. He was so important that after he retired the offensive line immediately declined so much that belichick convinced him to un retire. Up until midway thru the 4th quarter in this past superbowl, Brady was TOUCHED ONCE while he still had the ball and he fumbled. If there was a stat for percentage of qb hits where the qb fumbled brady would lead the league in that too

yes he's mounted incredible comebacks an incredible number of times but every one of those comebacks, he had an incredible amount of time to throw, and he had incredibly wide-open receivers making incredible catches and running for an incredible amount of yards after catch. the system.

 

[butterscotch]

The analogy I like to use is asking my wife what she thinks about my girlfriend.
But, you're right.
I grudgingly (*and jealously) say he's one of the all-time greats. And I've seen watching pro football since the 1950's. He may play in a great system, but he was never surrounded by many all-pro players. He is like the great point guard who makes the players around him better. And you'd be hard pressed to find a more die-hard Jets fan than I am.

But it is also true about his coach.
Like they used to say about Bear Bryant "he could take his and beat yours, then he could take yours and beat his".

Later

I hate to say this but you have just been demoted . :global (14): lol

 

[cheaterhater]

Belichick was and still might be a defensive genius. Without Brady, Belichick's Patriots are good not great at best.

how about if brady were drafted by the buffalo bills, cleveland Browns, NY Jets or any number of other cruddy teams? would bradys team be better or would Belichicks team be better?

belichick went to a patriot team that still had plenty of guys in place from when Parcells was there. He took with him, a good number of coaches from Parcells Jets staff, and by year 2 Had almost a dozen Jet players that had played with him under Parcells added to his Patriot team. Based on this, I'd bet that belichick would have had the better team then whichever team brady played for

 

[cheaterhater]

and for the record, the spy gate superbowls were won by the cheatahs defense and vinitieri, more so then brady. and Malcomb Butler won the Seattle superbowl and Atlanta lost that superbowl

 

[butterscotch]

Asking a bunch of die hard Jets fans their opinion on Tom Brady is the equivalent of asking the Tea Party what they thought of Obama, or MoveOn.org what they think of Trump.

You’re going to get way more emotion, than sound analysis.

(And NO, this doesn’t mean let’s have a political debate!)

Look I call a spade a spade so that statement is not true of everyone that is a Jet fan He is great but IMO with the cheating & other things he is not the best

As a Cardinal fan I agree with the above too

 

[cheaterhater]

but anyway, we can argue until we are blue in the face over who is more important belichick or brady. I pointed out that the ESPN Magazine article ranked Peyton at #3 and brady at #20 and the reason for that was the same reason that I have said for years. Doesn't make me and ESPN right or anybody who says brady is the greatest right.

The point of my original post was to show that there might actually be some truth to the brady, belichick, kraft rift. Listen to what Amendola says about the patriot way after leaving. It's no fun to play for but you have a shot at a ring every year is essentially what he says

 

[butterscotch]

but anyway, we can argue until we are blue in the face over who is more important belichick or brady. I pointed out that the ESPN Magazine article ranked Peyton at #3 and brady at #20 and the reason for that was the same reason that I have said for years. Doesn't make me and ESPN right or anybody who says brady is the greatest right.

The point of my original post was to show that there might actually be some truth to the brady, belichick, kraft rift. Listen to what Amendola says about the patriot way after leaving. It's no fun to play for but you have a shot at a ring every year is essentially what he says

Ch you are right there may be 50 great QB's of all time he is one of them. I can just see him in the 68 game vs oakland he would not have made it out of the first quarter

 

[cheaterhater]

Belichick comes from a defensive background. And he’s had numerous OC’s since he’s been there. What’s this “system” you speak of?

Add Cassell to the list of one hit wonder QB’s of years past: Elvis Grbac, Derek Anderson, Rob Johnson, Rick Mirer... all guys who had quick flashes of greatness in the NFL followed by their inevitable downward spiral.

To quote Denny Green, “they are who we thought they were!!!!!”

Curious D'Brick, what do you think the patriots record would have been 2 seasons ago if brady had not come back from suspension and Jimmy G had finished out the season? and keep in mind the lousy teams in the AFC that Jimmy would have been beating up on when coming up with that record.

then, watch a handful of random patriot games, pretend you are one of the broadcasters, and count how many times when brady is on offense that you would be able to describe the play by saying... "Plenty of time.... wide open... what a great catch!" before you blow my off on this, give that a try. He was not touched while he had the ball in this past superbowl until the 4th quarter and he fumbled. That kind of protection is normal for him. And he has no mobility don't forget. Some guys go untouched because they are mobile. Mobile is one word that will never be used by anyone to describe brady

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

If by “system QB” you mean relying on Brady to make near perfect throws on timing patterns to his receivers, then yeah, I guess he’s part of a system. And I don’t know of too many QB’s who do it better than him.

Garoppolo has turned out to be a probable FQB for SF. What that tells me is that a few people in NE’s scouting dept really know how to do their jobs. He’s not doing it in a system solely based on some “Patriot way”, either. He’s doing it somewhere else.

Look, it’s fine to disagree about this. I’m not letting my Jets fandom cloud my perception of Brady. I’ve watched Brady knife us in the back enough times over the years to recognize him as a great QB. Is he douchey? Sure. Did he deflate some footballs before that playoff game? Sure. But the stat sheet and the eye ball tests don’t lie.